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Quote from: mk4 on August 07, 2019, 08:57:53 PM

No one really knows because bitcoin has never been through a global recession as of yet.

Indeed, no one will know how the state of bitcoin when experiencing a global recession, but my opinion says bitcoin is able to survive in the crisis. Why? because at that time there will be many fundamentals even FOMO who say that bitcoin is a savior of the crisis so investors are flocking to buy bitcoin and bitcoin is back up during the crisis. But the problem is how long bitcoin will last with the crisis pump, surely there will be mass dumping afterwards.

Quote from: pawanjain on August 11, 2019, 11:31:11 AM

Can't really say about that. There are numerous possibilities. Bitcoin may or may not become the global coin in the next financial crisis.
Also, what if the big investors buy bitcoin and the price goes up but then whales sell their coins and dump bitcoin's price.
What if the whales are actually waiting for such a scenario to occur. That would seriously hurt investors' sentiments and beliefs over bitcoin.

Certainly such a scenario will exist, the whales have been holding bitcoin for a long time and are waiting for a crisis, then taking advantage of the pumps made by investors. But that won't affect the price of bitcoin if the strength of investors during the crisis is higher than this group of whales. And I don't think that all the popes will try this scenario, surely among them some will go with the flow.

I think that with such domination, the Whales, which is 70-80% of the market, will sell their Bitcoin and buy Altcoins.

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It's hard to say, because BTC will face the first real crisis in the world, I don't know how people will react, maybe they will trust in BTC to avoid the crisis, maybe they will put their money in traditional investments...

I don't know what to do if the crisis hit us, we have to be cautious and stay alert to the news to not lose money

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Quote from: mk4 on August 07, 2019, 08:57:53 PM

No one really knows because bitcoin has never been through a global recession as of yet.

Indeed, no one will know how the state of bitcoin when experiencing a global recession, but my opinion says bitcoin is able to survive in the crisis. Why? because at that time there will be many fundamentals even FOMO who say that bitcoin is a savior of the crisis so investors are flocking to buy bitcoin and bitcoin is back up during the crisis. But the problem is how long bitcoin will last with the crisis pump, surely there will be mass dumping afterwards.

Quote from: pawanjain on August 11, 2019, 11:31:11 AM

Can't really say about that. There are numerous possibilities. Bitcoin may or may not become the global coin in the next financial crisis.
Also, what if the big investors buy bitcoin and the price goes up but then whales sell their coins and dump bitcoin's price.
What if the whales are actually waiting for such a scenario to occur. That would seriously hurt investors' sentiments and beliefs over bitcoin.

Certainly such a scenario will exist, the whales have been holding bitcoin for a long time and are waiting for a crisis, then taking advantage of the pumps made by investors. But that won't affect the price of bitcoin if the strength of investors during the crisis is higher than this group of whales. And I don't think that all the popes will try this scenario, surely among them some will go with the flow.

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Quote from: Pepz79 on August 07, 2019, 04:12:51 PM

Recession indicators in the U.S. bond market just flashed their deepest warning signals since the period that led up to the 2008 financial crisis. Can bitcoin work as a safe haven and protect investors in the event of a U.S. recession?

https://bitcoinist.com/inverted-yield-curve-signals-u-s-recession-can-bitcoin-save-investors/

Well it could help, but that is if the government too has accepted it and regulated it before the recession, which mean they will accept that Bitcoin can be spend as a currency and would not depend on dollar for merchants, financial institutions and other concerned agencies to use it. The recession we are talking about will mostly affect their fiat currency, and a weakened coin cannot be boosted by bitcoin.

I think United State government needs to really start looking into the adoption of bitcoin right now as I feel that their recession is fast approaching, and if care is not taken and put measures in place, this recession could really be a very bad one for them because it could take a whole lots of time for them to come out of it if they leave it uncontrolled.

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Quote from: pawanjain on August 11, 2019, 11:31:11 AM

Can't really say about that. There are numerous possibilities. Bitcoin may or may not become the global coin in the next financial crisis.
Also, what if the big investors buy bitcoin and the price goes up but then whales sell their coins and dump bitcoin's price.
What if the whales are actually waiting for such a scenario to occur. That would seriously hurt investors' sentiments and beliefs over bitcoin.

Even now, bitcoin wasn't the global coin because some of the government restrict the use of cryptocurrency in their country but still it manages to be on the top and you can make a profit with an average amount of knowledge in trading.

Just let's be positive, in reality, it really helps the investors. So for now, let's don't think about the negative possibilities in the future. We don't know the actual scene of bitcoin that become worthless.

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Can't really say about that. There are numerous possibilities. Bitcoin may or may not become the global coin in the next financial crisis.
Also, what if the big investors buy bitcoin and the price goes up but then whales sell their coins and dump bitcoin's price.
What if the whales are actually waiting for such a scenario to occur. That would seriously hurt investors' sentiments and beliefs over bitcoin.

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Obviously yes, Bitcoin was one of the most promising cryptocurrencies in the world and we have the assurance that it will lead and make our profit. Bitcoin can literally save us, not only investors but most of the platforms that depend on bitcoin.

As long as the community is still around, bitcoin will always save us.

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Quote from: Pepz79 on August 07, 2019, 04:12:51 PM

Recession indicators in the U.S. bond market just flashed their deepest warning signals since the period that led up to the 2008 financial crisis. Can bitcoin work as a safe haven and protect investors in the event of a U.S. recession?

https://bitcoinist.com/inverted-yield-curve-signals-u-s-recession-can-bitcoin-save-investors/

While the bond market is leaning towards a crisis similar to the one we had in 2008 and there've been enough articles and videos about it, it not disputable whether Bitcoin is an additional risk or a savior. I believe in Bitcoin, and I think that it has the potential to save the economy once major fiat currencies crash (and I believe the next economic crisis will be about this). However, investors are a different bunch of people, and I would not want them to get involved with Bitcoin. Investors care only about profits, they don't value the technology or use cases. And it reinstates that Bitcoin is an investment opportunity, rather than money, leading, among other things, to serious taxes.

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Well, it could be pending the time the recession is over, but during the recession, I am not so sure that bitcoin could be a safe haven to them because most of them is holding bitcoin for dollar purpose and not for bitcoin purpose, unless we bitcoin become global currency where we have businesses accepting more of bitcoin, that is the only time it can become a safe haven to them, otherwise, they can only use the bitcoin to protect their fiat pending when the recession is over.

I am unsure if we will see any recession, I think this recession of a thing is just being over exaggerated because most countries especially United State is aware of recession and I am sure that they are doing everything possible right now to avoid the recession from taken effect on their economy.

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It might, it might not.
One of the many things why many Bitcoin investors are advocating for Bitcoin is because they believe it will help to resolve a situation like this such as in time of inflation and others.
So since Bitcoin has not witnessed anything related to that, it is hard to tell.
We can only hold on to high chances like this.

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I think it can save and investors are started to see Bitcoin as a safe haven. Because It does not follow S&P or any other market prices. In a addition to this when tech companies had a loss of 160 million, Bitcoin price went up by %8 percent. There are also investors and politicians who are really biased against the bitcoin and talking negatively but it does not matter because it will not change the fact that people talking about Bitcoin a lot, good or bad. US stocks sank on recession fears and people are worried and they already exposed to risk so I think that`s why Bitcoin is eligible as a safe haven.

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Bitcoin is not affected by recession as it's simply a case of demand and supply. We have a very low supply, should recession set into the US stock market, traders might want to trade the bitcoin to make more money and recover losses. This will bring more liquidity to the bitcoin market and force the price to shoot higher. The volatility will then increase, which is good for traders.

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Quote from: Pepz79 on August 07, 2019, 04:12:51 PM

Recession indicators in the U.S. bond market just flashed their deepest warning signals since the period that led up to the 2008 financial crisis. Can bitcoin work as a safe haven and protect investors in the event of a U.S. recession?

https://bitcoinist.com/inverted-yield-curve-signals-u-s-recession-can-bitcoin-save-investors/

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this has been discussed many times before. and my conclusion based on the comments is that it is not possible to predict which way things are going to go in case of another global financial crisis. some say bitcoin can follow the rest down and some say bitcoin can go in the opposite direction.

i personally believe that it can be either an upward move or no move at all. bitcoin has always been independent of other assets and have not really taken effect from any major incidents that affects other assets. it is a beast moving on its own. and that "being on its own" can be an important factor in case people were trying to choose an alternative way of trying to save their money's worth.

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Quote from: Pepz79 on August 07, 2019, 04:12:51 PM

Recession indicators in the U.S. bond market just flashed their deepest warning signals since the period that led up to the 2008 financial crisis. Can bitcoin work as a safe haven and protect investors in the event of a U.S. recession?

https://bitcoinist.com/inverted-yield-curve-signals-u-s-recession-can-bitcoin-save-investors/

It has been proven time and again that the value of Bitcoin does not have a correlation to the values of bonds and stocks and fiat. With this, I think it is very much possible that investors will sort of hide their money into Bitcoin if the bond market will face another huge financial crisis like the one that happened in 2008. The track record of Bitcoin may show some bad days but it does not behave the way the traditional market does.

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No one really knows because bitcoin has never been through a global recession as of yet.

There are three possible scenarios here:

People move their money to bitcoin for a safe haven
People sell their bitcoin for cash because they need money
More of 50-50 between the two

I'm more leaning towards the second though. While it completely makes sense to hold bitcoin in an economic crisis, let's not forget that a lot of people holding bitcoin are holding it to "get rich quick", not knowing what it's for in the first place. So it's safe to assume there will be a lot of fear from these people.

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Quote from: LeGaulois on August 07, 2019, 05:20:54 PM

Quote from: bitmover on August 07, 2019, 04:49:53 PM

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I think actually we can say thanks to Trump. If he can't MAGA at least he can MBGA. Grin

How many days since Trump tweet his infamous anti-Bitcoin (or lack thereof)? Grin

Second, the effect of the US-China may have forced the price of Bitcoin even higher, Yuan devalued, those factors are critical and it's possible that wealthy Chinese as putting some of their money on the market as well.

But it's too early to say if Bitcoin can really save investors. The market is fairly young and we still don't know if investors are going to hedge to Gold or precious metals or digital currency such as Bitcoin.

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I've heard that Bitcoin could save some investors. China and Russia are planning to ditch dollars and that the incoming recession is happening soon in the future. If it were to really happen, Bitcoin could have some impact to those investors as Bitcoin doesn't have any connection to US. Bitcoin is an independent cryptocurrency.

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Quote from: Pepz79 on August 07, 2019, 04:12:51 PM

Recession indicators in the U.S. bond market just flashed their deepest warning signals since the period that led up to the 2008 financial crisis. Can bitcoin work as a safe haven and protect investors in the event of a U.S. recession?

https://bitcoinist.com/inverted-yield-curve-signals-u-s-recession-can-bitcoin-save-investors/

If they will choose bitcoin then its good for everyone here, and I think bitcoin can really help them. If the market of U.S goes to recession for sure, Asian countries will be affected as well. If you see this thing coming better to be prepared and start putting your money on bitcoin, this can be a safe haven for all of us. The price of bitcoin will go higher, and I'm confident about this prediction because stock market are slowly dumping.

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Quote from: LeGaulois on August 07, 2019, 05:20:54 PM

- The white house freezing Venezuela government assets in the US and the LBC trading volume increased in the country

and voilà! 30% easily Grin

The gold chart is also ringing the bells by the way

As for saying Bitcoin can save investors, I'm not sure if we can say it because the risk is still here

That could only result in slight bumping of oil price, but not by much. Venezuela has lost its production due to mismanagement over the past few years, its currently under 33% capacity at best guestimates. Losing Citgo is pretty much neutral at this point, as Citgo was mainly buying non Venezuelan oil anyway and pretty much running in red, subsidized by Venezuela. The rest is the politicians ill gotten money and properties.

This has probably zero impact in the global economy, not even in America's economy, unless you think Citgo is THAT important. Well that should teach Maduro giving Trump half million dollars (using said company) when he was elected. Fool, less thing a rich man wants is even more money, especially dirty money, serves them right.

Bitcoin can save investors, like many more assets can. Thing is, being smart about it and knowing what they are getting into. If you flee to gold after everyone else had, meaning high price, it make take years to recover.

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