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Topic: Can a casino ever run without the government's awareness? - page 3. (Read 442 times)

legendary
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Every now and then those decentralized services still need some human interaction and that alone makes them semi-decentralized and that means the gov will find that “human” sooner or later and tax him.

I believe it is possible to create decentralized dice casinos but when it comes to sports betting, everything changes. A decentralized casino can’t handle this kind of task. These “decentralized “ sports betting casinos need input data and that data is human generated. So there will always be a human managing this data and that will be the weak spot of these projects.
legendary
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When it comes to the government's awareness i'd say casinos can only pull it off for a certain time because I remember seeing casinos that didn't have a gambling license initially then eventually got one after they found enough success.

True. Gamblers are also curious these days and something new won't be too confident with us anymore, we're looking for assurance that the casino we're at has a license.

Well, it's true also that a casino can operate without government's presence but if they've been found to be operating under their territory illegally, they'll be subject to their terms and rules.
It still depends on the type of license because the Curacao license that can be seen in most crypto casinos doesn't provide that much value.
hero member
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Yes they can operate illegally and can offer it to people who can possibly try there service to offer. But the problem there is many people at this days will ask about there license and if they cannot show anything related especially they are new some of people will doubt about their legitimacy. Also worse there are some trolls will try to destroy their operation and throw shady accusation against them. Although this is not necessary needed but people nowadays are looking for something legal holdings so that they can assure that they are in safe casino.
True. Gamblers are also curious these days and something new won't be too confident with us anymore, we're looking for assurance that the casino we're at has a license.

Well, it's true also that a casino can operate without government's presence but if they've been found to be operating under their territory illegally, they'll be subject to their terms and rules.
copper member
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Yeah, it's possible to run a decentralized gambling platform using blockchain technology. These platforms, also known as Gambling dApps (decentralized applications), can operate without central control, which makes it difficult for governments to monitor or regulate them. I think there already are such few casinos out there, but not much popular like regular casinos due to some reason that I don't even know.  Likely cause decentralized platforms could have their own set of risks, such as lower user trust (the developers can anytime change the "rules") and potential technical issues that would be such a mess to solve. But you should also keep in mind that even though these platforms might not be under direct government control, they may still face legal challenges if they operate in jurisdictions where gambling is heavily regulated. Even players might face legal problems when playing in those casinos.
hero member
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Is it possible to run a decentralized gambling platform? I know that all popular gambling platforms have no choice but to be transparent to the law to have a steady business running, but with the introduction of CBDC and yes a registered gambling platform has no choice but to accept CBDC too, and I don't trust this centralized currency, I believe CBDC will have the capability to monitor incoming and outgoing funds, so that is what makes me think if it's possible to run a decentralized gambling platform at all.

This is possible but they are potentially throwing away everything as there is a hanging sword of Damocles on their position.

If they operate illegally without a license, this puts a toll on its identity as a gambling website. Anytime, the government can track down and check their license if they follow all the necessary requisites of operation. In addition, I also doubt that players would invest their time and resources in this kind of online casino given the fact that anytime it could shut down.

If a gambling website plans on operating without a license, then might as well just shut down due to the extreme risks involved in operating this kind of scheme.
legendary
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Is it possible to run a decentralized gambling platform? I know that all popular gambling platforms have no choice but to be transparent to the law to have a steady business running, but with the introduction of CBDC and yes a registered gambling platform has no choice but to accept CBDC too, and I don't trust this centralized currency, I believe CBDC will have the capability to monitor incoming and outgoing funds, so that is what makes me think if it's possible to run a decentralized gambling platform at all.

Title and context seems to be not in sync so I don't know which one I have to answer so let's go with both.

Yes, individual or group of people can offer gambling service to people forever without being noticed by government and its happening all over the world especially where gambling is prohibited and restricted.



Yes they can operate illegally and can offer it to people who can possibly try there service to offer. But the problem there is many people at this days will ask about there license and if they cannot show anything related especially they are new some of people will doubt about their legitimacy. Also worse there are some trolls will try to destroy their operation and throw shady accusation against them. Although this is not necessary needed but people nowadays are looking for something legal holdings so that they can assure that they are in safe casino.
hero member
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Is it possible to run a decentralized gambling platform? I know that all popular gambling platforms have no choice but to be transparent to the law to have a steady business running, but with the introduction of CBDC and yes a registered gambling platform has no choice but to accept CBDC too, and I don't trust this centralized currency, I believe CBDC will have the capability to monitor incoming and outgoing funds, so that is what makes me think if it's possible to run a decentralized gambling platform at all.
Decentralized on the sense that it will just accept decentralized coins? or
Decentralized on the way that it isnt really that been regulated or doesnt abide any rules or simply having license?

We know that it is really that hard to oppose when it comes to regulation specially when you are running a business which do involves
huge money in regarding about incoming and outgoing which we know that it is really that not something the government would let it pass.
legendary
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Is it possible to run a decentralized gambling platform? I know that all popular gambling platforms have no choice but to be transparent to the law to have a steady business running, but with the introduction of CBDC and yes a registered gambling platform has no choice but to accept CBDC too, and I don't trust this centralized currency, I believe CBDC will have the capability to monitor incoming and outgoing funds, so that is what makes me think if it's possible to run a decentralized gambling platform at all.

It definitely can and as others have said, in the early days of Bitcoin this was often the norm, because it was considered a new wild west territory that did not get much attention from gambling regulators who might have deemed it a passing fad. It's even possible nowadays, but probably much harder because ultimately the owners want to get paid, or at least need to cover bills, so they would have to be able to generate - at the very least - front companies to convert some of the funding via banks into fiat for regular business bills or staff salaries. At that point, unless they are being a bit tricky with their wording, then the banks are definitely going to want to know a more detailed source of funds and may start asking the business to validate their customers to be sure that no nefarious money washing is taking place.
hero member
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it very likely could run without government knowledge. after all it's decentralized casino that usually preferred by users who are not happy with KYC, to me both are the same whether it's a decentralized casino or a casino that is officially associated with the government. although the regulations are stricter but as long as it can be trusted I have no problem, I've only seen decentralized casinos very rarely last a long time usually they go bankrupt faster and disappear.
Governments are aware with crypto and so with the decentralized casinos but they are only good at staring it. They can't do any actions to regulate or shut it down because that is already away of their reach. Long time ago, KYC is not a thing in all types of crypto casino but unfortunately the scene is slowly changing but I think there's still a few centralized casinos who doesn't ask a KYC especially if you are only playing with minimal amounts.

I still prefer them over their decentralized counter part, the same goes when using a crypto exchanger. I feel safe here and the convenience is also there (excluding KYC of course because this one is hassle).
sr. member
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Is it possible to run a decentralized gambling platform? I know that all popular gambling platforms have no choice but to be transparent to the law to have a steady business running, but with the introduction of CBDC and yes a registered gambling platform has no choice but to accept CBDC too, and I don't trust this centralized currency, I believe CBDC will have the capability to monitor incoming and outgoing funds, so that is what makes me think if it's possible to run a decentralized gambling platform at all.

Title and context seems to be not in sync so I don't know which one I have to answer so let's go with both.

Yes, individual or group of people can offer gambling service to people forever without being noticed by government and its happening all over the world especially where gambling is prohibited and restricted.

About CBDC the policy seems new because I don't know any regulated centralized casino should add CBDC in their platform even if they were forced to do still people can choose which one they want to deposit. However being regulated gambling platform shares the information with government anyways so either its CBDC or Bitcoin still you can be tracked.
legendary
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I would guess that if you do not have any problems about running legit then you should be wanting the casino to be part of governments awareness. That much is true, but if you are a casino I am sure you will want less government, not just because you would be able to do shady stuff thanks to no government, but even the fact that you won't be paying taxes if government doesn't know you means a lot.

However, no casino can get bigger without government, it would be quite difficult to handle and I would guess that not many people will be able to do it. I want to make sure to point this out better, if you are a casino, and if you get big, government will find you no matter where you hide.
sr. member
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Now imagine that you registered with a decentralized casino and you win big,if the casino refuse to pay you your funds,how will you claim your funds. Remember any good business that is illegal will end up crashing because it has no government back up
I guess you are right on that note, because I have faced similar situation when I had secured a big win and was asked to provide kyc for my withdrawals, I was kind of disturbed by the persistent request for my proof of identity as the details I used in registering was that of my wife and she was on holiday and her details were unavailable but the only hope I had was that the platform was under government control as its registered under a gambling license in my country so I had to call and lay and proper complain and I was asked for proper clarification in their head office and every issue of kyc was rectified and I was paid it full all my winnings but harden been it was an illegal casino I would bet all my winning would be gone as their will be no one to complain to.
legendary
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Is it possible to run a decentralized gambling platform? I know that all popular gambling platforms have no choice but to be transparent to the law to have a steady business running,
Gambling platforms have to be transparent to the law too if the owners have plans to create a long term business. Saying you want to run a casino or gambling platform without government awareness is the same as wanting to run a casino or gambling platform without proper licensing and documentation. If you run a gambling platform to avoid to the government (decentralized gambling), that can only work for a short time away from the eyes of the government, but it is not sustainable, and your business may just be shutdown just when you are about doing well.
hero member
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Yes, it's possible.
You know that the government will just intervene when the company is quite big already. They'll do all the means to track the owners down and make the business at risk by applying such laws that haven't been seen by the developers.
If the law states that they can't do it then that's questionable because they didn't enforce it when it was just launched. But it's because the company was too small to be considered and apply the law on them. That's mostly the status of many startups and even new casinos, it's like a test and dry run for them. If it's a success, they'll be recognized and too big not to be noticed.
Decentralized gambling might not be profitable because it will attract fewer customers. This is because people might not trust these gambling platforms, because they don't have a license to operate in a particular country. Gamblers will always want to deal with casinos that are registered in a jurisdiction in case of litigations.  CBDCs are centralized and controlled by the central banks of these nations and if the government mandates these casinos to use them, they don't have any option but to use It. The truth is that people will always prefer cryptocurrencies to using CBDCs.
hero member
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Is it possible to run a decentralized gambling platform? I know that all popular gambling platforms have no choice but to be transparent to the law to have a steady business running, but with the introduction of CBDC and yes a registered gambling platform has no choice but to accept CBDC too,


For a moment I think your topic and the post doesn't really flow in the manner it is understandable but then I got your point. To answer your first question, yes they can run without government awareness but as you have rightly answered your own question, casinos are business outfit that are established to make gains and what determines the amount of gain in a business is the strength of patronage so that contribute to direct an employer on the kind of business and strategy to adopt. To run casino without government awareness you may not need KYC which makes it decentralized but how many bettors desires to play in secrecy when the issue of trust is getting higher. So a casino can desire to run in government control, pay tax and have return on investment due to high level patronage.


and I don't trust this centralized currency, I believe CBDC will have the capability to monitor incoming and outgoing funds, so that is what makes me think if it's possible to run a decentralized gambling platform at all.

It is gradually becoming a normal for bettors to play on a regulated casino because of same trust you mentioned.
legendary
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It's wish of most of the gamblers, but it was hard one.Because the gambling site was owned by the individual person,if the gambling site is owned by the person who is gamblers.Then the owner like to keep the gambling site with the benefits of other gamblers.Their is expectations in this case also, if the gamblers is selfish.Then the gamblers will not favour the gamblers.That website also became the owner favour one.It’s impossible to run casino without government knowledge.

It was the situation over a decade before.The online gambling without kyc is mostly trying to do work without the knowledge of the government.It doesn’t mean they are scammer,they not like to pay tax to the government for their earnings.But some casino which doesn’t required any kyc also sometimes stole our money and fly after some expected money was raised.
sr. member
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Is it possible to run a decentralized gambling platform? I know that all popular gambling platforms have no choice but to be transparent to the law to have a steady business running, but with the introduction of CBDC and yes a registered gambling platform has no choice but to accept CBDC too, and I don't trust this centralized currency, I believe CBDC will have the capability to monitor incoming and outgoing funds, so that is what makes me think if it's possible to run a decentralized gambling platform at all.

From what I know, a decentralized system is a system that is not controlled and everyone can contribute to it, meaning it is a free and transparent system. It would be very risky if you implemented a system like this on a gambling platform, because as a platform owner you must be able to control your users and the games in it, by controlling like this you can avoid various kinds of fraud or manipulation that can be done by users.

And you can also run a gambling platform without needing approval from the government, there are many gambling platforms that operate like that. But it is illegal to run such a business, if you are caught you can be jailed and all your assets will be confiscated by the country in which you operate.
legendary
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People will always strive for decentralization and freedom, but regulators have very different goals. It is very important for them that all money flows are transparent and controlled. I think that as long as we have ways to bypass the system, they will be outlawed.  But I always advocated and will always advocate decentralization, even though I know it's a pipe dream.
legendary
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It can. There are many gambling sites out there without permission or being regitered, but still woking out well or still continuously operating. To sum, they are still doing thourthing without governments' permission for them to open. And I guess same scenario would be continuous despite lacking promotion from each government of countries. Problem only is for players who would happen to have a hard time operating especiially on publicized places or platforms. This is more evident with online platform wherein many gambling sites are running without permit. Another problem is players crossing over or meeting ones which happen to be fraud or scam.
hero member
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Indeed, it is possible but it could have consequences and risks in the future. Casinos could be built without the government being aware of it especially if it's online but when the number of users increases and there would be players who would testify about their winnings or share their reviews regarding the casino, they will surely track and look after it. Also, some gamblers prefer legit and centralized casinos for security and assurance in case they would encounter trouble with the casino in the future.
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