Topic: Can Bitcointalk Adopt the Web3 System? (Read 427 times)

Quote from: PytagoraZ on June 30, 2023, 06:11:47 AM

That's true. But, when it comes to a forum platform like bitcointalk.org, this fact doesn't really have much relevance. Sure, you might see some buying and selling happening on the forum, but it's not the main thing people are here for.

Yes I agree with you again. Indeed bitcointalk is not compatible with the web3 system because it is not a marketplace. But maybe bitcointalk needs to innovate a bit, either using web3 or some other innovation

Actually new forum software called EpochTalk is in development, but who knows when it's ready to use.

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on June 29, 2023, 11:57:35 PM

Actually new forum software called EpochTalk is in development, but who knows when it's ready to use.

Are you serious? this seems good news. Can you describe some of the advantages of the EpochTalk software

Hey, if you wanna know all about it, just head over to the dedicated board: "New forum software."
Or you can visit the software's github page: https://github.com/epochtalk/epochtalk. You'll find all the info you need right there.

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Jolly? I think I've heard that name before. hmm

Quote from: ABCbits on June 30, 2023, 05:15:51 AM

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on June 29, 2023, 06:01:08 PM

This forum existed before web3 was even a thing. web3 login isn't a feature most bitcoiners are interested in so it might not be worth the cost of redesigning this forum to adopt these features. There would also be privacy concerns. A wallet which has access to your xpub would be able to tie your transaction history with your identity on this forum.

At least for privacy concern, creating separate wallet only for login purpose should reduce the concern.

yeah, looks like they're too scared to connect the wallet. Although they can link an alt wallet instead of the main wallet.

Quote from: PytagoraZ on June 29, 2023, 11:57:35 PM

Actually new forum software called EpochTalk is in development, but who knows when it's ready to use.

Are you serious? this seems good news. Can you describe some of the advantages of the EpochTalk software

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Jolly? I think I've heard that name before. hmm

If by "dominate," you're referring to market capitalization, I think your argument might be a bit misleading. Firstly, as per the current data from CMC, Bitcoin's dominance is once again above 50%. Secondly, market capitalization doesn't really reflect the number of members in the crypto community. So I don't know how you came to the conclusion that 53% of the crypto community "was born from altcoins". Besides, it's not an either-or situation. Many people in the crypto world hold both Bitcoin and altcoins in their portfolios simultaneously.

This is the data displayed by the blockchir site

However, even though 53% of the crypto market is controlled by altcoins, this figure is too small because very many altcoins are only able to control 53% of the market, while bitcoin itself is able to control 48%. Of course the bitcoin community is the best but I don't like it when altcoins are seen as not contributing to the crypto world in general

But overall I like your statement, and I admit mine is weak

Quote from: _act_ on June 25, 2023, 10:43:27 AM

That's true. But, when it comes to a forum platform like bitcointalk.org, this fact doesn't really have much relevance. Sure, you might see some buying and selling happening on the forum, but it's not the main thing people are here for.

Yes I agree with you again. Indeed bitcointalk is not compatible with the web3 system because it is not a marketplace. But maybe bitcointalk needs to innovate a bit, either using web3 or some other innovation

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This forum existed before web3 was even a thing. web3 login isn't a feature most bitcoiners are interested in so it might not be worth the cost of redesigning this forum to adopt these features. There would also be privacy concerns. A wallet which has access to your xpub would be able to tie your transaction history with your identity on this forum.

Web3 login is not what is possible yet for bitcoin wallets, there is no bitcoin wallet using web3 for bitcoin because web3 is not in bitcoin protocol and likely will not be there.

Web 3 has been possible for several years already. Most lightning wallets support web3 features. Bitrefill is one of several sites which allows you to create an account using your lightning wallet.

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on June 27, 2023, 11:46:04 PM

That's true. But, when it comes to a forum platform like bitcointalk.org, this fact doesn't really have much relevance. Sure, you might see some buying and selling happening on the forum, but it's not the main thing people are here for.

The forum was not created as an exchange and will not turn to be like such. Building a trading platform requires more resources for security but two biggest reasons except security, Bitcointalk forum will not turn into such a trading platform are

Initially, it was a platform for exchange of ideas, discussions
It has enough treasuries to operate without need for further donation and surely does not need money from trading fee as a trading platform

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on June 27, 2023, 11:46:04 PM

I am not interested at all in this and I don't want to connect any wallets with my bitcointalk account, it is waste of time.
Web3 have nothing to do with bitcoin as far as I know, it's only related with worthless shitcoins and it doesn't have any real use case in real world.
If I want to make login in forum more secure I would only consider adding optional 2FA as improvement to current login system.

Yes, I know you hate altcoins, but they already dominate 53% of the crypto market. That means 53% of the crypto community was born from altcoins. Without altcoins, of course bitcoin is not as popular as it is now.

I wouldn't go as far as to say he hates altcoins entirely. It's more like he's not a big fan of the useless shitcoins that make up 99.99% of the altcoin market. As for the remaining 0.01%, he remains indifferent. I suspect that most of us here share a similar sentiment. Wink

If by "dominate," you're referring to market capitalization, I think your argument might be a bit misleading. Firstly, as per the current data from CMC, Bitcoin's dominance is once again above 50%. Secondly, market capitalization doesn't really reflect the number of members in the crypto community. So I don't know how you came to the conclusion that 53% of the crypto community "was born from altcoins". Besides, it's not an either-or situation. Many people in the crypto world hold both Bitcoin and altcoins in their portfolios simultaneously.

If in the future crypto is common to be a currency for shoping in online shop. Are you always going to stick your hard wallet to your laptop? I think it would be safer and easier if we put a little money in the extension wallet for shopping purposes. If you don't feel safe, you can just change the address.

When M-banking was first known, many people did not believe in its security, but now lazy people have to go to an ATM just to transfer money or check balances. The world is constantly changing and innovation is one way to survive change

That's true. But, when it comes to a forum platform like bitcointalk.org, this fact doesn't really have much relevance. Sure, you might see some buying and selling happening on the forum, but it's not the main thing people are here for.

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on June 25, 2023, 10:32:32 AM

Currently, it seems that sites that implement web3 technology are popular. This site connect wallet to login. Is it possible if bitcointalk also adopts such a system in the future? maybe it will be more interesting if we can log in with a bitcoin wallet

But I don't know if a bitcoin wallet can do something like that. most sites that adopt the web3 system use the ethereum network

If that can happen, the marketplace system will also be easier to use. I think the marketplace system here is too conventional. Not bad, but prone to fraud

I was enjoying a cup of coffee while browsing the forums. suddenly thought that question in my mind

Well that is probable actually. But for me personally it's a no. Implementing Web3 may change the fundamentals and purpose of bitcointalk. Yes it will be easier, but also be easier to those scammers who wants to take advantage those who are still learning. I also love this preface that looks classic for threads and forum. If it does, well we will cope to that change and I believe that will be a lot. In terms of security, web design, accounts, and threads.

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Quote from: LoyceV on June 27, 2023, 02:26:43 AM

Quote from: LoyceV on June 26, 2023, 05:01:44 AM

That's rich, coming from a centrally controlled premined shitcoin that sold out on it's Unique Selling Point the moment it benefited the creator and his rich friends.

I don't know truth of your statements but I try to imagine crypto ecosystem without ethereum and it appears really dull.

Maybe you should read up on the history of the biggest shitcoin before shilling or even touching it.

Maybe you should try to imagine crypto ecosystem without Ethereum as well? Oh wait, maybe no need to, as I think my presumption was right.

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Quote from: LoyceV on June 27, 2023, 02:26:43 AM

I presume you don't use ethereum dapps otherwise you would understand how cumbersome it would be to login with web2 login system in those.

So you're saying the shitcoin created something that can't be used without the shitcoin? Big surprise!

Let's look it up again:

Quote from: https://ethereum.org/en/dapps/

Dapps are a growing movement of applications that use Ethereum to disrupt business models or invent new ones.

This is literally the same BS as the ICO hype that made some people so much richer while many gullible people lost their money.
It hasn't "disrupted" anything. Look it up before still shilling for this 6 years later!

How's that? Ethereum brought smart contracts on which defi, nft, dexes, gaming, insurance protocols and other dapps rest on.

Web3 have nothing to do with bitcoin as far as I know, it's only related with worthless shitcoins and it doesn't have any real use case in real world..

Wow! Bitcointalk is really filled with Bitcoin maxis.

You seem like the typical shitcoin shill: attacking the messenger instead of responding to his post. I guess you can't show a real use case in the real world.

You are doing same, follow what you preach.

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Quote from: FatFork on June 26, 2023, 04:15:34 PM

I am not interested at all in this and I don't want to connect any wallets with my bitcointalk account, it is waste of time.
Web3 have nothing to do with bitcoin as far as I know, it's only related with worthless shitcoins and it doesn't have any real use case in real world.
If I want to make login in forum more secure I would only consider adding optional 2FA as improvement to current login system.

Yes, I know you hate altcoins, but they already dominate 53% of the crypto market. That means 53% of the crypto community was born from altcoins. Without altcoins, of course bitcoin is not as popular as it is now.

If in the future crypto is common to be a currency for shoping in online shop. Are you always going to stick your hard wallet to your laptop? I think it would be safer and easier if we put a little money in the extension wallet for shopping purposes. If you don't feel safe, you can just change the address.

When M-banking was first known, many people did not believe in its security, but now lazy people have to go to an ATM just to transfer money or check balances. The world is constantly changing and innovation is one way to survive change

Yes, Bitcoin is an advanced technological breakthrough for the future of digital currency and financial systems, it has nothing to do with logging into online forums and websites. Seriously, why would you want to link your wallet to your online forum profile? It just opens up a can of worms, exposing you to all sorts of risks. You don't want your financial assets out in the open for everyone to see, right? Plus, there are always potential threats such as hacking or phishing attacks.

I didn't paste my bitcoin address in my profile because it's empty and has nothing in it. If there's a bit of bitcoin maybe I'll put it in there. Yes, security issues always haunt bitcoin wallets. This is the weak point of crypto wallets, there is no way to fix a hacked wallet except by replacing it. In a bank service known as changing passwords, I think crypto should innovate on this issue

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Ideas like this often exist but it's not in accordance with the forum and bitcoin. maybe it's better if you make an offer this idea to the altcoin forum.

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I've been saying for some time now that it's pretty shocking nobody has developed a system for users to sign in using a signature from their public address. It goes a little against the anonymity desires of people who use this forum, but it's not like you couldn't just use a random public address that isn't used for anything else... If I were currently looking at developing something simple that would make a big difference in the community, I would develop a simple open source tool that could be added to websites as a login method via signed messaged from an address. I'm sure someone could whip something up in a night if they were motivated. Shocking it hasn't been done yet to my knowledge.

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The buzzword "web3" was invented by shitcoiners for shitcoiners to make them feel more important, likening themselves to HTML ("web 1.0") and MySpace ("web 2.0") OGs. Outside of all that crypto-scammery I've heard no one who really does "web" in a serious capacity (developers/designers/etc) calling it "web3" unironically.

So yes, Bitcointalk will absolutely do this right after KYC is implemented.

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Quote from: ABCbits on June 27, 2023, 05:30:48 AM

Actually it's matter of preferences. I find entering email address (which i already create and remember) faster and easier. In addition, you don't have to remember your password if you use online password manager.

It doesn't have to be online password manager, even offline password managers like KeePass can remember all your passwords, and they are much safer in my opinion.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on June 26, 2023, 08:48:11 PM

Quote from: PytagoraZ on June 25, 2023, 10:56:55 AM

Hi nwanda. I'm glad you commented on my thread. Maybe you're right, security is the top priority in this forum. And using web3 is still too vulnerable for now.

Admittedly I don't know much about web3, as I'm perpetually late to the party when it comes to new tech and becoming familiar with it, but if we're talking about something as simple as logging onto a discussion forum....why complicate it? It seems to me that even if there weren't security issues (and I'm just assuming there are based on what I'm reading), implementing a login function based on a link to a wallet would pose some privacy issues at the very least. And yeah, those could be avoided by people who know what they're doing, but again why take a simple procedure and introduce problems and complexity to it when it isn't needed?

Frankly I don't think bitcointalk as a website is ever going to grow out of its 2009 roots, either in appearance or in functionality. But me? I like it that way. Then again, 2009 seems like it was yesterday; to younger members I'm sure everything here seems like a throwback to another era, one in which they either weren't born in or were very young.

On the other hand, one thing I've learned in life is that nothing stays the same forever. Our beloved bitcointalk is bound to change sooner or later, web3 or no web3.

Exactly, I am not conversant with the web3 system also. If the web3 blockchain is okay then definitely Bitcointalk will also partake in it and since Bitcointalk is running a separate web ID, they can not just use another person blockchain to link theirs, they have to observe the system first before keying into the blockchain. The way Bitcointalk is running is good so there is no need for it to use web3. Linking Bitcointalk to another internet protocol/system or blockchain might affect a lot of things if the other site is not well secured. We don't want to hear that it was through linking Bitcointalk to another internet protocol that it was hacked. To avoid all that, let it run on it own.

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The forum doesn't make any profit nor does it pays any salary to its staff (Mods). Earlier it used to sell advertising space for maintaining the forum, now it has stopped. The forum software is an old version one and might not get updated in the future. Then why will the forum adopt to web3 standards. Although it would have been nice if it did adopt to web3 but, I don't see any reason for doing it. Without web3 everything is still running smoothly in the Marketplace.

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BitcoinTalk have not even been able to adopt a forum software that received ample funding (for whatever reason). I think that it would be highly unlikely and unreasonable to assume that it would adopt web3.

Can it? Probably. Will it? Probably not.

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on June 25, 2023, 10:32:32 AM

Currently, it seems that sites that implement web3 technology are popular.

Bitcointalk is known for being among the first to implement all popular innovations. #sarcasm

This forum is primarily not a service that makes money, nor does it represent any kind of market. That's why, for example, it doesn't need to present itself as the best web3 forum... It is enough to write bitcointalk and it is already clear what it is about.

I'm not sure what a shit token would contribute to this forum, apart from additional complications for logging in with a BTC address, especially for newcomers.

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on June 25, 2023, 10:32:32 AM

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Currently, it seems that sites that implement web3 technology are popular. This site connect wallet to login. Is it possible if bitcointalk also adopts such a system in the future? maybe it will be more interesting if we can log in with a bitcoin wallet

Email is more convenient though, since these days almost everyone have one in order to use some feature on their smartphone. Meanwhile new cryptocurrency user and some security-conscious person are unlikely to have hot wallet installed on their device.

I find creating wallet convenient, and it doesn't require any information to create one. Please don't blast saving of mnemonic and similar is hard thing to do.

Actually it's matter of preferences. I find entering email address (which i already create and remember) faster and easier. In addition, you don't have to remember your password if you use online password manager.

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Only if both buyer and seller agree to use escrow feature on Web3, which can be done without Web3 in first place.

Why would you not like it being automated? Although, I also think it's unnecessary for bitcointalk but still.

I doubt it can be automated when escrow need to verify buyer receive goods on expected condition. And in first place, many people would raise skepticism since many Web3 turned out to be either centralized or has questionable security.

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Quote from: LoyceV on June 26, 2023, 05:01:44 AM

That's rich, coming from a centrally controlled premined shitcoin that sold out on it's Unique Selling Point the moment it benefited the creator and his rich friends.

I don't know truth of your statements but I try to imagine crypto ecosystem without ethereum and it appears really dull.

Maybe you should read up on the history of the biggest shitcoin before shilling or even touching it.