Topic: Can Christian men marry more than one wife? - page 2. (Read 2216 times)

Actually, in the USA, it IS up to the individuals to decide.

Government has the right to dictate how its own use of marriage can exist in the public. If a person applies to government, government has the right to dictate what is done. Government is basically there to regulate relationships in the public. The marriage license is a public statement, as are the rules about how many wives you can have under government licensing.

Notice that most of the time government doesn't regulate what you do in private, in your own home. Consider, also, that consenting adults have the right to get together in private, and even to some extent in public. So, if you really want to be married to a bunch of people, you can do it in private. But the regulation has to be by agreement, where you are not harming each other, at least by intent.

But when you are married privately, and go into the public, you might be prohibited even from stating that you are all married. Why? Because because most people in the public will understand that you mean marriage according to the way government has prescribed it.

This means that you had better write out your private agreement so that all your wives or husbands understand that your private marriage is a private membership thing. Enter, the Private Membership Association (PMA).

In the last year alone, the numbers of PMAs have increased greatly. I don't know that anybody has applied the PMA to private marriage, yet. But why not? Do Internet searches on it, and in Youtube.

Three major points to consider in PMA marriages, or private marriages without a formal PMA:
1. DON'T DO IT. Polygamy will be trouble for almost all people who do it;
2. What about the children? There are all kinds of legal problems of having children who are private property and yet public in some ways;
3. Be ready for fights with government. You need to know the difference between lawful and legal, and why legal doesn't apply to you in private. The PMA simply tells government that the members of the PMA are private, and tells them in a way that government will understand. But where children are involved in a PMA, government is going to fight.

Why will government fight about PMA children? Look at this:


Arizona Senator David Farnsworth Says Fellow Republican Lawmaker, Kate Brophy McGee...




In other words, government wants all the children they can get to use as object for their hidden child trafficking rings. CPS (Child Protective Services) loses loads of kids each year. Members of CPS are trafficking the kids for money. Read the article, and follow up on the links in it.

I believe its upto an individual to decide who and how many to marry unless the people involved in such arrangement are not okay with it. Just not man but woman should be given freedom to  have more than one husbands if she and them desire. There are stories on net about happy families which such arrangements and they even foster kids. Personally, i would have a single partner and soul mate and give my all to one.

Its not deniable fact that women were money hunting whores.

There is a saying "there will be a woman behind every successful man" this is because they only run with the successful man,will divorce if he is in poor but there will be few exceptions.

Right! I bet there are hundreds of women who would willingly be a co-wife of, say, Elon Musk, if they knew that they were going to get a bunch of money out of it. And they would be willing to play the part, even if they didn't like him much.

Solomon said, Ecclesiastes 7: 27-29:This from a guy who had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

 

I am not sure it is allowed in bible but if someone capable of managing double expenses then there will be no problem with it even for their wives.

Since nothing is perfect in this life, there will come circumstances where it is better to have more than one wife... and maybe in the case of women, more than one husband.

The whole, basic, underlying idea behind marriage is to take care of the children in the best way. There might be circumstances of life that make more than one spouse to be the best way.

HOWEVER, in standard operations in life, the best way is one-to-one. If more help is needed, get two or more one-to-one families together to help each other.

One thing is what you believe, and another what society  expects of you based on your environment.

Its like eating a cookie and still want to own one. You have to stand for what path you take in life.

Catholic priests used to be allowed to marry a woman in the middle ages, but the pope wanted the church
To keep more control over their priests, so it was forbidden.

Now there is saying in bible a priest cannot marry, but imagine the outrage if he marries two or three.

Then we have another salt to the equation, transgender, or gender corrected humans, I guess the holy bible do not mention that but the society expects you to act in a certain way.

What if a transgender want to be a priest, or can you marry a man who was born a "woman" in biological sense?

Indeed. Having a second wife is morally and spiritually wrong. You cannot do what you want in life as you are already bound with your wife, it is your duty to make her happy to be a good role model father to your child, a law abiding citizen and a good disciple of the Lord.

He entered that kind of situation the he should resolve it as well What a big trouble! He is already aware that his prospective second wife came from the other country and knew that it will cause him trouble yet he continued. Like what on the articles says, "Being on the other country doesn't waive her right for demanding an overnight stay".  If he really want a second wife, he should do whatever it takes ~ even if he needs to travel more often or relocate her second wife near in his place.

^^^ A husband and wife are supposed to be one. Therefore it is only right that they talk things out ahead of time. If the wife is adamantly against the second marriage, the husband should at least think really deeply about what he is doing.

I sometimes don't understand why the people are inventing yet another problem for themselves.

Just read what this guy has written:

https://www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/350290/first-wifes-permission-not-condition-for-validity-of-second-marriage

The only possible reaction is "WHAT THE HELL???!! %) %) %) %)"

It's mandated to have no more than 4 wives.

Just like with any religion, there are cheaters and sinners. Some of them are inventing alternate reality constructs in their mind, trying to fool themselves, while others are not even bothering this and just doing whatever they want.

If it says that you can only marry up to four women then why heard cases of marrying to 7 up 10 wives? Having 4 wives is mandated or just an ideal number but you can still have more if you want?

Based on your scriptures, it seems pretty clear for me that marrying only one is the best thing to do. Your God already advised it yet many still choose to do the other thing. No offense but for me maybe some of Muslims, just a maybe, do it because of "flesh". You know guys what I mean, the more wife you have the happier your sex life would be.

According to Quaran, the God have said that it's allowed to marry up to four wives.

- From the same page.

However, most of scholars are interpreting this as "one is better than four".

This post answers the post directly above this one, as well. The answer is outside of the direct question of more than one wife.

We are supposed to do everything for the benefit of our neighbor, especially in the area of salvation. If we are living in a area or under a government that says "no polygamy," we are to abide by the ideals that keep peace, and don't offend other people. BUT, this doesn't include areas where God has commanded certain things. We obey God rather than men.

God has said to live at peace with other people, not offending them in things of adiaphora, such as polygamy. This is why I say, move to an area where polygamy is accepted if you are going to do it. Or move away from other people altogether. If you can't, then don't marry more than one wife.

While I don't know the following factually, you know that concubines were permitted in the O.T. times, as they are in many countries, today. The concubine tradition might have developed, in part, out of the idea of not having more than one wife. The second and third, etc., might have been called concubines just to keep from offending people that were strictly against polygamy.

Ah I see. So there are also written advices from Quran (am I right?) saying that marrying more than one wife is not actually necessary. I thought from the very beginning that you can get wife how much as you want as long as you can sustain their needs; that's all, nothing more nothing less. Well, this is good because at least Muslim people can have a guidelines on deciding whether they should get one or more than one wife .

The bible is huge and so full of contradictory statements and ambiguity about what is to be taken literally and what metaphorically, that there is huge room to manoeuvre. Indeed that is what the church has done over the millennia. I suspect that almost anything can be justified as being permitted by the bible. Even if it is expressly forbidden in one place, you can argue that that part is a metaphor for something else...

Thanks for enlightening me about this issue with Bible as a basis. Actually, I understand it and you convinced mw somehow that it's alright to make your deceased brother's wife as your own wife too but how about the other people which are very conscious regarding this? How can you convince them all? I don't think you can. My point is that most of the laws/rules in previous times are no longer applicable in today's generation. Even how hard you explain and show many proofs like the Bible verses and everything, the majority of our society will not agree upon it. Marrying the wife of your deceased brother, whether they got children or not, is legal back on those times but today it was already a form of betrayal in the eyes of others.

Yet you still have your basic human rights. As far I remember, slavery have been abolished a lot of time ago. If some legislative norm is illegal then you're not obliged to follow it.
Though you can become a subject of prosecution, that may be a real problem in some cases.

Yep, but such kind of behaviour is not recommended.



https://www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/257272/

^^^ But that is simply Christian religious tradition. If a Christian nation allowed polygamy to maintain the family as I stated above, there would be nothing wrong or anti-Christian about it.