Topic: California lealised Pot for recreational use (Read 1289 times)

Look how many people die because they do not have the medication they need. I for one support legalized Marijuana. It does have medicinal benefits which work.

This is true. We can tell because look at how many people die from legalized medical drugs every year... hundreds of thousands.

We don't have control over our kids. The schools, peers, popular culture, and social media apps do.

Also we don't have control over our kids when we divorce and the kids live with the former spouse.

Do you have teenagers now? Experience is the best teacher.


I'd be cool with making alcohol entirely illegal for minors except if provided by the parent of the kids for consumption under their parents' supervision. I'd be happy to make smoking entirely illegal for everyone.

Kids caught drinking outside of supervision would be subject to 3 days of intense exercise equivalent to boot camp military training. Ditto smoking. So as to replace their habit with experience and knowledge of intense exercise (which for the most part is the antithesis of consuming toxins).

It is impossible to make alcohol entirely illegal. Even Durterte in the Philippines didn't dare attempt that. He did put a liquor ban after 2am. And he put a curfew on minors I think 10pm. He has a smoking ban in public venues which include open air public transportation.


It would a lot easier raising the kids in a like minded community that watches each other's kids. So then we don't need all these strict laws.


Or I have another idea for society-at-large which is kids can do what ever the fuck they want, but the parents are not responsible for anything including not responsible for providing any financial support nor care to their kids.

I'd rather just be responsible for myself and no one else. But the State forces us to be parents. In that case, I'd rather raise kids in a small, close-knit community.

LOL! This is the second time a discussion on bitcointalk has directed me to that clip.

I agree strongly with this. But I'm looking at the massive federal government we have now and thinking that their war on drugs is a total failure.


Fair enough. I would suggest that unless they are directly infringing on your rights in some way, what people do behind closed doors is their business. It's also the responsibility of the parents to teach their children about the evils in life, including drug abuse.

I hope you have the same feelings against alcohol though. I've had tons of experience with heavy drug users, potheads, and alcoholics, and I can tell you that alcoholics are the most damaging of the bunch. Potheads are, by far, the least bothersome of those three. They want to get high, watch TV, and eat potato chips. I'd rather deal with a pothead than an alcoholic any day of the week.

I entirely support there being jurisdications where potheads can live unfettered.

But I don't think they should be allowed to subject their culture on my children. So I will choose to live in a society which banishes potheads.

I don't think we can live in large communities. We need small communities tailored to our preferences.

I love freedom, and I want potheads to have freedom. I also love my freedom to raise my children with my value system. Let's not abuse my freedom, while granting their freedom.

Try it and find out.


Lol as if drug addicts aren't in denial, "I haven't used for last 4 hours, therefor I am no longer using" the addict says to the surveyor before hanging up the phone and grabbing his purple bong and turning on the lava lamp.


@Holliday, there is a video of you before drugs:

https://youtu.be/WmCYaZFjwtM?t=48

Don't be an idiot. Capitalism has created the western world which grants everyone so much freedom and prosperity. That said, capitalism is pretty much impossible to find these days. What you have in the US is called corporatism, an entirely different beast and completely antithetical to capitalism.

The statistics gained from drug busts gives you no clue as to the level of use in the population.

Usage levels are best measured by voluntary polls, which happen routinely.

You seem to rail against the state whenever possible. Yet, when it comes to a plant, you seem about as authoritarian as it gets.

You can't have it both ways. Either we are free to make our own decisions (which includes bad decisions), or we aren't.

Prohibition is a failure. It always has been and it always will be. Instead of pot and heroin, it's xanax and oxycodone. The authorities don't care if people use drugs, they just want to be sure they control the monopoly. You also get fantastic things like synthetic pot and fentanyl laced heroin, which kill people.

Do drugs fuck people up? Sure. Yet, I'd rather err on the side of freedom every-single-time.

The war on drugs (aka the war on personal freedom) is worse for everyone than simply letting junkies be junkies. It enriches a criminal class. It wastes taxpayer money on something which is not winnable. It militarizes local police forces who will find reasons to use their fancy toys.

You talk about common sense? So called conservatives are blind when it comes to drugs.

I am in favor for medical used and should be regulated but for recreatioal used a big no. Meaning, anyone who wants it can but it is not like a ciggaretes as one forumer ponts out and I do agree. You get high and sometimes can cause or inflict pain and violence.

I suggest you move to a place of liberals and have it your way.

And I will move to a place of conservatives and have it my way.

Then we can measure which culture is more productive as I watch your liberal zones collapse into clusterfuck morass bankruptcy.

And this is the reason a breakup of the USA is coming...

Not in Washington State for my kids! Damn it!

Just use some common sense folks.

The reason there are so many small time drug dealers is because of the corruption in the War on Drugs. The bankers actually finance the illicit drugs industry. They buy our politicians. The War on Drugs has been a farce. Whereas, in the Philippines Durterte is serious and the small time drug sellers are dead and no longer exist.

So they make drugs legal somewhere and the larger corporations can take over displacing the street dealers, so you argue that kids are less likely to get the stuff. Well hasn't worked that way so far in Washington State. I don't think you can buy pot at 7Eleven yet.

The problem is the culture of acceptance it creates. In WA State we have the boomers who all smoked pot in the 1960s and 1970s. So they look at pot as acceptable as drinking a beer. And thus we have rampant use amongst the youth and thus you can't stop your kids from being influenced by their peers.

He is an outlier. I've known potheads.

I am not saying that no one could perform well (or perhaps even better) with well controlled usage of pot. I am referring the average result and the culture of laziness/permissiveness it seems to promulgate or coincide with (which seems to portend other worse transgressions for the individuals).

I think you misunderstand. When drugs are illegal, then the State (police, etc) are tasked to compile much resources into determining who is using and selling.


I wrote forced reporting, e.g. the police catching you. When it is legal, no one has any incentive to pry on what others are doing to report statistics, although corporations might compile sales figures if the industry becomes corporatized (well that data is surely already compiled by the drug syndicates but we don't have access to it).

This.. but about Crypto coins.

And i support it being legal i just don't want it blown in my face around town.
It's not like tobacco.. this is a drug that gets you high.
Measures need to be taken to address drug use all over.
Want guys blowing it in your little kids face at the bus stop ?

But i do support legalization though.. i smoked most of my life heavily.
If people WANT to smoke weed then i say who cares let 'em.
Legalization may be effective at reducing some organized crime too as a bonus.

The smarter choice would have been to finally get Psuedo-Ephedrine banned.
There is a about 6 places in the world where it is made and it would be easy to strangle out the meth trade.
The US govt proposed this and just kept getting shot down..
It shows how classy big-pharma is too.
Their idea was to make a half ass effort to make a substitute then keep making Sudafed etc.

Most of it is made from large quantities of raw chemical from the plants.
They do not need to crush pills LOL

No meth / cocaine will not be legalized ..don't be silly

nomatter how legal weed is and nomatter how much i smoke i still wouldnt want my child to do drugs

but now with weed legalized they will soon legalise cocaine and meth too, i mean they should, whats the point of prohibiting substances when everyone still can get it??

[/u]
Disagree.

Michael phelps is a great example. Google search for many more. Look for the ted talks episode about cbd cannabinoid saving childrens lives as another positive example. I would go so far to say that your information on this subject is outdated.

And Im pretty certain you can't OD on pot, even if you eat lots and lots of it.

But really, with all the extreme agro people everywhere, why not let them relax a little, mellow out. The world could use less hate, and spend the resources on more pressing issues.

Crystal meth is the real enemy, that shit is everywhere across the country. Major major issues are caused by it.

Legalizing cannabis will keep it out of the hands of our children. Well, it will make it much harder for them to get.

I know your first reaction to that line will be WTF? this guy is full of it.

Kids buy it from other kids right now. They just have to ask their friends and then they have pot.

Meanwhile, when they try to get alcohol they have to ask a adult to buy it for them. Someone of age. That is much harder than asking your friend wouldn't you say? Ever had a kid come up to you in the parking lot of a liquor store asking you to get them some beer? Its happened to me and I have always said no.

Keep it away from our kids until they are 25 years old. Cannabis creates schizophrenia in young brains. Research proves this. By advocating to keep it illegal you're putting our kids at risk. Making you a child abuser! 

So you are suggesting that reporting is more accurate when it's illegal? That doesn't pass the smell test.