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Topic: Camp BX Platform in Beta: Margin Trading, Short Selling, and Advanced Orders - page 2. (Read 14215 times)

legendary
Activity: 1246
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Strength in numbers
Will there be a transaction history? I don't mean for the trades made on the site, but a list of deposits/withdraws of dollars/bitcoins.

Holliday,
    Yes, we are implementing fund movement history later this week for following three transactions:

1) Bitcoin Withdrawals
2) USD Deposits
3) USD Withdrawals

We will not be able to show Bitcoin deposits, because it requires an un-elegant technical solution.  This seemingly simple feature will have to wait for a mod to the core Bitcoin client.

Thank you,
     Keyur


I don't understand. You need to know how much is deposited in order to credit it. Why can't you display it?


FM,
     We don't see timestamps of individual deposit transactions.  There is a much more elegant solution planned that will take some time to implement.

Hope this makes sense,
     Keyur



So there will be a record of deposits, but not in the 'history' section since they aren't on a timeline?

Would it be so bad to list the time that the funds were credited to the account instead of the transaction being sent?
sr. member
Activity: 299
Merit: 250
Will there be a transaction history? I don't mean for the trades made on the site, but a list of deposits/withdraws of dollars/bitcoins.

Holliday,
    Yes, we are implementing fund movement history later this week for following three transactions:

1) Bitcoin Withdrawals
2) USD Deposits
3) USD Withdrawals

We will not be able to show Bitcoin deposits, because it requires an un-elegant technical solution.  This seemingly simple feature will have to wait for a mod to the core Bitcoin client.

Thank you,
     Keyur


I don't understand. You need to know how much is deposited in order to credit it. Why can't you display it?


FM,
     We don't see timestamps of individual deposit transactions.  There is a much more elegant solution planned that will take some time to implement.

Hope this makes sense,
     Keyur

legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1016
Strength in numbers
Will there be a transaction history? I don't mean for the trades made on the site, but a list of deposits/withdraws of dollars/bitcoins.

Holliday,
    Yes, we are implementing fund movement history later this week for following three transactions:

1) Bitcoin Withdrawals
2) USD Deposits
3) USD Withdrawals

We will not be able to show Bitcoin deposits, because it requires an un-elegant technical solution.  This seemingly simple feature will have to wait for a mod to the core Bitcoin client.

Thank you,
     Keyur


I don't understand. You need to know how much is deposited in order to credit it. Why can't you display it?
sr. member
Activity: 299
Merit: 250
Will there be a transaction history? I don't mean for the trades made on the site, but a list of deposits/withdraws of dollars/bitcoins.

Holliday,
    Yes, we are implementing fund movement history later this week for following three transactions:

1) Bitcoin Withdrawals
2) USD Deposits
3) USD Withdrawals

We will not be able to show Bitcoin deposits, because it requires an un-elegant technical solution.  This seemingly simple feature will have to wait for a mod to the core Bitcoin client.

Thank you,
     Keyur


sr. member
Activity: 672
Merit: 258
https://cryptassist.io
I would be more inclined to trust entities incorporated in a pro free market sovereign such as singapore, hong kong, or lichtenstein.
sr. member
Activity: 299
Merit: 250
Ok here a few design and feature position suggestions for your site interface:

I don't know how to best explain this but I guess I can try from the perspective of how I usually trade.

First I want to see the depth table. This is very important to me because even though I don't see dark orders, which btw you should explain somewhere what are the exact mechanics of, I can still roughly anticipate where the market is moving. It's my primary source of information when I daytrade.

2nd I look at recent history. I usually find graphs like these two the most useful: http://bitcoinity.org/markets?theme=light and http://mtgoxlive.com/orders
And I'd like to also see something like these two when I'm writing my order, meaning both the depth table and a graph like these two should be on the "trade now" page.

3rd when I book orders I want it to be as easy, simple and quick as possible. That means:
-no preview step, or at least the option to turn that off, maybe live calculation of how much a certain quantity would cost at a certain price, or how much a certain quantity would net me at a certain price
-displayed live top bid and lowest ask
-automatic order splitting into 2 portions, one for which I have funds for being active and another which I don't have the funds for in the event that I am trying to buy/sell too much
-easily accessible "my orders" table meaning it should also be part of the "trade now" page so that I can cancel them quickly if I want to

These are some of the thing that I noticed right away and changing them would make your exchange become a lot smoother IMO.

Also I realize you'll have an API available but then I'd have to look to someone for a trading client having to learn how to use it and potentially expose myself to more risks.

Hazek,
     
These are some really good suggestions to make Camp BX UI better suited to experienced traders.  Let me take these ideas to my team and see what we can fit in our to-do list prior to launch.  I will keep you posted on this.

- Keyur
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1003
Ok here a few design and feature position suggestions for your site interface:

I don't know how to best explain this but I guess I can try from the perspective of how I usually trade.

First I want to see the depth table. This is very important to me because even though I don't see dark orders, which btw you should explain somewhere what are the exact mechanics of, I can still roughly anticipate where the market is moving. It's my primary source of information when I daytrade.

2nd I look at recent history. I usually find graphs like these two the most useful: http://bitcoinity.org/markets?theme=light and http://mtgoxlive.com/orders
And I'd like to also see something like these two when I'm writing my order, meaning both the depth table and a graph like these two should be on the "trade now" page.

3rd when I book orders I want it to be as easy, simple and quick as possible. That means:
-no preview step, or at least the option to turn that off, maybe live calculation of how much a certain quantity would cost at a certain price, or how much a certain quantity would net me at a certain price
-displayed live top bid and lowest ask
-automatic order splitting into 2 portions, one for which I have funds for being active and another which I don't have the funds for in the event that I am trying to buy/sell too much
-easily accessible "my orders" table meaning it should also be part of the "trade now" page so that I can cancel them quickly if I want to

These are some of the thing that I noticed right away and changing them would make your exchange become a lot smoother IMO.

Also I realize you'll have an API available but then I'd have to look to someone for a trading client having to learn how to use it and potentially expose myself to more risks.
sr. member
Activity: 299
Merit: 250
How can we check that the company is indeed registered in Georgia?

Sent you the details on Georgia Secretary of State website.   Please feel free to look us up.

Thank you,
     Keyur

zby
legendary
Activity: 1594
Merit: 1001
How can we check that the company is indeed registered in Georgia?
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
God creats math and math creats bitcoin.
Keyur,

I didn't say I necessarily wouldn't use it, just that I'd like to know all the bases are covered beforehand. That's why I asked what lawyer or legal firm advised you of the legalities of operating such a business in the USA, and if you were registered as an MSB.

"Trust us, it's legit" is what E-gold, Liberty Dollars, and a bunch of others said in the past. No one wants to get burned by this, and want to make sure you've done your homework. Sad

I do dig the site though, the hate on colorblind folks and the invalid-characters-in-passwords notwithstanding.


Elggawf,

     Thank you for your kind words!   I certainly understand your concerns, and will talk to my counsel on how best we can provide more transparency and news about the compliance program to our users.


Thank you,
     Keyur



Keyur, I find your techy part of your exchange is the best among your fellow exchanges. However, I guess people still want you to cooperate with the authorities and lawyers better. For most of the bitcoin adopters, especially the investors, they don't need to hide their identity, why not be a more regulated exchange? In that way, you can accept individual traders, and you can also develop some broker network around the world, just like NASDAQ and NY exchanges.
sr. member
Activity: 299
Merit: 250
Keyur,

I didn't say I necessarily wouldn't use it, just that I'd like to know all the bases are covered beforehand. That's why I asked what lawyer or legal firm advised you of the legalities of operating such a business in the USA, and if you were registered as an MSB.

"Trust us, it's legit" is what E-gold, Liberty Dollars, and a bunch of others said in the past. No one wants to get burned by this, and want to make sure you've done your homework. Sad

I do dig the site though, the hate on colorblind folks and the invalid-characters-in-passwords notwithstanding.


Elggawf,

     Thank you for your kind words!   I certainly understand your concerns, and will talk to my counsel on how best we can provide more transparency and news about the compliance program to our users.


Thank you,
     Keyur

sr. member
Activity: 299
Merit: 250
What are the ordinary transaction fees to buy or sell bitcoins?  [Will you beat Mt Gox and TradeHill?] 

Will you consider a tiered fee structure for active traders.?

Are there fees for withdrawing or adding funds to my account?

I looked in the FAQ but could not see this info.

Like others I desire a trading API - hopefully subsuming the Mt Gox precedent.


From the site.

"There is a commission of 0.55 % for advanced trades, and 2% flat-rate for margin trades (no interest charges)."


Thank you!  We will update the FAQ to show the commissions.

We are looking to compete primarily on features, not prices.  Look for three groundbreaking new features in coming months!

- Keyur





sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 250
Keyur,

I didn't say I necessarily wouldn't use it, just that I'd like to know all the bases are covered beforehand. That's why I asked what lawyer or legal firm advised you of the legalities of operating such a business in the USA, and if you were registered as an MSB.

"Trust us, it's legit" is what E-gold, Liberty Dollars, and a bunch of others said in the past. No one wants to get burned by this, and want to make sure you've done your homework. Sad

I do dig the site though, the hate on colorblind folks and the invalid-characters-in-passwords notwithstanding.
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 501
Stephen Reed
What are the ordinary transaction fees to buy or sell bitcoins?  [Will you beat Mt Gox and TradeHill?] 

Will you consider a tiered fee structure for active traders.?

Are there fees for withdrawing or adding funds to my account?

I looked in the FAQ but could not see this info.

Like others I desire a trading API - hopefully subsuming the Mt Gox precedent.
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1003
Hazek,
       Don't be turned off by the TOS language: the harsh sounding terms are targeted for elements who are trying to abuse the site for illegal activities.  In that case, we have the right to close their account and refuse their business.

We are willing to work with a client's lawyer to draft a bilateral TOS, but this is cost prohibitive so will be offered only to high-value clients.

I'll admit that's reassuring and makes sense.

Quote
Hope this helps,
     Keyur

PS: Removed the gray-on-green yesterday.


Great.
sr. member
Activity: 299
Merit: 250
Excellent, free market at work giving us another platform that judging by my first impressions seems to have a lot of competence behind it which is always a plus. It looks slick, loads fast and so far I like my experience. I also commend your decisions to offer testing and play money before going live.

However I'm a bit turned off by the TOS which I really hope people took their time to read. I'm sure it's a standard TOS for such a platform but to me it read like it was written by some wall street lawyers in such a vicious manner where the user basically doesn't have any rights and has quite a few obligations.

I sincerely hope, for the welfare of the Bitcoin economy through a more decentralized exchange market, that you'll do everything possible to be as transparent if not 100% transparent with all of us so that we can make the best possible decisions when doing business with you. With a TOS like yours I will not use your service if that isn't going to be the case.


Oh and try and lose the gray on green cause it's really hard to read.


Hazek,
       Don't be turned off by the TOS language: the harsh sounding terms are targeted for elements who are trying to abuse the site for illegal activities.  In that case, we have the right to close their account and refuse their business.

We are willing to work with a client's lawyer to draft a bilateral TOS, but this is cost prohibitive so will be offered only to high-value clients.

Hope this helps,
     Keyur

PS: Removed the gray-on-green yesterday.


EDIT: Typo



legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1003
But I unequivocally believe that spirit of Free Speech and Free Enterprise are strongest in the United States.  I have full confidence in what we are doing.

Take care,
       Keyur

LOL you can't seriously be that ignorant? Even the Chinese are more capitalist today than your good ol' land of the free and home of the brave US of A. Does having to mention compliance to the Patriot act provision in your FAQ sound American or free to you? Please..

If the quote is your company's view, not to mention you didn't address my comment on your down right vile TOS, I think I'll abstain myself from doing business with you and wait for another company that will offer some of the advanced trading options that you plan on providing. Thank you very much.
newbie
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But I unequivocally believe that spirit of Free Speech and Free Enterprise are strongest in the United States.  I have full confidence in what we are doing.

Take care,
       Keyur



Hi Keyur,

I disagree.  I think the USA is the hardest, most dangerous, most regulated and most likely to have legal, shutdown, seizure or similar problems.

The legal aspects of trading of virtual (goods / currency / commodities) in the USA are mirky at best.  Free speech doesn't count for much with the very tough regulations for AML, investing, banking, money transfer, and general litigious environment.  Add in the possibilities of seizures with the Patriot Act and anti-terrorism claims puts the USA (in my books) as the absolute worst environment to base a virtual  (goods / currency / commodities) trading company. 

Just my opinion. 

I do however, honestly wish you the best and much success with your venture.
hero member
Activity: 809
Merit: 501
Always verify deals with me through my public key!
Nice site.

One thing I've noticed so far is your login message states incorrect Login id, best remove this and make it more ambiguous.

Also hoping you get the chance to facilitate international investors as well.
sr. member
Activity: 299
Merit: 250
I would be interested to know more about the regulatory aspects of this. Are you registered as a money service business, or whatever the hell people in the USA have to do to transmit "money"? If not, and you believe you don't have to, what is the name of the lawyer who you have on retainer who gave you this advice?

What do you mean by you're "FDIC insured" - did you get the FDIC to insure all your USD holdings? What about the BTC holdings, will those be insured too?

I think your testnet/have-at-it approach is a excellent one, but there are some huge unanswered questions about this site's ability to operate inside the USA. I think I'd rather take my chances with hackers in Chile or Japan, than with the authorities right in the "belly of the beast" unless you've dotted all the Is and crossed all the Ts. Cheesy

Elgaff, I respect your opinion about which country you choose to do business with. 

But I unequivocally believe that spirit of Free Speech and Free Enterprise are strongest in the United States.  I have full confidence in what we are doing.

Take care,
       Keyur





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