Topic: Cabalism13's Merit Source Application (Read 1008 times)

Exactly. Boards that doesn't make a requests should be left alone for they' re already don't need anything except for moderation of spam and garbage posts.
I have seen the number of Merit Sources in the Merit Stats, it's 100+ and we definitely don't feel those Sources on our Board

What's this guy's deal @btcsmlcmnr, it's left for the local boards that don't have merit sources or moderators as you say to come forth and apply. You don't attack the boards that have showed interest in requesting for a source or more source just because you feel others don't have. You don't get what you don't asked for. (I believe they're not interested that's why they haven't asked). Beside the allocation of merit to local boards merit sources aren't that huge to make an impact that's why the need for more sources isn't a bad idea on those boards. The local boards that are comfortable aren't complaining like Russia.

This is not right.
It's no one's fault if they want to stick to their Mother tongue. It's not a must that everyone must know or use English. People have different views and perspectives on their languages and cultures, and so we much respect them the way they are.

Well, humans are born with laziness, and yeah it definitely worths our time, but still we have to consider some of them who really can't. There are people who can be described as slow learner and that also makes them lazy to learn.

Other people should understand that not all users here can definitely do what we can even if they die trying their isn't a perfect one who can do all things. Making some adjustments isn't that bad as long as we can help the community to its development and to make it grow as a large group.

We understand that not all boards has a Mod or Source but still this is somewhat one of the reasons on why local members aren't joining into discussions, they feel that its just useless for nobody will notice their sides even if they join on some hot threads. Its just a sad thing that not all boards doesn't have these things.

I don't say more merit sources will always create positive net-effects. It depends on quality of merit sources and their works after becoming merit sources, besides situation in their local boards (abusement levels). If in their local boards, there are extreme abusements, merit sources in such boards have more works to do in order to fullfil their tasks as merit sources: Help good users to rank up, whilst prevent bad users to abuse and rank up.
I have known that the admin can revert abused merits from sources or from several users (one or two times, as I remembered). However, such cases are unexpected ones, both for admin and for the forum.
Let's return to the local board merit sources:
- Think widely a little bit: How many merit sources in total we have now?
It is obviously their faults, due to their laziness. It is always easier to stick with the first languages, learning and using second languages are harder, but it worths our time, especially with the International language like English. How locals can read news as in real-time as possible without English? I meant, they can wait for hours or even days later to see original news translated into their first languages by someone in their local community or in their nations. It's too late in crypto, if they are news-hunters, so they have to know English, enough to read.
The Fit to Talk English project
TMAN'S guide to getting merit.

Definitely supporting Cabalism13's merit source application, he is one if not the most active member the Philippine's local board contributing as much knowledge as he can on every post he make in the local board. Besides that him and crwth have started a charity event in the forum which the funds goes directly for the purposes of helping the needy in our country he also documents it with photos on how the day went with them. Making Cabalism13 who is an active member in the local board a merit source would definitely boost the activity there.

I guess using that words on the highlighted format would be rude. In fact, this is not all about creativity and uniqueness, they surely might lack of knowledge but what now? Atleast they have given their shot unto that, Efforts are not meant to be wasted. Besides not all translated topics does get Merits or acceptable to the public, just like what I have said, it is within my own discretion for I have picked those and which is considered to be good.

Filipino are a bit lazy when it comes to understanding other languages. And the fact that they want it in our own language, I guess that would be fine as long as the source has been included to the OP.

Local Boards doesn't have to be unique, its all about discussion and interactions between users coming from the same country, translated topics are also Valid in my case for not all of us can understamd english very well. So it is not really JUST, and regarding on those locked topics, if you weren't able to open it again then I guess it is only applicable to make a new thread for discussion.

If we see something that doesn't have any purpose Report to the Moderator will be the best solution.
My main purpose for these application is to award them for bringing up a topic that is meant to have a serious discussion, as long as its all about Bitcoin, Blockchain etc. Users that have made an effort that has enough quality, awarding them with few gifts will be fine.

P.S. Users will only get an easy Merit if the Source was a faulty one. Then again, in my case it would be not easy.

Ok, thanks for pointing out the locked board I was not aware of.

On the topic of “nationalism”, we can’t really have it both ways. If local boards have merits sources, or in its absence, people with meriting capabilities from their own earned merits, then they should award part of their merits there, and those that are circumscribed to the local boards will logically receive and send their merits within the local board.

On my local board, the “nationalism” phenomenon does not really apply. Spanish is the official language in around 20 different countries, with over 460M speakers. With those numbers, our local board is well underdeveloped in regards to its potential.
 
What does happen is that there is a reduced bunch of posters that regularly provide decent content there, and since the core number of competitors is small, they have good chances of being merited (providing one of the merit sources is around). On the other hand, they are likely to be merited in low amounts, as large number (above two or three merits) are barely seen there, and meriting straks are rather small there (the record there is being merited 5 days in a row).

In my case, I merit based on content that enhances the local board, so if that is not met in the posts I read, then posts will go unmerited, with no favour to them for the fact of being a local board. I’ve only awarded 18,72% of my sMerits to my local board, so clearly I oversee the board, but do not just focus on it solely.

I think he meant this board: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/vit-vietnamese-60101. It was locked due to high level of spam in the pre-merit era. Not sure why it's not unlocked yet. However, I partly agree with him on merting may become shady or at least much easier in local boards due to "nationalism" (maybe a little bit exaggerated). See this drama: Massive abuse in the Russian section.

Unfortunately I have no local board and I'm taking part in the "ranking virtual game" alone. So I can get Btcsmlcmnr's point. He just doesn't wants his opponents have so many advatages over him in that game.

Another merit source application from the Philippines and it's a good way to have initiative and confidence to apply for this position. Like what we're saying, it's really hard and you must be responsible for every action you will do. Regarding the 10 posts that should be merited, some of them were just translated into Filipino language, lack of creativity and ideas especially the first one, how to learn BBcodes. I manage to create my own tutorial about BBcodes in our local and it was locked long ago by our moderators (and the reason is still unknown and still hoping for the answers), and that tutorial was simplified and I made my own signature to show that I have the creativity and legitimately know the knowledge about BBcodes, my source is also roslinpl. If those merits will be just given away to those translated topics, people will get merits easily. Those kinds of people will just seek for ultimate threads that will be translated into our language.

I'm still waiting for @crwth's merit application and hoping for him to be a merit source someday because of he/she already marked a name on our local since then. Still, hoping for you and crwth to be a merit source, our local board needed a merit source because of the people of the community, they have the potential to grow so we should give some motivation to continue. It's us to give them hope and be remarkable in our local board. gl

I don’t get what you mean by a locked board …

More merit sources do no create issues, but rather open the possibility to a more diverse merit awarding criteria and extent. Although naturally supervising local board merit assignment is language limited, the whole Merit System has an inherent amount of assigned trust given to the Merit Sources. If any of them go rouge, eventually they will be spotted, even if on a local board level (and sMerit TXs can be reverted by admin if need be). The possibility of a Merit Source going rouge is a lesser evil in comparison to merit going scarce, and not being awarded on local boards, which will only drive their numbers down. After all, like it or not, merit is part of the ranking scheme, and people like to rank for whatever personal reason they may have. It’s all a virtual game, but most people are into it.

Granted that English is centrepiece of society today, but it is not the sole essence of growth. That’s why international corporations take into account local markets and tailor the products to their culture and habits. Not everything is about being global, and I would rather see additional complementary strengthened local boards around. Besides, many countries still fall short in mastering English well enough to post with reasonable confidence and not end up making a veil attempt at it.

If only … that is how I’m sure the original plan was devised. I can assure you that if my local board were to lack merit sources, the number of weekly awarded sMerits would be measly, and people would certainly never rank-up. Since merit and ranks are incentives, the lack of them would certainly show with poorer content and participation.

How about people who come from locked boards? This is disadvantage for them, and reasons caused locked boards maybe not come from them. It's not fair for them, but they have to accept it. Personally, I think that more merit sources only create issues, not solve issues. All mods can check everything written in English (because English is international language), but with local languages, things become more shady.
People should simply contribute, enjoy their contributions, then they  will naturally get their merits, for their good posts. It does not matter that there are 0, 1 or 10 merit sources in their local boards. Nowadays, modern people should know English, at least enough to read and write. So, it's enough to join global discussions in the forum. Global means, beyond their local boards.

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Having local boards in the forum already a advantage for those guys. They can do something more easily than others. When they see excellent topics, they translated them into their local languages, posted translated topics in their local boards. I don't say their works are unconstructive, but their works (translation) actually much more easily than original authors of those topics they choose to translate. Merits are not scarce (for good posts), even in local boards there are so many people hold their smerits. If someone make good posts, they will certainly have chance to receive merits in their local boards, from their locals.

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In a summary, I think they should not complain too much about lack of merit sources in local boards. Keep contributing, then they will all fine, with or without merit sources in their local boards.

Due to an undeniable changes on our board, I request to grant us one active Merit Source to award users who truly deserves it, I think everybody has the right to rank up as long as he/she is worthy. Without a Source we will soon be having a Merit/Rank-Up Barrier in our Local Board, for not all of us can gain Merits everyday.

Gonna put this thread up on the list for I will take this chance to take a lead, where I will guide my fellow users on that board to the betterment of themselves to the best that I can.

I'm with you on this one.

The local board of the Philippines has become more active as users begin to share tips, guides, and techniques in our respective community, well thanks to your contribution. In other words, you lit the fire that inspired more people to share their own expertise on each subject.

I am hoping that this merit application will be granted sometime in the near future for continuous help and support to all our kababayan!

Thank you for all of the support,even though I still have so much more to prove, until the admin here me out. I guess having so many supporters isn't enough and for what I'm seeing DdmrDdmr is right when we have some conversation via PM lately.

But still I will leave this application open for the sake of my Local Board. I just hope even our Mods can support us with this, even if its not me, as long as we can have an active Merit Source that would be fine for me.

If only I have some more sMerits to spend I may have already awarded the mentioned posts. Or simply, Merit Source can already give them 1-2 Merits for I really find them worthy of having Merits. Thank You Everybody, and Good Day!

You have my support cabalism   

Reasons:
- I do always focus on your opinions when surfing the forum, which shows the high level of knowledge and smartness you have. I can confirm that you are a good forum user, helpful, and kind.
- I guess the majority of local boards need more merit sources, especially those having increased activity. In my local board (Arabic), we had always discuss this issue, as we have just one active merit source, AFAIK.

Even I can't understand the content of the chosen posts, but it's clear how much efforts and time have been consumed, and deserve more merit reward.

Good luck with your application, Fella.

All the best cabalism.

That's ok, whenever Theymos want to appoint one , he knows about the interested users.

The truth be said about threads and replies which deserved attention from merit sources aren't deserving as it alt to be, which is the basic concern of many applicants for merit source. My concern is that, Admin has not yet given any answer to older application on the forum of which some are 3-5Months old. Although with your activeness on the forum, this may prompt the Admin to accept your application in a short distance time.

 For now, Congratulation for a potential Merit Source in the making, see you at the top.

One of the most active on our local board and the one who initiate to create a charity to help people in need, so i think you deserve to become a merit source and your application is on point. Though there’s no guaranteed for this one but i think its good to have a merit source on every board so those deserving thread will receive merit, let’s wait for the call of theymos, may the odds be on your favor.

Although I am not able to judge your quoted thread but look like OP picked few good post which is deserving more merit in my opinion. There are few more pending application but seems admin isn't encourage to add more merit source lately. My application still pending from more than six months. But I believe in order to build a emphatic forum we need more merit source since merits are decaying day by day. In that point I believe, admin should add more merit source.

Anyway, I am supporting OP, although still I am on waiting list.

You got my support,
I think we need an even merit source distribution through all boards though I doubt Theymos is willing add any more merit sources any time soon.
I watched you start off in the forum and look where you are.
Good luck with your application.

Having visited your local board personally numerous times due to my post getting translated & reference I have to support any application coming from the board. You guys truly need an active merit source or even sources. Although I was of the suggestion (as stated in the last thread) getting a permission from theymos for an in-house election would had solved this issue faster. But anyways good luck to you guys.

As for your application, i support you due to the fact I have watched you grow your account to the snr member rank and i must say anyone who have achieve such milestone deserve some credits. I can't understand must of the post though I believe they must be quality ones as personally you have delivered some quality post yourself and it takes one to know one.

Good luck on your application, you need it just as I do (the luck).

As someone who always lurks in the Philippines local section, I know for a fact that merits aren't really going around in there, and there really are posts worth meriting that didn't receive any, at all. I think it's about time that the said local section have its own merit source, granted that it will not be abused and merits would only be awarded to those that deserve it.

Also, reading the posts you have cross-linked in here, I can say that they are informative and helpful and should really get some merits. I think I might have to start awarding merits now as I only am the reader type and always have something to do on most times.