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So if bitcoin becomes a primarily store-of-value coin, or if an altcoin that pops up in the future decides to make itself primarily for the use of storing value, will the amount of transactions be able to support miners, when the block reward drops off, and only transaction fees are left? If not enough transactions happen, what will happen to the network security? Will the big players spend their own money to secure the network to make sure the value they have in the coin is safe? Or will transaction fees be very high? Or will the network be vulnerable?...

...Also, if an altcoin is too inflationary, obviously it won't work well as a store of value. But perhaps a small amount of inflation could work; if we could estimate the amount of coins lost (through mistakes, death, or whatever else) per year, and have the emissions match that amount, we are essentially keeping the amount of coins constant (or close to it). Miners will still get rewards, and we won't end up with a grand total of 1 satoshi that isn't lost, from 21mil coins in the future.

I'm surprised to see that Peercoin hasn't already been mentioned yet. Peercoin was designed to be a store of value coin from the very beginning by Sunny King. His suggestion was that PPC should be used as a savings account or a "backbone currency". It's security model is proof-of-stake although the distribution uses an initial proof-of-work stage.

One of the measures he implemented to make sure that PPC is fit for this role was fixed transaction fees which don't go to miners/stakers but are simply destroyed and lost forever. In order to encourage staking, the coin incorporates a fixed 1% per year inflation rate instead. Hence Peercoin completely dissolves the link between transaction fees and mining/staking incentives. This means that even with very few transactions happening, PPC can still have a healthy network.

Note that this also means that PPC isn't really the type of coin that you'd use to buy your baked beans at the supermarket with.
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
Store-of-value was programmed into us by the Scientology Overlords so they might easily take our gold when they return. Bitcoin is a secret weapon created on the Planet Satoshi to defeat the Scientologists.  Grin
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Yes it can. DMD Diamond s primairly store of value and it s going to be big. Yes, I have invested in it and yes you can consider this as a promotion. However, if I think it s smart to invest my own money in it, I see no reason why I would not recommend it to other people.
Okay, you're free to promote a coin you like, but in keeping with this being the bitcoin discussion section, would you mind elaborating why you think such coins can/will succeed? You're free to bring examples from your coin, but I hope that there is also something in general to all cryptocurrencies. I don't mind the mods moving this thread, but I'd prefer if it stayed here.

Thanks.

Ok, sure.


You know how they often compare crypto to a gold?

One of the major function of gold is to be a store of value, in other words a precious metal you can turn your assets into and know that you ll be able to retain that value over decades.
The same idea s behind several cryptocurrencies, I would say most of them besides those with high inflation rate e.g 700%+

People often think that the primary reason for crypto to succeed is to get accepted by thousands of small retailers and get spent EVERY DAY. This might not be true.
I personally chose my currencies to act as store of value, I do use some of them to purchase things I need but most of them I hoard like a hamster. Let us be honest, most of us do the same.
The only difference is that some people do it solely because they expect the price of their portfolio to apprecaiate while other, like me, do this due to this additional reason of PRESERVING current assets over time.

I like gold but I m into tech and I need something with characteristics of a precious metal which can be turned into FIAT fast, which is easy to transfer, which is safe and secure.

Why DMD Diamond? Well, its a 50% annual PoS coin. In other words, it s a gold bar which generated small gold bars over time.  Grin
Also, it s a coin with a very limited and scarce supply as a real diamond should be. PoW phase reward just got reduced from 1 DMD per block to 0.2 DMD per block.

So, yes, I believe crypto can be used as a store of value. Whether this is its primarily function, it depends on the person who holds it.

If you create a coin primarily only for as a storage purpose  how do you expect it to grow without demand. If you can create a coin and slap it with any name you want to call it what prevents others from doing the same and call their coins also as store of value. What makes the difference here is if you can create a coin where there is a natural demand for spending purpose it will likely attain a value. Never mind if it gets sold as long as people will buy it again and spending the coins is the key.
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That was the goal with MMXIV. To provide a hedge using high stake rates. It's going alright
legendary
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why don't you use a bitcoin service that locks your bitcoins value? that way you get a store of value with bitcoin

i can't recall any service like that, and it could potentially go against the bitcoin decentralization, because a service like that will probably be centralized...

There are a few. This is probably the most well-known: https://coinapult.com/locks/info
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why don't you use a bitcoin service that locks your bitcoins value? that way you get a store of value with bitcoin

i can't recall any service like that, and it could potentially go against the bitcoin decentralization, because a service like that will probably be centralized...

Hedged accounts are here now.  Smiley
https://support.coinjar.com/hc/en-us/articles/204157605
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why don't you use a bitcoin service that locks your bitcoins value? that way you get a store of value with bitcoin

i can't recall any service like that, and it could potentially go against the bitcoin decentralization, because a service like that will probably be centralized...
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still the most succeful is coke, the other are just niche market, the same with alt and bitcoin, bitcoin is the primary and most accepted while alt are just for the minority who got bored to play with bitcoin only

also this isn't exactly a good comparison, because bitcoin has utility, those are only "food" instead

People like choice and people want to have choices. The same goes for drinks and crypto.
I personally hold 3 additional cryptocurrencies besides BTC and each of them s got some kind of unique trait which I like. Not to mention the fact it s much easier to make money on alts then on BTC.

Yes why not, but you can't say :

Yes it can. DMD Diamond s primairly store of value and it s going to be big. Yes, I have invested in it and yes you can consider this as a promotion. However, if I think it s smart to invest my own money in it, I see no reason why I would not recommend it to other people.

If you want to store value, the best choice at the moment is the gold. If you talk in the cryptocurrency world, there is not exist a coin that can considered primarily store of value". Just my opinion and maye I'm wrong.

Gold is not something I m interest in cause I have my investments into crypto. If I wanted traditional sources, I would not be here. Besides, a store of value comparison between gold and crypto s probably one of the most common ones. I m simply saying, DMD is, IMHO, the closest thing I currently consider to to store of value coin. If you have any other option which s better, pls do suggest it and explain why.
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why don't you use a bitcoin service that locks your bitcoins value? that way you get a store of value with bitcoin
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still the most succeful is coke, the other are just niche market, the same with alt and bitcoin, bitcoin is the primary and most accepted while alt are just for the minority who got bored to play with bitcoin only

also this isn't exactly a good comparison, because bitcoin has utility, those are only "food" instead

People like choice and people want to have choices. The same goes for drinks and crypto.
I personally hold 3 additional cryptocurrencies besides BTC and each of them s got some kind of unique trait which I like. Not to mention the fact it s much easier to make money on alts then on BTC.

Yes why not, but you can't say :

Yes it can. DMD Diamond s primairly store of value and it s going to be big. Yes, I have invested in it and yes you can consider this as a promotion. However, if I think it s smart to invest my own money in it, I see no reason why I would not recommend it to other people.

If you want to store value, the best choice at the moment is the gold. If you talk in the cryptocurrency world, there is not exist a coin that can considered primarily store of value". Just my opinion and maye I'm wrong.
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Yes it can. DMD Diamond s primairly store of value and it s going to be big. Yes, I have invested in it and yes you can consider this as a promotion. However, if I think it s smart to invest my own money in it, I see no reason why I would not recommend it to other people.

I don't see a point for a coin to have any value over Bitcoin, unless it does something that Bitcoin can't do. I do not think DMD is the case.

Its the same as saying it pointless to have Pepso, Fanta and Sprite since we have Coke. Well, I like my choices. I m sure other 2 million supporters of other alts also like their choices. Can BTC stake?

still the most succeful is coke, the other are just niche market, the same with alt and bitcoin, bitcoin is the primary and most accepted while alt are just for the minority who got bored to play with bitcoin only

also this isn't exactly a good comparison, because bitcoin has utility, those are only "food" instead

People like choice and people want to have choices. The same goes for drinks and crypto.
I personally hold 3 additional cryptocurrencies besides BTC and each of them s got some kind of unique trait which I like. Not to mention the fact it s much easier to make money on alts then on BTC.
legendary
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Yes it can. DMD Diamond s primairly store of value and it s going to be big. Yes, I have invested in it and yes you can consider this as a promotion. However, if I think it s smart to invest my own money in it, I see no reason why I would not recommend it to other people.

I don't see a point for a coin to have any value over Bitcoin, unless it does something that Bitcoin can't do. I do not think DMD is the case.

Its the same as saying it pointless to have Pepso, Fanta and Sprite since we have Coke. Well, I like my choices. I m sure other 2 million supporters of other alts also like their choices. Can BTC stake?

still the most succeful is coke, the other are just niche market, the same with alt and bitcoin, bitcoin is the primary and most accepted while alt are just for the minority who got bored to play with bitcoin only

also this isn't exactly a good comparison, because bitcoin has utility, those are only "food" instead
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Bitcoin FTW!
Store of value is not its only feature, its also global payments without borders. You can buy drink on every airport in the world without need of using money exchanges and paying many fees.
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Op, so are you worried about that Bitcoin could in the future become deflationary spiral, because we have finite coins plus lost coins means deflationary spiral - some people seem to think that way.
Is that your problem? First and foremost I am not sure what is the deal with lost bitcoins, it is normal, it was happening and it always will. There is no problem with it. Satoshi predicted this and said it is perfectly fine as lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more...


So if bitcoin becomes a primarily store-of-value coin, or if an altcoin that pops up in the future decides to make itself primarily for the use of storing value, will the amount of transactions be able to support miners, when the block reward drops off, and only transaction fees are left? If not enough transactions happen, what will happen to the network security? Will the big players spend their own money to secure the network to make sure the value they have in the coin is safe? Or will transaction fees be very high? Or will the network be vulnerable?

I think my questions in the OP were very clear; I don't know why people keep trying to misinterpret it.
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Op, so are you worried about that Bitcoin could in the future become deflationary spiral, because we have finite coins plus lost coins means deflationary spiral - some people seem to think that way.
Is that your problem? First and foremost I am not sure what is the deal with lost bitcoins, it is normal, it was happening and it always will. There is no problem with it. Satoshi predicted this and said it is perfectly fine as lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more...
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DMD Diamond price went up 10% in less then 24 hours and it will continue to rise IMHO.

So this coin s going to be the best example how store of value coin can be successful. True, it takes a very active team behind it to do so as well.
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If bitcoin has mass circulation and price remains stable, bitcoin can fulfill a store-of-value function. The key question is for how long.

Gold is a store-of-value commodity and its price can also fluctuate tremendously too over the years. We cannot discard bitcoin has a store-of-value purely by its volatility. I believe future demand is a crucial factor. No one can be sure about the demand for bitcoin in a few years.




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@Snail: what's the intrinsic value of gold? And yet it keeps keeping up with inflation.

Gold have little intrinsic value indeed. It's is just psychology, social consensus and most importantly tradition. Gold have been currency for nearly three thousand years so ppl traditionally think it has a great value on it's own (rarity, looks nice, etc). BTC have no such tradition, the social consensus isn't widespread enough yet, and because of volatility and the lot's of scams psychology even working against it.

Yes, scam and ponzies are the biggest enemy of Bitcoin. So many good people have left this industry due to human scum ripping them off.

The biggest enemy for bitcoin (as all the other things) is the "ignorance". If you don't know something you will know how to do it so at the end you will fail and not succed to do that thing. The scam and ponzi schemes are only a little part in the bitcoin ecosystem, and it is not that the problem.

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@Snail: what's the intrinsic value of gold? And yet it keeps keeping up with inflation.

Gold have little intrinsic value indeed. It's is just psychology, social consensus and most importantly tradition. Gold have been currency for nearly three thousand years so ppl traditionally think it has a great value on it's own (rarity, looks nice, etc). BTC have no such tradition, the social consensus isn't widespread enough yet, and because of volatility and the lot's of scams psychology even working against it.

Yes, scam and ponzies are the biggest enemy of Bitcoin. So many good people have left this industry due to human scum ripping them off.
legendary
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Can a coin that is primarily a store-of-value succeed?

In short, no. Something that has no utility ultimately has no value, and something with no value cannot be a "store of value".

Bitcoin's utility as a medium of exchange gives it value, so it can be a "store of value".

Gold has some utility as a component of jewelry and some industrial uses. In the past, it had utility as a medium of exchange, but not as much now. Its utility is what gives it its value and the ability to be a "store of value". In my opinion, its current value is overblown because its utility as a medium of exchange is so much less now. Without that utility, its current value cannot be supported in the long run.
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