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legendary
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December 04, 2014, 01:24:51 PM
#34
Just thinking... We are in a bearish market for almost a year now. Can we sustain another 10x price increase in 2015? Or are those days gone forever?

I can't see anything good in the market right now. All good news have no effect on the price, which stagnates for about 2 weeks.

Almost everything is good in the market right now, predicting when bitcoin will make its jump is very hard, if it was easy everyone would know when to buy in.  Not only do i think x10 will happen but i can see us doing another double movement like from $10-$266 and then $100 - $1000.

The next bubble will be insanity that we've not seen before.
sr. member
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December 04, 2014, 12:04:32 PM
#33
It's not a question of IF, but WHEN.
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December 04, 2014, 08:02:42 AM
#32
Bitcoin 10x price increase,maybe not in 2015.but i hope that's will happen to bitcoin
legendary
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December 04, 2014, 07:25:48 AM
#31
We're at $5 billion market cap at the moment, only a few percent of that is floating around exchanges, say roughly $100 million. The central banks of the US, Europe, China and Japan are printing more that $1 trillion a year at the moment which is flowing into the usual commercial banks and abstract market instruments.

IF (note the big if) 1% of that went onto bitcoin exchanges, that would be $10 billion, or 100x the cash currently on exchanges, which would produce a, roughly, 100x increase in e price. That's just the hot money flowing around at the moment. The money exists, it just doesn't want anything to do with bitcoin at the moment. We'd need some major inflation or another credit crisis to get them interested, I suspect. Japan may end up delivering for us in not so long.

I'm not that much of an uber bull, but the possibility does exist.

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Atdhe Nuhiu
December 04, 2014, 05:21:53 AM
#30
Bitcoin exchange needs either hard cash or authority backing the transaction.

Since the authority can be only multibillion corporation, who does not want to be scapegoat for gvnmt, this option is closed.

So what remains except bank transfers that are almost hard cash? Localbitcoins maybe. Everything else ends in man in the middle scam.

Btw. as relatively new user I can say the bank wire is not the hardest part. The hardest part for normal human is the core. Weird addresses, many new weird terms...
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December 04, 2014, 04:47:27 AM
#29
I think it could, given that the supply of relatively cheap coins will start to dry up once the Silk Road coins are auctioned off and also that the effects of the Mt.Gox debacle seem to be waning. It would also be a matter of making sure there is an easy adoption for the not-so-hardcore users out there, be it an automated exchange app for day-to-day purchases and so on, instead of people having to mess around with first mining or exchanging them via bank transfers. If it's too hard or too much of a hassle for someone to do this, a lot of people will not bother.

TL;DR Ease of use and exchange will be the key to a 10x price increase.
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Atdhe Nuhiu
December 04, 2014, 03:01:01 AM
#28
Trolling and jokes apart, the amount of money required to pump the price 10 times higher, and sustain it against heavy selling, is staggering. It was easier when the markets were less mature. But now... it can't be done by an handful of individuals. We'll have to wait for systemic demand, like when people are paid in bitcoin for their work and can spend bitcoin for their needs.
There is enough money on markets. QE is digging a grave for the old currency here. But the money are the second step. We need more good news and real business. Also doesnot helpwhen many of the BTC community are simply lazy guys who never did nothing and w8 for 1m/btc. People with money will never believe naive leftists who chase revoltion that will never occur.

So when the value will be seen in BTC, the money will be found at corporations or at markets. When 1st central bank will buy BTC the increase will be bigger than 1yr ago. But that is nowhere close. For now it would be really good if all junkies would use darkmarkets, because it is huge market and on the other side if the fancy-good-for-nothing BTC projects would continue to rise VC and create at least nicer face of BTC.
legendary
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December 04, 2014, 02:38:02 AM
#27
May takeanother yr to weed out noobs
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December 04, 2014, 02:31:20 AM
#26
I expect the price of bitcoin not increasing too much before I can buy a lot.
legendary
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December 04, 2014, 02:18:50 AM
#25
It's possible but it's not probable..
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December 04, 2014, 12:24:18 AM
#24
Trolling and jokes apart, the amount of money required to pump the price 10 times higher, and sustain it against heavy selling, is staggering. It was easier when the markets were less mature. But now... it can't be done by an handful of individuals. We'll have to wait for systemic demand, like when people are paid in bitcoin for their work and can spend bitcoin for their needs.

It's staggering how far the amount of money involved has already come. A few years ago I would not have believed today's cap could be reached.

The problem is humans mentally adjust to a "normal" price.  If you had asked me if Bitcoins would ever hit $100 when they slumped to $5 range for almost a year after hitting $26 I would have laughed "HAH!".  Compared to any of the richest people in the world, the BTC market is still an infant.  

People are thinking of BTC like stock these days.  $370 per share, 21million shares.   Compare that to Apple with nearly 6 BILLION shares outstanding!

Now consider what an entire currency is worth.  Bitcoin can't be split.  The only option is for the value to increase.  The problem is once we got past the previous ~$1100 high, it will really be completely unknown territory again and its anyone's guess where we will eventually land before it crashes back down.  If I had to guess?  ~$10K peak crashing back down to $2500.  

What we are missing today however is a killer app for Bitcoin.  Once consumer demand starts to match retailer demand the snowball will make today's prices... well seem like $5 again!

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December 03, 2014, 06:27:35 PM
#23
Trolling and jokes apart, the amount of money required to pump the price 10 times higher, and sustain it against heavy selling, is staggering. It was easier when the markets were less mature. But now... it can't be done by an handful of individuals. We'll have to wait for systemic demand, like when people are paid in bitcoin for their work and can spend bitcoin for their needs.

It's staggering how far the amount of money involved has already come. A few years ago I would not have believed today's cap could be reached.
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playing pasta and eating mandolinos
December 03, 2014, 06:13:41 PM
#22
Trolling and jokes apart, the amount of money required to pump the price 10 times higher, and sustain it against heavy selling, is staggering. It was easier when the markets were less mature. But now... it can't be done by an handful of individuals. We'll have to wait for systemic demand, like when people are paid in bitcoin for their work and can spend bitcoin for their needs.
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December 03, 2014, 04:41:24 PM
#21




You'll be OK, fake fonzie.  Just hold on tight to your BTCeanie BTCabies Bitcoinz Cheesy
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December 03, 2014, 04:36:56 PM
#20
,,,
Ignoring the fact that the original $5mil uncle story was as real as the one I made up, ...

Point made or not, the uncle has $5mil and you are just a poor schmuck that spends his ENTIRE day on a Bitcoin forum.


Some stupid response in 3...2....1....

Get back 2 digging ditches, or lrn 2 read Smiley



*Though your wacky antics will not convince anyone to keep holding this fail, they allow Bitcoin to continue being an excellent store of value.
Lel value Cool

I know what you wrote, you poor schmuck. Unbelievable how easily you can be lured in.  Grin

But we are going to have part ways here, will be putting you on ignore. It's just getting too boring.

One last tip, since you missed out on getting rich with bitcoin, try the following:
sr. member
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December 03, 2014, 04:11:51 PM
#19
,,,
Ignoring the fact that the original $5mil uncle story was as real as the one I made up, ...

Point made or not, the uncle has $5mil and you are just a poor schmuck that spends his ENTIRE day on a Bitcoin forum.


Some stupid response in 3...2....1....

Get back 2 digging ditches, or lrn 2 read Smiley



*Though your wacky antics will not convince anyone to keep holding this fail, they allow Bitcoin to continue being an excellent store of value.
Lel value Cool
full member
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December 03, 2014, 04:06:11 PM
#18
We will reach a $50 trillion dollar market cap and become the new wealthy elite once people find a reason to start using bitcoin. Are we any further in that regard than one year ago?

yes, because bitcoin infrastructure has increased.

Aren't miners leaving and difficulty is actually falling? Seems like the infrastructure is devolving, if anything. Of course, there are more exchanges out there than a year ago, but it seems like there still aren't really any clear incentives for ordinary people to buy bitcoins.
sr. member
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December 03, 2014, 04:00:03 PM
#17
My uncle made 5 million dollars investing in a local casino back in the 90's.  He believed in the business model and saw the value.  He regularly bought more shares as the price went down for unknown reasons.  At one point, he was down 90% and the only reason he held was there wasn't much to sell relative to his original investment.  He rode this roller coaster for 10 years until finally they received a takeover bid from Penn gaming in early 2000's.  It was extremely stressful but paid off in the end.

Making big money is NOT EASY.  It takes time.  You must try to identify something of value and keep on investing and HODL!! If you cant take the risk, go buy Walmart stock or Alcoa and get 5-7% a year.  If you wait for Bitcoin to become a SAFE investment, the real money will have been made already.

To make REAL money, you NEED RISK.

My uncle made 5 million dollars investing in lottery tickets back in the 90's.  He believed in the business model and saw the value.  He regularly bought more lottery tickets as he continued losing for unknown reasons.  At one point, he was down 90% and the only reason he kept buying lottery tickets was his degenerate gambling addiction.  He rode this roller coaster for 10 years until finally he bough a winning lottery ticket in early 2000's.  It was extremely stressful but paid off in the end...
To make REAL money, you NEED RISK.


To make real money, you have to know what you're doing.  What you are describing is called "gambling," and is a great way to lose money.

Buying into a business (like a casino) because you see its potential to grow is completely different from buying lottery tickets, which have a pre-determined value that does not change over time.


Ignoring the fact that the original $5mil uncle story was as real as the one I made up, holding a clearly failing stock & doubling down is actually dumber than "investing" in lottery tickets.
Regardless of whether the "uncle" made $5mil, or lost it.
My point stands.

Point made or not, the uncle has $5mil and you are just a poor schmuck that spends his ENTIRE day on a Bitcoin forum.


Some stupid response in 3...2....1....
sr. member
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December 03, 2014, 03:46:03 PM
#16
My uncle made 5 million dollars investing in a local casino back in the 90's.  He believed in the business model and saw the value.  He regularly bought more shares as the price went down for unknown reasons.  At one point, he was down 90% and the only reason he held was there wasn't much to sell relative to his original investment.  He rode this roller coaster for 10 years until finally they received a takeover bid from Penn gaming in early 2000's.  It was extremely stressful but paid off in the end.

Making big money is NOT EASY.  It takes time.  You must try to identify something of value and keep on investing and HODL!! If you cant take the risk, go buy Walmart stock or Alcoa and get 5-7% a year.  If you wait for Bitcoin to become a SAFE investment, the real money will have been made already.

To make REAL money, you NEED RISK.

My uncle made 5 million dollars investing in lottery tickets back in the 90's.  He believed in the business model and saw the value.  He regularly bought more lottery tickets as he continued losing for unknown reasons.  At one point, he was down 90% and the only reason he kept buying lottery tickets was his degenerate gambling addiction.  He rode this roller coaster for 10 years until finally he bough a winning lottery ticket in early 2000's.  It was extremely stressful but paid off in the end...
To make REAL money, you NEED RISK.


To make real money, you have to know what you're doing.  What you are describing is called "gambling," and is a great way to lose money.

Buying into a business (like a casino) because you see its potential to grow is completely different from buying lottery tickets, which have a pre-determined value that does not change over time.


Ignoring the fact that the original $5mil uncle story was as real as the one I made up, holding a clearly failing stock & doubling down is actually dumber than "investing" in lottery tickets.
Regardless of whether the "uncle" made $5mil, or lost it.
My point stands.
full member
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December 03, 2014, 03:42:59 PM
#15
We will reach a $50 trillion dollar market cap and become the new wealthy elite once people find a reason to start using bitcoin. Are we any further in that regard than one year ago?
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