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Topic: Can all Government Functions be Replaced by Peer to Peer? (Read 2546 times)

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This is who we are.
All 7 billion people in this world have the right to provide security with their value.  Inalienable right that human across the world share in a good respecting peoples
I would not go quite as far to say this is an Inalienable right.
Some rights given by God should not ever be quantified with the languages of (wo)men
hero member
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P2p govs sound good! But the p2p currency is not perfect yet. A lot of issues are coming out and wait to fix up. Still not applicable to other areas.
P2P government would not work. There are way too many people who are misinformed and easily manipulated. Just look at all the scams that happen with bitcoin being money. Now just imagine what kind of scams would happen when laws would be at stake.

Agree, direct democracy will be a shambles if it is ever implemented.

Would be interesting to see what would happen if the public is presented with a budget that had to balance, it would expose democracy for the failure that it is- people would be pitting themselves against each other to keep/steal resources.

I would be shocked to see it *truly* implemented in a large western nation, I expect the normies may be aloud to decide on really important things like forcing religious institutions to accept views untenable to them but things like tax and national debt will be off limits to the unwashed.
It is really not possible to have a "true" democracy when the people gets to vote on every little detail. What we have is a lot better when we elect representatives to vote on our behalf.
legendary
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The balance is in letting the tax cattle believe they are free enough so they keep producing to support the myriad parasite classes.
+1
legendary
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bigtimespaghetti.com
P2p govs sound good! But the p2p currency is not perfect yet. A lot of issues are coming out and wait to fix up. Still not applicable to other areas.
P2P government would not work. There are way too many people who are misinformed and easily manipulated. Just look at all the scams that happen with bitcoin being money. Now just imagine what kind of scams would happen when laws would be at stake.

Agree, direct democracy will be a shambles if it is ever implemented.

Would be interesting to see what would happen if the public is presented with a budget that had to balance, it would expose democracy for the failure that it is- people would be pitting themselves against each other to keep/steal resources.

I would be shocked to see it *truly* implemented in a large western nation, I expect the normies may be aloud to decide on really important things like forcing religious institutions to accept views untenable to them but things like tax and national debt will be off limits to the unwashed.
hero member
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P2p govs sound good! But the p2p currency is not perfect yet. A lot of issues are coming out and wait to fix up. Still not applicable to other areas.
P2P government would not work. There are way too many people who are misinformed and easily manipulated. Just look at all the scams that happen with bitcoin being money. Now just imagine what kind of scams would happen when laws would be at stake.
legendary
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I think that they could be replaced, but there would be some issues without a governing authority, such as child slavery, black markets, slavery in general, etc. In some ways, P2P government wouldn't be bad. However, thing like law enforcement would turn into bounty jobs, so there would be a sudden increase in either bounty hunters or mercenaries.

For other government functions, however, it could be good or bad. No president = anarchy, so you see what the issue becomes pretty quickly...

Those are still issues with a governing authority; in fact, black markets are more popular than ever, there's several based on bitcoin going on right now.  In fact, black markets exist only because government attempts to force people to not buy certain items; without them, there would be no problem, all "shady" businesses come to the light and are far less dangerous that way.  Furthermore, slavery was only profitable because government socialized the cost of capturing slaves; when governments stopped doing this, slavery ended very quickly.  While slavery is still a problem in some areas, the fact that it's still a problem, despite all this government entering our lives, means that it's going to continue to be a problem with or without government.

Law enforcement is a government-created institution; in its place would be defense agencies which literally do serve and protect, unlike the ones we have now.  And it's false that no president = anarchy, it's no state = anarchy; you can still have a president in an anarchic system, you just wouldn't force him on people who don't want him as their president.  Consider the following video for more information on how it works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I

No. It cannot.

National security cannot be done in a peer to peer fashion. If this were to be even attempted the US and the world would be doomed.

Nationalism is inefficient; you can have local security, and militias, and fancy defensive weaponry very easily if people would stop forcing others to live under one federal roof.  You can't defend a whole nation without the state, but it's because of the state that people are subjected to a nation in the first place.  Furthermore, there is nothing a terrorist or another nation would want with a non-nation; there's nothing to conquer, no government to influence with terror, and no infrastructure to take over if an invasion occurred: the only thing that makes empire profitable is the fact that empires exist at all.
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All 7 billion people in this world have the right to provide security with their value.  Inalienable right that human across the world share in a good respecting peoples
I would not go quite as far to say this is an Inalienable right.
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No. It cannot.

National security cannot be done in a peer to peer fashion. If this were to be even attempted the US and the world would be doomed.
legendary
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P2p govs sound good! But the p2p currency is not perfect yet. A lot of issues are coming out and wait to fix up. Still not applicable to other areas.
hero member
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This is who we are.
All 7 billion people in this world have the right to provide security with their value.  Inalienable right that human across the world share in a good respecting peoples
hero member
Activity: 1223
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This is who we are.
I think that we should have self regulated society, where most things is decided by the free market and maybe government with very little functions like public health, foreign policy, monetary policy, army etc.
I can see a regulations market from government in the capacity of insurance.. I'm not worried about any of that
hero member
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This is who we are.
How the military could be replaced by p2p?

Military are a construct of governments. What do we need defense against? You would likely pay a company within a certain jurisdiction, to guarantee, within reason your safety, a little classier than mercenaries and likely more efficient than a bloated standing army.

I boggles my mind to think of the amazing ways the free market could replace the role of government.
On the topic of private militaries; Private Military Corporations? What about those that already exist, like G2S or Blackwater? What would happen to them?

But I agree 100%, the free market would be able to replace a lot of government roles.
I've played with private contractors.  They drop ya w 2 shots and don't ask pls.. im not sure I can pay them the amount of money they need.  If you like killing people u should meet them.
legendary
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And what about basic research in the hard sciences?

All the world it is made mainly by the government, because it has no immediate applications and private corporations would lose their competitivity if they invest in basic research as much as the governments.
legendary
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How the military could be replaced by p2p?

Military are a construct of governments. What do we need defense against? You would likely pay a company within a certain jurisdiction, to guarantee, within reason your safety, a little classier than mercenaries and likely more efficient than a bloated standing army.

I boggles my mind to think of the amazing ways the free market could replace the role of government.
On the topic of private militaries; Private Military Corporations? What about those that already exist, like G2S or Blackwater? What would happen to them?

But I agree 100%, the free market would be able to replace a lot of government roles.
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What Anarchy Isn't https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMoPBDz5ycA

Military is only required for governments to fight each other or their citizens do away with governments and you do away with war, the problem is a chicken and an egg how do you get rid of all governments. We have to gradually reduce them all. Make people more accountable and responsible for their actions, courts can still exist and security will be provided where necessary by the private sector. Euthereum and others are developing some interesting initiatives that will hopefully begin bringing this about.
hero member
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This is who we are.
How the military could be replaced by p2p?

Military are a construct of governments. What do we need defense against?

Against other governments that think disagree about their minimal role and the military is a waste of money?

Can't see p2p and private armies winning against a centralized governmental army.




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legendary
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How the military could be replaced by p2p?

Military are a construct of governments. What do we need defense against?

Against other governments that think disagree about their minimal role and the military is a waste of money?

Can't see p2p and private armies winning against a centralized governmental army.


legendary
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bigtimespaghetti.com
I think that we should have self regulated society, where most things is decided by the free market and maybe government with very little functions like public health, foreign policy, monetary policy, army etc.

Tried that a couple hundred years back... The Us has the largest government in the world now. So much for small government! ;-)

Plus your parameters are not free market? Health? Foreign policy?
legendary
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bigtimespaghetti.com
How the military could be replaced by p2p?

Military are a construct of governments. What do we need defense against? You would likely pay a company within a certain jurisdiction, to guarantee, within reason your safety, a little classier than mercenaries and likely more efficient than a bloated standing army.

I boggles my mind to think of the amazing ways the free market could replace the role of government.
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1000
How the military could be replaced by p2p?
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