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Nihil impunitum
January 20, 2019, 02:01:20 PM
We took our first steps

You still have users in your trust list that seem to be there just to spite Lauda and/or TMAN. For example cryptohunter. I can't fathom why anyone would trust the forum clown's judgement, and I suspect that you're not really familiar with that user.
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First, following theymos I have all right to set up my own DT0

Second, I was painted by Lauda for discussions on DT1 in Russian section which is not against   theymos support of
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 think/talk/strategize about how trust lists affect DT1 selection....
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Third, got so bad, attempting to strike a balance I had to  build my own DT0 you addressed.

Forth, as proof of my goodwill I have removed all my  retaliatory neg comments relevant to Lauda, but he/she did not react so far.

Fifth, after her adequate response I will correct my DT0 leaving over there probably theymos and myself as my range of interests limited solely to technique.


 
hero member
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Nihil impunitum
January 20, 2019, 12:16:51 PM

I think they also expect really action from some DT members.
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We took our first steps. From the side of TMAN we would expect him admitted that like himself we have all rights to

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 think/talk/strategize about how trust lists affect DT1 selection....
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hero member
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Nihil impunitum
January 20, 2019, 06:42:05 AM
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Feedback doesn't show on the local boards currently..

discussion on this matter has already started, #193 and all below

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 eliminating the current members on DT and setting your own list would just result in previously tagged scammers and spammers not showing up with any feedback in the English section of the forum. Are you going to go through the thousands of valid feedback to tag all those under your own system ?
You won't have the benefit of valid warnings.

This needs some cool heads and good negotiators.

Well, then, I know u have, but why Lauda, TMAN, suchmoon and so on don't have DefaultTrust entry and adjusted their DT0 to their needs? Is that their heads are not cool?
hero member
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Nihil impunitum
January 20, 2019, 03:53:29 AM
Looks like Lauda crushes current  DT1 members thus the only option for us is to set up DT0 centred exclusively on Russian community. theymos should be there for sure. Going to disseminate this notion all around Russians threads.
legendary
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January 20, 2019, 02:47:25 PM
I think your reds regarding "conspiracy" should be removed. Exclusion is enough to deal with someone like you.

But I would like you to explain this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23200821
Where is this post? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bountyico-bitspark-launches-project-zephyr-bounty-campaign-2170345
And did you threaten someone via PM?



i'm locking this thread now - but as Peloso is not Russian I am sure this needs it own thread and will not infringe on the new peace treaty we are working on
legendary
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January 20, 2019, 02:43:30 PM



i look it https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23200821
and what?

Exclusion is enough to deal with someone like you.

Everyone should tag this individual, whilst my stance moved with regards to the Russian community - this user is not from Russia and from my understanding is the local cryptohunter.

wow! Everyone should tag me cos i not from Russia?  you realy sick
legendary
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January 20, 2019, 02:38:32 PM
Exclusion is enough to deal with someone like you.

Everyone should tag this individual, whilst my stance moved with regards to the Russian community - this user is not from Russia and from my understanding is the local cryptohunter.
legendary
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January 20, 2019, 02:35:28 PM

I don't dispute your right to set up a custom list. Everyone who's been on this forum for a while should consider doing that.

realy? so why im red?

I think your reds regarding "conspiracy" should be removed. Exclusion is enough to deal with someone like you.

But I would like you to explain this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23200821
Where is this post? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bountyico-bitspark-launches-project-zephyr-bounty-campaign-2170345
And did you threaten someone via PM?

legendary
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January 20, 2019, 02:29:00 PM

I don't dispute your right to set up a custom list. Everyone who's been on this forum for a while should consider doing that.

realy? so why im red?
legendary
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January 20, 2019, 02:20:45 PM
Fifth, after her adequate response I will correct my DT0 leaving over there probably theymos and myself as my range of interests limited solely to technique.

Fair enough, that's a reasonable way of doing it if you're not trading and not interested in the red/green colors.

I don't dispute your right to set up a custom list. Everyone who's been on this forum for a while should consider doing that.
legendary
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January 20, 2019, 02:08:15 PM


First, following theymos I have all right to set up my own DT0

Second, I was painted by Lauda for discussions on DT1 in Russian section which is not against   theymos support of
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 think/talk/strategize about how trust lists affect DT1 selection....
....

Third, got so bad, attempting to strike a balance I had to  build my own DT0 you addressed.

Forth, as proof of my goodwill I have removed all my  retaliatory neg comments relevant to Lauda, but he/she did not react so far.

Fifth, after her adequate response I will correct my DT0 leaving over there probably theymos and myself as my range of interests limited solely to technique.


 

Your negatives have no consequence other than to annoy, your trust lists are important what is so hard to understand?
legendary
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January 20, 2019, 01:18:36 PM
We took our first steps

You still have users in your trust list that seem to be there just to spite Lauda and/or TMAN. For example cryptohunter. I can't fathom why anyone would trust the forum clown's judgement, and I suspect that you're not really familiar with that user.


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January 20, 2019, 10:57:01 AM
I’m encouraged by what I am reading.

Taikuri13 is also removed from my exclusion list. I don’t have time to go through the thread properly right now, but I feel 2 olive branches from me should be enough to kick this off properly

It would work well towards further goodwill to remove some of the neg feedbacks where goodwill has been shown. I've had some very positive private conversations.

Fair point. Removed from taikuri, the tags against the 2 lunatics are staying for now though.

So I have been more than fair here, let’s see some action from these guys, removing untrusted feedback from me isn’t really action

I think they also expect really action from some DT members. I don't know what kind of action. I always help forum but the whole last year has been unfairly accused by DT member. Actmyname recently removed neg feedback from me. You call removing feedback "isn't really action". I'm for fair play. And you? In your opinion, who and how should compensate me this incident?
legendary
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January 20, 2019, 09:17:08 AM
I’m encouraged by what I am reading.

Taikuri13 is also removed from my exclusion list. I don’t have time to go through the thread properly right now, but I feel 2 olive branches from me should be enough to kick this off properly

It would work well towards further goodwill to remove some of the neg feedbacks where goodwill has been shown. I've had some very positive private conversations.

Fair point. Removed from taikuri, the tags against the 2 lunatics are staying for now though.

So I have been more than fair here, let’s see some action from these guys, removing untrusted feedback from me isn’t really action
legendary
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January 20, 2019, 09:12:51 AM
I’m encouraged by what I am reading.

Taikuri13 is also removed from my exclusion list. I don’t have time to go through the thread properly right now, but I feel 2 olive branches from me should be enough to kick this off properly

It would work well towards further goodwill to remove some of the neg feedbacks where goodwill has been shown. I've had some very positive private conversations.
legendary
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January 20, 2019, 08:27:37 AM
I’m encouraged by what I am reading.

Taikuri13 is also removed from my exclusion list. I don’t have time to go through the thread properly right now, but I feel 2 olive branches from me should be enough to kick this off properly
legendary
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January 20, 2019, 08:23:57 AM
This is very encouraging stuff:

И мы нe дoлжны зaбывaть, чтo oт этoй cитyaции в выигpышe ceйчac тoлькo мoшeнники и cкaммepы. Кoтopыe c yлыбкoй нaблюдaют зa этими cпopaми.
Translation: This situation is only benefiting scammers and criminals, who are happy when we argue amongst ourselves.

Дaвaйтe тoгдa нaчнeм фopмиpoвaть cпиcoк c тeм, чтo бecпoкoит нac, чтoбы Aлeкcy былo o чeм гoвopить.

Я бы пpeдлoжил "oткaтить" вcю этy cитyaцию к cocтoянию 13 янвapя и нaчaть диaлoг зaнoвo.
Translation: Let's make a list of issues for Alex to start discussing. Let's roll back everything to 13th January and start over.

я coвeтyю вceм пpoявить знaк дoбpoй вoли и yбpaть cвoю oтвeткy.
Translation: I advise everyone to a sign of show goodwill and remove their ratings.

I would commend you all for approaching this as you have done. I think your ideas are a great first step - lets wipe the slate clean, remove all our ratings on each other, and have the Russian community come up with some ideas/issues they would like addressed to bring forward. Following this, we can hopefully have a constructive conversation - after all, we are all on the same side.

You’re a breath of fresh air here on btctalk buddy. Must admit your influence is growing & I do really enjoy what you add.

Keep up the good work man.

There are 2 threads to sort this without all the nonsense from the immature posters, one in rep and one here, this is not an us v them this is about protecting the forum members who don’t know better.



Likewise TMAN, very mature & good negotiating.
legendary
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January 20, 2019, 08:21:12 AM
This is very encouraging stuff:

И мы нe дoлжны зaбывaть, чтo oт этoй cитyaции в выигpышe ceйчac тoлькo мoшeнники и cкaммepы. Кoтopыe c yлыбкoй нaблюдaют зa этими cпopaми.
Translation: This situation is only benefiting scammers and criminals, who are happy when we argue amongst ourselves.

Дaвaйтe тoгдa нaчнeм фopмиpoвaть cпиcoк c тeм, чтo бecпoкoит нac, чтoбы Aлeкcy былo o чeм гoвopить.

Я бы пpeдлoжил "oткaтить" вcю этy cитyaцию к cocтoянию 13 янвapя и нaчaть диaлoг зaнoвo.
Translation: Let's make a list of issues for Alex to start discussing. Let's roll back everything to 13th January and start over.

я coвeтyю вceм пpoявить знaк дoбpoй вoли и yбpaть cвoю oтвeткy.
Translation: I advise everyone to a sign of show goodwill and remove their ratings.

I would commend you all for approaching this as you have done. I think your ideas are a great first step - lets wipe the slate clean, remove all our ratings on each other, and have the Russian community come up with some ideas/issues they would like addressed to bring forward. Following this, we can hopefully have a constructive conversation - after all, we are all on the same side.
legendary
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January 20, 2019, 07:43:31 AM
There are 2 threads to sort this without all the nonsense from the immature posters, one in rep and one here, this is not an us v them this is about protecting the forum members who don’t know better.

legendary
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฿ear ride on the rainbow slide
January 20, 2019, 07:37:14 AM
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Feedback doesn't show on the local boards currently..

discussion on this matter has already started, #193 and all below

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 eliminating the current members on DT and setting your own list would just result in previously tagged scammers and spammers not showing up with any feedback in the English section of the forum. Are you going to go through the thousands of valid feedback to tag all those under your own system ?
You won't have the benefit of valid warnings.

This needs some cool heads and good negotiators.

Well, then, I know u have, but why Lauda, TMAN, suchmoon and so on don't have DefaultTrust entry and adjusted their DT0 to their needs? Is that their heads are not cool?

I have always found Suchmoon to be reasonable and approachable. When I spoke to Suchmoon recently indicated a very different view than before.


A simple way forward is to support the "good guys" and there are plenty of those in the Russian community. Support may be as simple as not excluding/red-trusting the good guys or countering existing exclusions/red trust. If you're not sure - and unless you speak passable Russian or have MANY HOURS to spend with multiple translation tools and talk to English-speaking Russians then you can't be sure - please simply take yourself out of the debate and don't act with exclusions or red trust. I have contacted numerous users over the last couple of days trying to explain this simple concept but it is unsurprisingly very difficult to do so when the debate is being fueled by emotions or perhaps even malice.



the community is indignant

I believe this is way too broad. If you have some basis for this I'd like to know. I have a different opinion after spending some time on the Russian board over the last few days. There is certainly some resentment about some of the recent actions targeting Russian members, which is why I believe it would make sense to reverse or counter-act them. That could get a reasonable conversation started.

We can't and won't get everyone to love us. They have their own Quicksellers. But we need to be reasonably consistent at the very least. Talking about DT inclusions/exclusions is not a crime over here and it should be a crime when it's done over there. Same with being misguided/misinformed/mistaken - there are many Russian users who'd be happy to learn but sadly we're paying attention to loudmouths for obvious reasons.

I don't know TMAN and Lauda well. I believe they tend to be a bit feisty but they have also tagged hundreds of scams. In this case I believe they have made a mistake - but that is my opinion.

Some of it I covered here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49327580

There is also a thread about it over here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49328469

I'd like to think this can be de-escalated and constructive discussion to take place with the view of a satisfactory resolution. I understand that some people have been insulted by what has occurred but I would like people to concentrate on a resolution rather than a confrontation.




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