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Topic: Cam4BTC the first Bitcoin camming site [NO FEES] [Cross platform] - page 4. (Read 15352 times)

legendary
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I could also stream a non-porn movie if you prefer Wink
I guess for the sake of testing scalability and getting feedback it would not be a bad idea to drop the NSFW nature.

Okay Streaming Tim Minchin, my favorite comedian Tongue

Care to submit a design? Smiley
I don't like the design of MFC to much neither as on 16:9 half the screen is chat, some part the links to the other channels, quite some part task bar and browser menus and not even half the screen actual video. I like their snapshots on the other channels and some other features
Disclaimer: I was thinking about doing something like this in bitcoin when I first saw MFC and find the idea totally mind blowing not only for porn and not only for video. Why not tip a live audio streaming from some event.

The channel list should be a drop down hovering over the video. When I open it (click to open, click to close) it should list snapshots of all channels + name + visitor count.
To get the user right into the experience, the landing page could be a welcome video streamed in a loop with some girl pointing out of her video to the elements of the site. "click here to ...". (Gah, I can't find this cool promo video they had on youtube once where some action hero is being shot at by evil guys in the other (fake) preview videos on youtube and shoots back with the youtube layout in ashes in the end Smiley you know what i mean.)

My nick and preference to watch or stream should be saved in a cookie! it's annoying to have to provide them each time.

Thanks a lot for the feedback I will take it into consideration. Some things will get done sooner than others. For instance the flash cookies are something I will do rather quickly while the user interface revamp is more complex (also for getting the required information, like the stream preview). The video idea is really cool but if it get's done the user interface should have matured more I think. I like the ideas though.

And btw it is entirely possible to only broadcast an audio stream on the site. Maybe cam4btc isn't the best name for that though Cheesy

Hmm ... for the rest I see now your ambitions are not short term profit. Fair enough. Hope you can keep making it better as long as it takes to get a solid user base.

I hope so too Smiley
legendary
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WalletScrutiny.com
I could also stream a non-porn movie if you prefer Wink
I guess for the sake of testing scalability and getting feedback it would not be a bad idea to drop the NSFW nature.

Care to submit a design? Smiley
I don't like the design of MFC to much neither as on 16:9 half the screen is chat, some part the links to the other channels, quite some part task bar and browser menus and not even half the screen actual video. I like their snapshots on the other channels and some other features
Disclaimer: I was thinking about doing something like this in bitcoin when I first saw MFC and find the idea totally mind blowing not only for porn and not only for video. Why not tip a live audio streaming from some event.

The channel list should be a drop down hovering over the video. When I open it (click to open, click to close) it should list snapshots of all channels + name + visitor count.
To get the user right into the experience, the landing page could be a welcome video streamed in a loop with some girl pointing out of her video to the elements of the site. "click here to ...". (Gah, I can't find this cool promo video they had on youtube once where some action hero is being shot at by evil guys in the other (fake) preview videos on youtube and shoots back with the youtube layout in ashes in the end Smiley you know what i mean.)

My nick and preference to watch or stream should be saved in a cookie! it's annoying to have to provide them each time.

Hmm ... for the rest I see now your ambitions are not short term profit. Fair enough. Hope you can keep making it better as long as it takes to get a solid user base.
legendary
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Cool Smiley

If you need assistance don't hesitate to contact me via PM or mail.
newbie
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Very cool.

I like the idea a lot, so much so I'm considering hosting my own show Smiley.
legendary
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Sorry for the pessimism but as much as I would love to see you succeed, this is not gonna happen. Maybe with
  • regulation of broadcasters
  • much better streaming/video quality most likely via fallback to use a server as a repeater.
  • many interface improvements like preview of other cams, chat history, bookmarks, ...
  • at least one interesting channel at any time. I assume your test broadcast is streaming content that will not get you in trouble. Maybe you should rather get some girl from myfreecams or any other such site to also stream to your system for x USD/h. I heard of somebody who knows somebody who has seen girls stream to different sites there already. I guess what gets people to pay for is not naked girls but getting connected to these girls and therefore canned content will not work. Guess it wouldn't even need to be porn.
  • alternative ways of payment at least for now (which would again require logins).

Event though I don't agree on all points, thanks for caring enough to post here Smiley

To start: I am not a fan of regulation. I am currently working on a scheduling feature so people know when a show will be on (maybe you meant this with regulation? Wink). Note that this is still

With respect to the quality. I have been o a channel last Friday night at 5 am my time or something with a guy and his stream was clear as can be. He was streaming at 24 fps and it was coming across fine. Any normal internet connection should be able to reach the speeds I am (I upload at 8fps 75% quality and 640x480), and even for solutions where content is streamed to the server a minimum bandwidth is required. Maybe the settings for the video quality could be further optimized though. I agree the interface needs many improvements (although I am a big fan of minimalism). Care to submit a design? Smiley

I am currently not planning on hiring people to perform shows. I am in contact with people that are interested to perform but that require a few improvements to be made. Also the fallback stream option would defeat the purpose of this site as that would vastly increase the cost (thus forcing me to charge fees) and would require me to regulate (id) broadcasters which would defeat the anonymity and leightweightness of the site.  Remember I am not trying to compete with MFC, I would surely lose if I did. And patience is key. Rome wasn't built in a day.

out of curiosity:
  • How long do you log IP addresses?
  • Do you store streams/snapshots?

I don't and nope, no audio/video data passes through the server. These are the core ideas behind cam4btc.com
legendary
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WalletScrutiny.com
Sorry for the pessimism but as much as I would love to see you succeed, this is not gonna happen. Maybe with
  • regulation of broadcasters
  • much better streaming/video quality most likely via fallback to use a server as a repeater.
  • many interface improvements like preview of other cams, chat history, bookmarks, ...
  • at least one interesting channel at any time. I assume your test broadcast is streaming content that will not get you in trouble. Maybe you should rather get some girl from myfreecams or any other such site to also stream to your system for x USD/h. I heard of somebody who knows somebody who has seen girls stream to different sites there already. I guess what gets people to pay for is not naked girls but getting connected to these girls and therefore canned content will not work. Guess it wouldn't even need to be porn.
  • alternative ways of payment at least for now (which would again require logins).

out of curiosity:
  • How long do you log IP addresses?
  • Do you store streams/snapshots?
legendary
Activity: 2324
Merit: 1125
Cam4BTC has moved to a new host as riush (member here at Bitcointalk) has generously offered to host both the website and the other server software I need for free until further notice. This should bring stability and allows me to keep the software up-to-date.

I have updated the DNS but this can take up to 48 hours to propagate (it is usually much faster though). Press control+F5 and if you see you are running v0.8 you know you have made the switch.

hero member
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Bitcoin Mayor of Las Vegas
haha I went back but the stream only lasted a few minutes and died on me.
sr. member
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Send correspondance to GPG key A372E7C6

Lolz, someone else actually told me about this...

*puts blinders on*
hero member
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Bitcoin Mayor of Las Vegas
sr. member
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Send correspondance to GPG key A372E7C6
hero member
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Bitcoin Mayor of Las Vegas
This could be the bitcoin killer app.  Watching.

You just missed me! haha
sr. member
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This could be the bitcoin killer app.  Watching.
legendary
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V0.7 out with full screen mode!  Grin
legendary
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Yes very silly they do that. You can connect by going via WiFi of course. At least it saves you on bandwidth usage cost (streaming video can go pretty fast Tongue)
newbie
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I got a "NetConnection.Connect.Failed" error. Maybe it's because I'm on 3G. Not sure...

I set it to auto-reconnect in v0.6.3 Hopefully it will succeed after a second go on a unstable network. Also I just remembered that some providers block outgoing UDP traffic. Would you mind posting a screenshot of:

http://cc.rtmfp.net ? This determines if it is possible for you to connect at all Smiley

Failed to connect to the rtmfp checker. Must be something that AT&T blocks.  Angry
legendary
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I got a "NetConnection.Connect.Failed" error. Maybe it's because I'm on 3G. Not sure...

I set it to auto-reconnect in v0.6.3 Hopefully it will succeed after a second go on a unstable network. Also I just remembered that some providers block outgoing UDP traffic. Would you mind posting a screenshot of:

http://cc.rtmfp.net ? This determines if it is possible for you to connect at all Smiley
legendary
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Heya, again a new version. I debugged the video quality some with Kleeden (iirc, sorry I kinda suck at names Smiley, who are you on the forums here anyway?) and later also Gweedo and we found settings that vastly improve the video quality. I released it in version 0.6.2 and even gone so far as to remove the manual configuration settings for the broadcasters altogether to make it less confusing for the end user.

Thanks a lot you guys Smiley
legendary
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It throws that when it cannot connect with the Rendez Vous server. In plain English the server that helps the peer to find each other. So yes it likely is to do with your connection. However I should really do something better with the error then show it to the end user. Maybe automatic retry? I'll put it on my todo list, thanks for the report Smiley
newbie
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I got a "NetConnection.Connect.Failed" error. Maybe it's because I'm on 3G. Not sure...
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