Topic: Can anyone having the expertise, check out this claim! - page 2. (Read 475 times)

Computationally demanding?   Assuming a reasonably large chunk of data being hashed, brute forcing is effectively impossible. There just isn't enough energy generated on the earth to try all possibilities. "Reversing" the hash is not something that an S9 (or anything else for that matter) is capable of.


The ethical implication is that he is using the greed and lack of knowledge of others to take advantage of them and enrich himself.

Ooooh! A legal disclaimer.  Makes it sound important, and like he's somehow protecting himself from how YOU choose to use the "knowledge" he gives. I must say, if I were going to try to scam someone, I'd DEFINITELY use a disclaimer like this.

Oh my! He wrote some numbers. They must be meaningful and legitimate. It would be impossible to just make those up.

Oh fun! He repeated his disclaimer. I suppose this is just in case people didn't notice it the first time?

Link to the code please?  Should be able to determine pretty quickly what it actually does. Then, once you have the code, if it is determined to do what is claimed (it won't) then I suppose we can just run that code directly? We shouldn't need to acquire any binaries or executables or other files directly from them, right? Right?

Uh oh! It seems he may have accidentally leaked his real identity! Now we all know that this software was created by the amazing Peter Parker! A brilliant mind with unimpeachable integrity.


He's counting on the fact that many people mistakenly believe that bitcoin "mining" is "cracking hashes". It isn't. But since most people unfortunately hear it described as a "puzzle" that involves "finding the right hash" it's easy to see why they'd misunderstand. So, if someone hears that "provably fair" gambling games use "hashes" for the proof, AND they already believe that mining with an S9 is just "cracking hashes", then he's hoping that there's just enough confusion there for those that already participate in gambling to feel the gamble that this just might work is worth the wager they have to pay to find out.

Unfortunately, the house edge, or "vig", on this wager is 100%.

The world doesn't operate on your timetable.
Also, it's the responsibility of each individual to do their own due dilligence before engaging with someone making such a ridiculous presentation. People will believe what they want to believe and anyone that's already interacting with this person in a positive way is not going to want to hear or believe anything they are told about the technical aspects. This scam was never about the technical details (which is why there aren't any actual verifiable details). It was only ever about selling false hope to those that have already demonstrated a willingness to "take a chance" and are either gullible or desperate.

Scammers have existed for as long as humans have been interacting. They will continue to exist for as long as we continue to interact. There will always be people that will fall for it.

This does not surprise me. Scammers will scam. People will be victims. I can educate those that WANT to be educated, but I can't force knowledge into anybody's brain and there are no "ethical police" on this forum.


If you believe it can be changed, then change it.  Good luck.

Note: if there is a poorly designed game out there, that operates the way the scammer is suggesting AND which uses insufficient entropy for their "seed", then it would be possible to cheat in the way that he suggests.  Any such game would very quickly go broke, so it wouldn't last beyond the first day that someone notices this fact about the game.

I have the same thoughts. But he was saying something like this

And then when you see a comment from an established member who thought that this might be for creating a new genre of games,

and


It gets super confusing.
That is why I posted here.

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Really!
I was expecting a quick, technically sound refutation of audacious claims made by ProphetDice. It is not good for many as they can easily be manipulated by believing in it. This is not good.

Edit:

I can see many new untrained players (especially from the gambling section) falling for this as the discussion overall has a positive vibe toward OP. This needs to be changed.

Not to mention the other part.
Install this firmware on your miner, what could possibly go wrong, you do like bots on your network right?

And why the S9 there are newer / faster / better things out there.

And so on.

-Dave

You could only bruteforce the preimage of a hash if the preimage itself had shitty entropy. I don't know more technical details to refute anything directly, but you can assume it's a scam since no one would ever sell such a method. They would simply use it and take 100% of the money themselves.

There is a user, ProphetDice who is claiming that Antminer S9 can be used for exploiting provably fair dice games by somehow predicting the outcome. You can read the full topic here.
I told him to move his topic here so that members with proper expertise can have a look but he insisted that it has to be on gambling discussion (honestly sketchy response). When I asked him a simple question, he came up with some posts loaded with jargon.  It looks more suspicious when he is indicating to his telegram channel.
Please any knowledgeable member check the validity of his claims.