Can Blockchain Technology stop Election Malpractice?

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Quote from: ampere on April 25, 2020, 05:27:16 AM

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No country will allow a third party to handle its election blockchain
Who then will create the blockchain ? is it the ruling party ? or its opponent? or private citizen ?

Yeah, that's the opposite of the idea. What's need is a multi -committee system were the composition consists of ruling party, opposition party, citizen etc. This will help to prevent unfair or shady acts by the members because they are from different group and with diverse ideologies.

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Quote from: joniboini on April 23, 2020, 05:05:39 AM

I also believe that e-voting is a bad idea, blockchain (or any jargon) included. Here's the thing, you can't make sure somebody vote without knowing their identity at one point or the other, and who knows what exactly happens in the machine or the code itself. It is difficult to trust the code especially if the government is the one who made it. Somebody can cast doubt over the machine and then everyone would start doubting the entire election itself.

Tom Scott made a good video about this (about e-voting in general but I believe the risk is the same)[1].

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkH2r-sNjQs

The world systems can't remain rigid that's why we have technology invented with the purpose of disrupting or upgrading the traditional systems.

In this case, I believe e-voting powered by Blockchain technology is possible if we have independent community that'll be in charge of the process. This committee should be evaluated by another body in order to achieve the goal of devoting...

Quote from: ampere on April 25, 2020, 05:27:16 AM

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No country will allow a third party to handle its election blockchain
Who then will create the blockchain ? is it the ruling party ? or its opponent? or private citizen ?

Yeah, that's the opposite of the idea. What's need is a multi -committee system were the composition consists of ruling party, opposition party, citizen etc. This will help to prevent unfair or shady acts by the members because they are from different group and with diverse ideologies.

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Using the blockchain technology for election cannot stop election malpractice; it will only promote it even further.
Even with modern ways of voting as witnessed in the USA with SSN; malpractice still happens.

To use the blockchain; you need everyone to be vast or have an idea about how it works;
secondly, you need to find means to made the blockchain independent from its creators which can be impossible.

No country will allow a third party to handle its election blockchain
Who then will create the blockchain ? is it the ruling party ? or its opponent? or private citizen ?

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I don't see how your idea solve anonymity & identity linked problem. Besides, relying on another database managed by government makes the whole idea useless since you need to trust government not to manipulate the database to manipulate the election.

Yeahh I know this is a bit too hard for you to understand because maybe I am not very clear explaining it.
At least this will make no one can do multiple votes and the voter identity will not be exposed because their address is only linked to a status whether it's true or false (already used or not).

I know this can work if at least we know how to make the other database cant be manipulated and transparent to people. We can make the "status of use" and the list of approved addresses separated into another database.
But for the national ID's database from the government, this is the only way to prevent the multiple votes problem.

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It will greatly help to combat the malpractice experienced in the democracy. With blockchain, true winners will emerge in every aspect since it is transparent and tamper-proof. I am looking towards that time that government will embraced blockchain to conduct election

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Hello everybody. I think that any technology for protecting election results invented by a person can also be deceived by a person. Any election company is a scam. For truly democratic elections, a high political culture is needed. When in the pre-election debate, the rivals use the technique of denigrating each other, like - a fool .., a fool himself. Here, no blockchain will help. I’m even afraid that God will come down to us as an observer for the elections; these devils in election commissions will still find a way to deceive.

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Quote from: Wenbing on April 23, 2020, 02:10:28 AM

My consideration is this:
I believe the blockchain technology can be applied in election processes, so that we can solve the problem with many elections malpractices such as hacking of election documents in developed countries and rigging of election results in developing countries.

But the bottleneck is this. How can we know exactly those that vote being that the addresses make people to be anonymous?

How can we solve this anonymous issue when applying this technology to election processes?

Kindly drop you opinion on this issue.

Blockchain and elections is not a new topic. In fact, there have even been serious talks over the years in different countries about considering implementing it (the country I remember is Russia with the primary election of some party). I think it should not be hard to implement (if you don't count the part where you have to make it user-friendly, ensure that people do vote and, most importantly, explain how this is actually a more accurate and definitely very safe way of counting the votes). It will be centralized and every vote has to be linked to an official ID number or something more sophisticated, ensuring that you have the right to vote). Your ID won't be public, it can be encrypted, but it will be inside of the system. I am not sure it's an efficient way to organize the election, but it might be something we get to see in the future.

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Basically, yes, but I am still wondering why not every country implements this on action. They are still using their own methods and keep on making the people believe how transparent and secured it is which is in fact for me, their action in that way already decreases their reputation. That is the reason why I don't vote when there is election. But with blockchain being used as the core backbone system for the election, I think it's time for me to believe that my vote has a power to elect someone I think is good.

In short, blockchain technology indeed, provides reputable election system.

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Quote from: Youghoor on April 23, 2020, 05:00:38 PM

Absolutely! I once read about a company which used blockchain technology in running an election and it was very successful and they even plan on taking it on a large scale. The transparency of blockchain distributed ledger and its immutability makes it absolutely ideal for things like voting where parties always try to rig the vote in their favour.

We really need disruption of the every world systems that have existed since the existence of humans in the same way bitcoin has or are already disrupting the monetary system.

Pls, kindly send the link to that article so we can also read about the success recorded by such country.

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Quote from: thirdkiller on April 24, 2020, 04:33:13 AM

I don't think this can really help, but rather it can become another tool for manipulating elections.

manipulating on a new system is something that is normal but later on it can be solved out and then that new system can now run better than compare to older ones . all we need here is trust and patience .

people always wanted to solve the problem on elections so this could be the way that we are waiting for . in the meantime blockchain is being tested out on other business or industries but not really on elections knowing that elections takes a long time to occur .

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I think it could help but it wouldn't quite easy and there is some other important concern . Government related anything is linked with you National ID card. So implement blockchain technology on election system first challenge is keep your identity anonymous which is most complicated. However it would solve by implement something like bitcoin technology (hash system). There should be separate card without number, but there will be like private key like Ledger nano and it could generated public key. Means private key won't visible to anyone including holder of this card. When this card will be entered on election machine then it will generate hash like public key and system will see this vote came from this public key. That's how we may stay anonymous but I am worried that abuser would create such as card unlimited and abuse whole system. We could solve issue about anonymous but we are unable to solve issue about abuse. So I believe current manual system is better than blockchain technology.

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That means government will know vote result of each citizens since their identity and vote result linked by ID.

It has serious implication if you live on country with dictator or militarism principle.

I don't know if this idea is already mentioned before or not. But what if we change it to be linked to a status such as approved or not approved?

So there will be another database with a list of national id including a status column where a value of true or false will be given and also a list of approved addresses.
And then every person will need to register their address and national id to a program that can set the value of national id status to true or false depending on whether it has been used or not and after that if the address has not been used then their address will be included to the list of approved addresses.

Quote from: joniboini on April 23, 2020, 05:05:39 AM

It is difficult to trust the code especially if the government is the one who made it.

This is also the problem, but there is a possibility where the government becomes transparent if their people urge them such as letting the app becomes an open-source app.

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I don't think this can really help, but rather it can become another tool for manipulating elections.

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Senseless tbh. The fundamental problem in election malpractice comes from the corrupt ways that most candidates do. Do remember that negotiation talks of candidates to be voted stem from them taking advantage of the problems most people have. They even bribe them at times (directly or indirectly). Plus, if you were to use a unique id for each user, then there'd basically be no privacy. The government could freely identify anyone registering since a unique id requires KYC. Even if we don't use KYC, users could then vote multiple times since there's no way to differentiate between each person. The current state of election is fine tbh, just that those on control aren't the ones that are fine.

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Election malpractices usually happen offline.Some poor people sell their votes,or they are forced to vote for a certain candidate.Implementing blockchain technology into the election process simply won't change anything.
Technology can be used as a supplement to an already working democracy,but if the democracy isn't perfect and it isn't working properly,high technology implementations won't help for improving such rotten democratic system.

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this is another good example of how to use the term "blockchain technology" as an empty "buzzword".

there are two ways you can look at using blockchain for voting, 1) a distributed ledger (decentralized way) which means there is no authority to prevent people from making more than one identity which goes against elections. 2) centralized ledger (the centralized way) which means using blockchain is pointless, the same flaws that currently exist would just transfer to the new system without anything changing.

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It doesn't need to be Blockchain Technology because it will require a certain amount of hashrate in order for it to be secured and unhackable.
A simple program that counts votes that gets data from other states with hash seed to verify that's its not tampered could be enough.

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The blockchain itself is a powerful technology, and is a complicated one. Although, it is simply a record of transactions, using it as a tool for election will be complicated. People will need ID in order to vote, take note that there are millions of people in each country. These IDs can also be manipulated by greedy politicians that wants to be in a position. These greedy politicians will do everything they can just to be in the position, like no matter it takes.

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Absolutely! I once read about a company which used blockchain technology in running an election and it was very successful and they even plan on taking it on a large scale. The transparency of blockchain distributed ledger and its immutability makes it absolutely ideal for things like voting where parties always try to rig the vote in their favour.

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While this technology can really bring us into election transparency and tampered-less result the main questions is, Is the government are willing to use this technology? most governments has many manipulation histories for a long time and until now this practice is still abused by incumbent leaders and I dont think this will end by using latest technologies like blockchain.

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