Topic: Can i get banned for Card Counting in online casinos? (Read 658 times)

Regardless of the number of decks being used by the casino you can still use card counting, it is just that the higher the number of decks the lesser the advantage you can possibly have and the more time it takes to materialize.

And if to this we add that the dealer will shuffle all of those decks more frequently then it becomes way more difficult to use card counting to try to get an advantage over the casino, and even if you could sooner or later you are going to be banned because this goes against the policies of almost every casino in which I have ever played.

What cam are you talking about precisely jostorres?   You think casinos are recording you with your webcam without saying anything when you are playing at online casinos or you have never played there and you just imagined in your head it was working like that in order to make a random post for your campaign?
If it's the first proposition why don't you just turn off permissions in your browser or stick something on your webcam? If it's the second one, it's sad you don't even bother trying it one single time before posting about a topic like that, your BM will appreciate I guess. You come from a country with a pretty bad reputation about spammers, you should be careful about that.

Either way, you will still likely end up getting kicked out or worse get banned from entering that establishment again. Card counting is not illegal, of course, but the casino cannot let you have your chance again because you're already a threat to their daily income and we know that casino isn't built for the client's advantage. So chances are high that you will be eliminated, expect that if you start doing the said method.

Using other people or devices to count cards seems risky if done in a land-based casino but it is possible in a online casino even if it's a live game. You can just position the device or the people in front of you so that they won't be seen in the cam but of course, you need to act natural so that they won't suspect you. I think card counting is really illegal because if not then why it isn't allowed and why do all of the casinos have a rule which says that card counting isn't allowed? They know that it can give players a benefit and it can beat them out easily. 

I've seen a lot of players who got banned for no real reason. What they know is that they are only playing and got lucky winning too often. I think it's very unprofessional if a casino suspects you without having a concrete evidence that you really cheated the game or do a card counting.

Yes you're right, unlike Baccarat all land-based casinos only deal out one part of the shoe, it's a common practice. Some deal out more than others though, so what about live casino providers? Some are dealing less others too, or it only depends on the dealer?

Nonsense. You don't seem to read the messages you reply to at all. You can count cards as much as you like, even in an online casino, even in a regular casino - this is a pointless exercise, since the existing casino operation algorithms do not allow you to get any advantage from card counting.

Each casino establishes their own rules and policies regarding card-counting. But, as far as I know, most land-based casinos deal out cards in a similar fashion: they won't deal all the cards of the shoe. In my experience, at least. Depending on how frequently the casino reshuffles their decks, this can significantly affect the card counter's winnings.

Card counting isn't really illegal. If you will do it by yourself and will not use other people or device to count card for you, then there's really nothing wrong about it. Although some casinos prohibit such because it stirs unwanted attention and causes some trouble which means they are breaking some house rules in physical casino, so technically, you'll get kicked out or banned in their property because of conduct and not really by counting cards.

But if we are talking about online casinos, perhaps you might want to read their terms of service first before trying to use a card counter because some online casinos prohibit it. If they happen to detect that you are violating their rules, then you might suffer some punishments such as withholding your funds, being suspended, and yes, being banned. So you better check first before using any software or external devices that they can detect. Otherwise, you'll suffer the consequences and inconvenience later on.

You can't have any edge because there is always one deck in front of you. So time is not on your side and you have 0 chances to count and it will not be effective anymore as there are no successions here.

So in online gambling, this is not going to happen. Card counting is only applicable in land base. But once the casino spotted you for doing that, they will refuse you to play on them and be put on the watch list.

Hi, OP. No, but you can be an undesirable player, it is really more common that you get banned for other circumstances such as abuse of bonuses or any other of the common causes, I do not know of any well-documented case, the reality it is that this practice is really difficult in an online casino, the game software itself practically eliminates it.

If you look for example in the info (BJ-online) of each game you get that information, for example Classic Blackjack uses 8 decks of cards and RNG, then each time you launch a bet in that round the cards are shuffled.

Btw, you have to differentiate between "prohibited" and "illegal", they are very different terms, the casinos consider it a cheat, that is, you qualify for the casinos as a cheat, so, they prohibit you from entering their Casino for years or even for life, one of the most famous cases I have known is Ben Afleck, who surely would not do it in Gotham City but he did in the real world, Ben Affleck was banned for life from the Hard Rock casino in Las Vegas.

Ben Affleck Had A History Of Winning Big At The Hard Rock Casino Before Being Banned

"Colega" Black Jack is fun to hang out... if you want thrills play 1000mbtc  nah! just kidding you BJ is a very serious game with a lot of skill too.

Are you really sure nobody could overcome the house edge of the game with only 4 decks dealt on 8? If many bad cards are dealt in the first hands, you're mathematically more likely to get good ones in the rest of the shoe even if 5 decks are remaining. Into 8 decks, there are 8 x 4 x 5 = 160 so called "bad" cards for the players. In 4 decks, that is to say 4 x 52 = 208 cards, most of them can be dealt, if the shoe is good.
Besides that, I don't understand why land based casinos would deal all the cards of the shoe, while all online casinos are only dealing one part. So I think physical casinos are doing the same, it must be a standard.

Obviously, any information that appears on your monitor can be processed automatically, so even if the cards were displayed at an even faster speed, counting would be possible. The problem is that counting won't give you an edge - shuffling decks takes place long before the eliminated cards begin to affect the probabilities of remaining cards appearance.

Counting cards is no longer possible. All machines nowadays, but in the past it was done on a large scale. That has also cost many casinos a lot of money. By the way, you don't have the 100% certainty that you will win money every time, but according to the statistics you should eventually get a big advantage, such as 55-45 in your favor. That is different from being at a disadvantage the other way around. I don't know if casinos included that in the terms and conditions at the time. But if you try something similar now, they will quickly notice and they will kick you out of the casino and you will probably be blacklisted. It is, after all, a form of cheating.

The question about these.

How many deck using on "CASINO" most of live-casino like "Vegas" using 6 deck and online casino probably using 8 deck. In-livecasino you have a many time for make a decision meanwhile in online-casino we have limited time decision around (10-15 second).

Are you sure can counting the card with many deck ( + limited time ? In-online casino you're not gonna to get back off by casino, because is online the question is can you counting the card in online or not ?

Yeah but even then the most the casino can do is to kick the player out. They cannot freeze his funds or take his money away from him without proof that he was cheating. Otherwise thats considered stealing. Which is obviously against the law for both customers/clients and big businesses. Whether the player gets tagged, no idea. It would be within their rights to deny him entry to their casino. Its too bad if you lose access to the casino but again, thats a whole different matter than getting your money taken away from you. I am sure there are many laws the casino disregards everyday just because they hope the players are unaware.

Is that what they call a live blackjack? You can see the dealer but the dealer can't see you? It's great then because we can count cards all the way although the only problem there is like you said they might shuffle the deck more often because they themselves also know this trick and it can be used against them especially that it was online.

$50k each hand seem to be a big amount but we know them (the streamers) the amount can only came from their sponsorships. We as a viewer, must not follow all that what we see in those streamers and that is to bet high but it's important that we will only stick on our own limits whenever we play gambling.

You can end like Ben Campbell from 21 movie, with a hot chick, experience and not banned, or you can get your face smashed  If you do card counting offline, you would probably get kicked out one day, even though it is allowed, but not welcomed. But from wikipedia article, card counting online is useless as in most online casinos the deck is shuffled at the start of each new round, ensuring the house always has the advantage.

I would say, if you want to get rich by card counting, then this is a bad idea. If people would get rich by that, everyone would use that method, but casinos still prosper. Only few lucky people managed to earn well from it. Think about it.  If you want to win little, be silent and unseen to casino security, then I would like to disappoint you - one day greed will win, and the more you win, the closer that day will be. Nearly impossible to keep disciplined in gambling.

Most of you guys don't get it. Casinos either playing online or playing in person can anytime refuse to serve customers if they want. Of course, it would make a bad press for them to do that, refuse to serve people randomly and out of blue. So they had plenty of good reasons to give out when they want to ban someone from their establishment.

One of many of those is card counting or suspect of gaining an unfair advantage against casinos. Yup, sounds bullshit but by US laws, businesses (casino) can refuse to serve customers just like that if violates their rule. Sometimes, if you got too lucky, won big pot repeatedly, a casino can ban you from its establishment or even notify their casino alliance to put a ban altogether on you. 'Card counting' is just something they cited on the surface.

Well technically casinos can choose their customers and make up excuses to throw you out. But that's risky to them as they could face a lawsuit if that would go south, making them lose more then they would have in the first place.

But there's no way that anyone would prove that you count cards, and you would have to do that a lot with thousands of participants with very high stakes to make even a small dent to their income. They don't really even care. I think that trowing out people is just a rumor that some people have started of themselves after they lost money, behaved poorly while drunk. So they wouldn't have to prove to anyone anything.

Casinos in Finland are constantly reshuffling their set of packs anyway so counting wouldn't make a difference so much that it would give much of an edge. So i guess this is a cool story to glorify some brilliant mythical players to make gamblers feel better about their changes.

No I have never seen or heard of a gambler getting banned from an online casino for card counting. The main thing is that the casino doesn't know if you are counting cards or not. You can be lucky a few nights in a row and make some decent money. The casino could expect something is wrong, but they don't have any proof for it. This might only come out if the casino is running some advanced gambling software to keep track of various card counting strategies. I am not really sure if this is viable for a casino. And if the casino would start banning people who got lucky and made a profit the reviews for the casino would tank and many gamblers would switch casinos. I am still not even sure if counting cards actually works in online casinos. The strategy behind it is to bring your chances of winning above 50% by making sure there are more cards in the remain deck with the value of 10 or 11. The problem with online casinos is that they don't really need to shuffle cards and cut decks. It's usually a gambler at the table in pyhsical casinos that marks where the deck will be cut and can make sure that almost all of the cards of the deck will be used. The more cards available to play, the higher the chance to turn the deck into your favour. But if the casino can keep shuffling constantly the chances will not increase for us to win.

There is little doubt in my mind that something like this could happen to you, assuming that the casino in which you are playing does not shuffle after every round, something that I have seen even with a live dealer at many online casinos, and if that is the case eventually you are going to get banned.

And this is something that is very easy to identify, because most dealers know how to use card counting as well so if they notice that you begin to bet more money when you have the count in your favor then they are going to report your account.

It all goes down to the Casino's suspicion.  A player can be charged with card counting even though he doesn't do it and a player cannot do anything about it.  Most of the detection is probably done through software and application so mostly if they found a player winning continuously, the player can be tagged with card counting whether the suspicion is true or not.  That is somehow unfair but well, the world is really unfair so nothing a player can do about it.  Even if he often disputes against the casino or live game provider, he cannot prove that he is not card counting.  The decision and authority is on the game provider so there is nothing for a player to do but to follow the Live game provider's verdict.  The player has nothing to lose but access since in most cases, the player can withdraw his funds.


The game provider has an application running in the background that analysis a player's action.  From that they can determine whether a person is card counting or not.  It maybe sounds absurd by no one can refute the method because it is the game provider's right to accept, denies, or kick players in their game session.


I would rather have a standard winning rate than be suspected of card counting.  Card counting is also frowned by online casinos and they have software and apps for detecting it.  Though we don't know how accurate this software detection is, we should always take into account that Card counting is one of the prohibited techniques stated on the TOS of gambling game provider.

Purely online it wouldnt be a thing I guess but as above the dealer camera feed it would similar to the same in person physical game.   I have always wondered why it ever worked because the casino doesnt change the cards as often as they could, do we have a rule to say they cant alter the cards.   Its probably almost all down to convention of a bricks and mortar setup casino having a setup that allows the card counting and the player pretends to not take advantage, since alot of gamblers are tourists its possible to slip through detection by the sheer amount of numbers playing.  Online has really none of that, I doubt ever really helps now except it could be automated via a program perhaps and is far less effort or skill.

I do not really believe that counting cards without a physical deck (without swapping the deck for a new one, as they do in physical real world gambling casinos).
The online version of card counting does not exist due to how much easier it is to install certain security systems in place to make card counting impossible. Although I could not tell you what those security measures look like. And even if you somehow did succeed because you found a loophole in their algorithm or something, you would still be faced with breaking the terms of service and getting your account and funds frozen...

I think this is not possible because how can the dealer see you? Unless if it's a live game where they can also see your face in real-time. There are people who got banned in online casinos but that must be for other reasons. This is one of the advantages of the online casino, that is we can do something which we normally can't do in the real life.

Winning from this trick is not guaranteed so risking yourself in a real-life casino is not recommended but if you are only playing online then it's a must to include every time you play a certain card game. Having an increased chance of winning is always better than the standard winning rate.

Some of them are, but some of the dealers in the so-called "live casino games" aren't actually alive. Casinos that offer live dealer games often employ a technique known as "simulated dealer." They are pre-recorded series of moves of a real dealer that are reproduced in a computer simulation to create the illusion of a live casino play.

It doesn't follow from the quote you quoted. You can find such a clause of the rules in any casino and at any bookmaker - this is a general provision that protects the casino from the fact that the player will find some kind of vulnerability and will exploit it, and if it is corrected, he will sue. But card games where card counting gives the player an advantage simply don't exist (or at least don't exist in casinos).

Maybe you didn't know it, but you can play with a real dealer and real cards in online casinos:


Some streamers play this way making bets up to $50k each hand... So, this is totally real.

After reading all your answers looks like the method that casinos use to avoid the card counting is by shuffle the deck when it reach the half. And it's a smart move from their side, at least that makes the card counting harder for the users because it leaves the next coming card a matter of luck.

The short answer is no, you cannot get banned for card counting in online casinos.

Really, there's not much to add here. The entire question is based on a few false assumptions: that you are playing against a real dealer, and that the dealer hand represents some sort of "deck" that is being dealt from. Neither of these things are true in online blackjack, so the response to this question should be easy to predict. The gist of it is that the programs aren't designed to allow for counting systems and besides, there no real deck or dealer to count in the first place.

yeah, I see, I saw some other posts from other members regarding that kind of rule. anyway, I also mentioned earlier on how the casino will detect card counting when it's online, apparently, they detect card counting online by the gamblers betting habits/patterns, not sure how accurate it is but it is what I read.

actually None of us really knows because there are different rules in every casino in the world, but AFAIK in my country it is not illegal but yeah you will be ejected once in camera you'll reflected to  be counting cards.
but of course the topic stands about Online casino in which I am looking for their way to find out if we are doing this or at least consider how can we literally count cards online?

I guess even your opponents in gambling counted cards too, who knows? But the fact that it’s not reliable to end up winning, then casinos would not make it as a big issue and just let the players do their own counting. Maybe for some this becomes very obvious that the casino would notice, but even so, the fact that it’s part of your own strategy, then they should not be meddling on it anymore.

Card counting in online casinos have been eliminated, it's because the deck of every card is shuffle. Meaning at any given time, it's just one deck of cards and after that, a new one is introduced and then shuffle again.

Unlike in landbase casinos wherein there is 8, 10, or 12 shoes of card. And so card counters can do their thing because the card is continuous or in succession. The question is why it is not implemented if they can eliminate card counters or readers? It might be tedious though for the dealer and the casino itself in the long run because the profit will be lessen if the dealer is going to shuffle every round. So just imagine the money that they are going to lose every hour. But in online, it's just easy for the developers to create this logic and include it in the program.

It is possible to count cards in different card games but when counting cards blackjack usually comes to mind. As far as i know, there are different card counting methods in this game. But there is a most used and relatively simple basic method. It's called the basic big small card counting method or hi-lo. The other one is the uston ss card counting model which is more suitable for people who have covered a certain distance in this business. This system is more complex and difficult. Counting cards in blackjack is prohibited in casinos. But if you can get the croupier to feed the controllers, you're free to do it. That's why i didn't see anyone kicked out of the casino.

I believe online casino and online casino has almost the same rule.  To ban or kick out any possible threat that may put the casino at risk.   So I think the casino will kick that player out or limit his involvement to live blackjack and games alike.  There may be no actual clause on the TOS of the casino but this kind of thing falls under the indefinite terms such.  Here is an example TOS tackles why using card counting can get a player banned from the online casino platform.


We all know that card counting is one of the prohibited techniques by the Casino whether it is legal or not.  It is the casino's right to decide whether they will accept such kind of technique or not in their platform and sadly they deemed card counting is a prohibited technique.

Even if there is a clause in the Casino ToS that card counting is prohibited, I would like to know how this can be determined? No one sits with a pen and an abacus and does not keep their calculations openly - usually this is done in the mind. I don't know how lucky you have to be in order for the casino to suspect you that you are not just lucky, but win due to some kind of numeracy. It seems to me that if the casino suspects you of this, it will not kick you out, but rather offer you a lot of money to get advice in the field of security. Modern gambling provides reliable protection from those who can count cards, so the one who can bypass it will be recognized as a genius.

Indeed it is unfair, but the casino won't be confiscating your winnings since it was stated that a player caught doing card counting successfully will be kicked out of the live session and is forbiden to join any of the sessions of that live game worst is to unable to join any game that is created by that provider.  A player can still withdraw is fund as long as the player is proven not cheating which I think is in the grey area and full of holes to be exploited by that Live game provider.  I believe this case is the same as sportsbooks limiting the betting amount of a player when the player records shows they are winning too much.


If you read some of the casino TOS, there are clauses that are in the grey area that give full authority to the Casino owner to implement things according to their assessment.  The clause that resembles "any other things that deemed harmful to the company" is one of it.

I don't really know but if they'll ban people from card counting they should put it on their ToS. anyway, the question is, how would the online casino know if you are card counting? also, as far as I know, online casinos have put several countermeasures to prevent or at least make it harder for people to card count online casinos.

The fact that it is not illegal or against any laws does not mean that you can get away with card counting in a casino. It really depends on the casino. But, most online casinos are independent from real world casinos, so they could give 2 shits less about card counting. I do not think that any online casino will ban you for strictly card counting, but it is better to keep it to yourself. Last but not least, always remember to read the fine print, no matter which casino you are playing at. Any casino worth its salt will list in depth rules on what is and isn't allowed and the penalties that accompany any action breaking these rules.

The casino or gambling establishments will do take action against these kinds of activities especially if the advantages it provided is too effective. For example, A player has been winning consecutive and has been earning a high value amount because of card counting, then the casino will  most likely be more observant on this players gameplay and see how he do it. You may heard a lot of stories about users having their bet amount limited after winning consecutively even if the user did not do anything against the casinos rules and policies.

I seriously doubt that the gambling establishment would ban/prohibit card counting.

These types of games are created in order to combat any possible threat of having an advantage on your side. Card counting is something that is natural for a person to do- creating advantages out of difficult situations. In addition, card counting most likely will not have such an effect compared to other techniques used that is why I seriously doubt that the online gambling website would take it against you.

The last time I remember this was asked they said you could get banned for it and I think it's better to assume that way so you don't get surprised if the casino suddenly gives you that kind of punishment. But still, like what the others have said with the multiple decks it might be better to look for another solution than to continue relying on card counting since that's how most online blackjack tables operate nowadays.

Card counting is often seen in gambling games, which are often found and seen in casino blackjac games, in general people think good card counting can increase the opportunities and advantages of bookies.

But many casinos don't like the practice of users doing the card counting method, many of whom think it's illegal, in fact it's not, although I have not seen users counting cards directly banned in online casinos, but I believe, if online casinos were controlled by dealers, I believe they would be kicked out and blocked.

I also believe that if an online casino user is detected counting cards in a casino, I'm sure they will be blocked and the balance will be frozen, even though they know what they are doing is a bad thing.

How can the casino know that I'm counting cards? Even if I count cards it does not give any guarantees of winning as each card comes into my hands completely randomly. In fact, most players try to count cards, but of course not everyone is good at it, because we all have different memories. Prove that I count cards will not work so if you are accused of it, you can safely deny it.

If it is possible for someone to count the cards then its allowed and no one will get banned in an online casino cause they never know. But online casinos are still evolving and they are making changes to have even chance in fair way for every players for example reshuffling the cards after certain period in live table on some of the casinos.

I haven't seen one physically but I have watched clips about it. This is actually a skill if you can do it. Memorizing is a big problem about it.
You have to be keen on how many cards came out and what those cards are so you can filter what's left.

I think casinos will realize that you are counting if you stop betting when you know you will not win that round.
Then there's the amount you bet for, if you try to cut some of your bets to lower numbers when you know you will lose, that's when you will get caught.

Anything that can give an advantage to users they will not allow, that's how offline casinos work they want to make money while gamblers should only play for entertainment

Like all the others here it's not even possible you can always contest if they accuse you of card counting because casinos have no proven system to detect if you are card counting, they can only assume you are if you can, but they cannot provide proof.

It's gambling even the odds you have is not a guarantee that the card will be in your favor and it's hard to do card counting, you need a deep concentration and focus to do it.

No, this will not happen and anyone who understands the basic concept of card counting would know that already. Firstly, if you're playing a virtual game of blackjack (as opposed to a "live stream") then every hand is randomly calculated and there is essential no deck available to count at any stage, the house controls the algorithm entirely and will always end up the long term winner. Secondly, if you are playing a live game they will be presenting a version of the game that does not allow for card counting because they have no way to prevent it like they would by kicking someone out from a physical casino - they will simply reshuffle the whole deck (or multiple decks) every single hand or some other method that will nullify card counting techniques.

Card counting helps to reveal the probabilities of a trace card falling out. This can help you win in some cases, but not always. In addition, the casino does not have the tools to identify gamblers who use card counting in their game. Ban gamblers without some kind of evidence base, no one will, as in this situation, the casino will be left without gamblers and therefore no profit.

It's easy to spot those players who's just lucky or doing card count(assuming they really can) because lucky people don't win consistently on all of It's session while card counting playing do win most of the time. So even if you are not card counting but you are winning big time as if you are cheating then there still a chance that casino will ban you since you are not profitable to there business. Most of the casino has this kind of rules to protect there business on people that getting huge profit from them.

If the casino bans or kicks out lucky players, it will instantly go bankrupt, as everyone will know about it. In fact, the casino, on the contrary, is interested in the appearance of lucky ones - for this, jackpots and all sorts of promotions are invented where, for any outcome, some random player is guaranteed to receive a big prize. This attracts other players and builds the reputation of the casino. And at the same time, the casino does not remain at a loss because there are a hundred or a thousand losers for one lucky player, that is, the casino actually gives back only a small part of what it received from the players.

That could be unfair if you are tagged as cheater and yet you are not doing anything against the rules and you are just lucky by that time, I'm sure you can still contest it but it will take a lot of time before you get the answer from them. The system can beat after all, that card counting has been a problem of many site and casinos but since technology is growing, they also adopt it and make it more advance to protect their own interest and the business. Card counting seems too risky, I'd rather lose that to get banned for good.

I have read an article about card counting in an online casino and it stated that it is possible for a player to get banned due to successful card counting. The article also stated that the casino has all the right to ban a player whom they think to be a risk.  That may be unfair for the player but it is the right of a casino to block anyone they think will cause them big losses.

this article[1]  explains online card counting and the possible grounds, I quoted some information that is related to the topic.

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[1] https://www.legitgamblingsites.com/blog/will-live-dealer-casinos-ban-you-for-card-counting/

Card counting is legal, no government law or rules are against card counting and nothing would lead to arrest if found that any gambler do that, that is where it is legal. But not legal in casinos, if anyone is found doing card counting, the person would be barred from the casino. I do not know much about online casinos, but what I said is about physical casinos. Online casinos is online and not physical, for gamblers to do card counting would be difficult, unlike on physical casinos.

I don't think there is someone willing to risk to see if they will get banned on using a card counting technique. Even though it is not illegal, the online casino can easily disable withdrawal on their account if they noticed something suspicious on their betting activity where they have a consistent win-lose ratio. I'm pretty sure that you will avoid complying to their KYC since you are aware of using a method to have an advantage.

I've read about card counting on physical casinos it's old news but card counting online is new to me, how can that be possible, and do these casinos have a way to check if one of their users is engaged in card counting, they might falsely accuse their users if they restrict their members from counting cards, so far I have not seen one comes out posting that he was restricted for card counting, unless I see one report I don't think its possible to do card counting online.

To be honest.... I do not even think card counting was possible with digital games...    It might be possible with games that are live streamed, but the card shuffling for digital games should be nearly impossible.

I think... if you do card counting with games that are live streamed, casinos will pick it up and your actions will be flagged. We know people are restricted in Sport betting.... so casinos does respond, if they pick up that players are doing something that gives them an unfair advantage.   

It’s really not illegal in the law but it’s not allowed even on real casino. What casino do you know that allows card counting? You will be ejected in the casino and confiscated all your chips if they find out that your counting cards because this method is proven working before that’s why they introduced continuous shuffling method.

Either way, Any signs that you are trying to do this will make you eject in the casino. You can try it for yourself and visit your local casino.

and with this happening for long years now? casino knows how to counter this strategy of gamblers so i don't think there are reason for the site to lose from these players and also it wasn't prohibited in gambling or casinos lol.
but of course they will protect their funds so indeed banning or throwing out players with this? is indeed happening till now.

Its possible for live casinos with high Al initiatives because most of those casinos uses Face detection models to track every activity done on your screen time to avoid cheating, But for regular online casinos i don't think the have what it takes to detect you counting cards

I remember I watched an episode in Big Bang Theory where Sheldon do card counting and been caught by Guards or martials since his too obvious that he is studying the cards in the table. I don't know if its possible in online but in actual casino maybe but it will requires a Intelligence as high what Sheldon is in that show. Or those who discovered ways how will it possible probably is too smart to analyze how it will works.

You'd probably be banned if the casino noticed that you're winning much more often than the rest of the players. They must suspect that something is not right with your winning pattern. Casinos have the right not to allow undesirable gamblers. You'd probably be considered one if you're often taking away their money.

Anyway, card counting is more or less a thing of the past already with casinos usually using 6-8 decks per hand and constant shuffling with their automatic shuffle machines.

same thoughts here on that matter because how can an Online casino and businesses in gambling can find out if we are really counting the cards?
when they cannot even seen our Eye movement?
so basically this will be implemented in real life casinos but in Online? impossible if this can be adopted and implemented .
and as what OP says? it is not illegal in casino actually .

Afaik they can? But they've had multiple methods of countering this such as having multiple decks for each session, which basically ruins the chances of card counting actually having any effect throughout the entire game. If we're aware of it, then casinos are most likely also aware of it and with that being said, I don't think it even matters if you tried it, casinos themselves probably know that it's a futile effort. But still, I would err on the side of caution in these cases, since as I've said, casinos know it's futile, so in some form you should as well, so might as well not try it.

Normally, when faced with questions like that, the first thing I do is look it up on the internet. According to what I see, it is more likely to happen in Live Dealer casinos, but not in the rest, because of what was explained before:



So, I wouldn't worry too much. If in doubt, read their TOS or even ask them.

Casino sites won't be able to track whether you're counting cards. It will also be hard for them to monitor it. However, it isn't an effective strategy anymore, especially in online casinos. Casino sites somehow know how to counter it by reshuffling the cards multiple times so if ever you'll count it, you won't have an accurate guess. I used to apply this strategy at an early age in casinos but it isn't as effective as before anymore.

I Google for available information about getting ban using card counting playing online and I find one site that tackles this and its almost impossible to accuse you of card counting for lack of solid evidence to prove their allegation, on offline they can restrict you or will not allow you to play, but online it's unlikely that they will implement this


Article source :
https://www.olbg.com/casino-sites/articles/online-casinos-counting-cards

Nah, it's not working nowadays but if ever you are trying to count cards it's not gonna work unlike in the past where they have less counter for card counting but nowadays it's difficult to penetrate the card by counting since they always reshuffle it with a brand new card.

In physical casino you could be kicked out or ban forever from the establishment if you are caught counting cards since that's basically cheating on the casino but I don't know yet if card counting will work in online casinos or maybe you will get banned in that casino but there are no news yet that says they caught someone card counting.

It's very different online and offline when it comes to card counting, on offline they can sense that you are card counting but how is it possible online when they cannot see you, they should have solid proof that you are card counting when they can't even see your action or the community will give them a lousy mark for false accusation, online they ban you for multi-accounting and manipulation but card counting I don't think you'll get ban since it's not illegal.

Casinos could ask you to get out of their establishments if they caught you counting cards on blackjack, but they cannot do more than that legally because as you said, counting cards is not illegal. Casinos have the right though to kick you out.

Some articles are saying that it is really hard to pull off and you need to be really focused to be able to completely track the flow of cards. That means you cannot really enjoy the games because you are continuously counting unless you are in Adderall or any drugs that will keep you focused, or you are Raymond in Rain man.

I haven't heard any news about the gamblers being banned on a specific site because of card counting, so probably this is ok.
Gamblers will always find a way or strategy to beat the house and that gambling site already anticipate it, so maybe they also have a system that can measure if you are doing card counting or not at all. If you want to be safe and want to protect your account at all cost, better not to try this or read the terms of service, if stated there that card counting is not acceptable, then stop doing that.

I've never seen anyone banned from an online game for card counting, not least because that would be extremely unfair, as the casino could never be sure that the player was doing it.

On the whole, I don't think it's right for card counters to be banned... Obviously casinos aren't obligated to accept everyone, but card counting has never been illegal.

How the site can know if you are doing the card counting if it's just online? There's no way to prove this for the site and that's why they created a system to avoid this one. They might shuffle the cards from time to time so this one is just a waste of time because those sites already knows that someone might try to do the card counting. You can't be banned because of this, just keep it a secret and you can be good. Whatever your strategy is, don't be greedy and stay within your limit.

Well, if a gambler keeps winning for a long time it will light an alert signal on the casino side, driving their attention to that gamblers specifically. They will investigate why he is winning so much and take action against him, probably inviting him to leave the house. I'm not sure if this kind of thing has happened in legit online casinos platforms, but there are some stories it has happened at land based ones.

I guess if it's counting cards or any other trick it is just an excuse. The goal is to remove the 'lucky' player from the casino.

There’s already a system to counter that card counting and most of the casinos are already doing it on the live bet, so technically it will be hard to do that card counting. Since it’s an online bet, I guess you can still do that without being noticed by the site, you just need to be very careful though since it’s against the policy. You can have other strategy but for me, it will still be hard to beat the house.

Yes that's right, I can't beat the casino online either. The strategy was also just to keep myself from getting bored, by observing the game and doing some strategies, and even then just following the channels of some videos that I found, and from experiences of my friends. Because there are no rules related to this strategy in some casino providers, maybe it's worth it if OP does it at live casino online, because also I've never tried it at a live casino online. It could be same with land casino?

This is the best way on finding out the answer in relation to this aspect if you could really apply that card counting on an online casino.If there are people who do get banned because of card counting
and if this one is true then presumably it could really be that possible, but how they would really be able to detect out into those people who had been card counting? This do puzzles me.
It would really be just common sense that if this one would be applied on an offline casino then you would surely be kicked out on a certain venue.
Dont know on how things been done through online.

Counting cards will not get you anywhere as most casinos online are much aware of this trick.Therefore in order to completely eliminate it they use a lot of card decks,different ones,so you can count cards all you want but this won't get you anywhere in online casinos especially.

In offline ones you can play and can count cards but even these casinos have put checks in check like offering a different deck in order to avoid such thing,nowadays I have not heard anyone going and succeeding in black jack being in online or offline casino,in the end it still remains a game of luck.

You can still win in an offline casino if you don't accept playing with different decks,very few casinos maybe still play with only one deck and you need a huge visual memory to make it an advantage however keep in mind that just like you count cards I am sure the dealer does the same.

Before asking this question, you need to look for news about someone being banned from a real casino for counting cards. I have not heard anything like this for a long time, since offline casinos have long solved this problem and those who count cards well do not threaten them in any way. Even if card counting in modern conditions gives the better odds, it still does not give an advantage over the casino.

I didn't know about this method when gambling and you use counting method will get you kicked out. Anyways, not that I am expert about it but here's what I can say or give advice if you call it that way,  if you really don't want that to happen getting kicked out or ban from online casinos then I think that you should do card counting without showing anything that can make them tell you use that method if you want to have your chance of winning increase or to see if it will help. I also agree that online casinos may not be able to tell that you are card counting unless the casino requires you to video call with the dealer more like video call on Facebook instead of only using chat/voice call to interact with the live dealer.

Counting cards in a real casino really increases the chances of winning. 

In general, when gambling, it is very important to have a competitive advantage.  Card counting is such a competitive advantage.  A player with a very good memory, attentiveness and reaction gets a significant advantage over the casino and other players.  However, card counting is possible only when playing in a real offline casino.

In an online casino, this method does not work. It is not provided by the online casino software algorithms.

Never have I ever seen regarding that but surely on offline setting, yes. I often wonder how can they detect when it's online? Or, they have such system that can detect it even if they aren't seeing it in personal? All I thought all this time that it was a cheat or hacks, now I know.

I once saw the movie 21, then I started to delve a bit into counting cards. not that I've ever done that myself, but I did find it quite fascinating how it was put together. I think that is no longer possible these days, you have a card machine in every casino these days, right? Then it wouldn't be possible at all. Every casino will use that. But if we jump in time, yes I think you can easily get banned to a casino if they know you count cards. However, the question is more whether it is cheating or not?

No, you can't count with multiple decks... we discussed the same topic before, when you add more decks you add more combinations, and your counting needs to adapt. It's a question of how many decks they are using, and if it's +5 the number of combinations that you need to think off is just crazy!

I am sure you can try to do something more with live playing, paper, and pen! But will you succeed in raising your chances for win or not will be seen after your gambling session, I guess you can try to run some experiments with some amount you can afford to lose and share your results after. I would love to see that kind of stats...

Initially, I didn't even know what card counting was, I had to watch the YouTube video op shared in his post, and from that video, I learnt that card counting is actually a skill which not everyone has, but it can be learnt, so when you say you tried it and it didn't work, I assume you are yet to learn or master the skill... This aside.....

I am still trying to figure out how possible it is for online casinos to know when a player is counting cards, I personally think it's not possible, but I stand to be corrected any way...

I've tried it as well and it didn't work for me. I'm not sure if I had a mistake on counting but I guess card counting doesn't work for everyone. Yes, I haven't heard about a casino site that bans players for such a reason but better not do it if it could possibly cause banning.

that's what i was thinking. also, they don't have rules when it comes to this strategy. how can they ever prove that you are doing this? in physical casinos, yes, they can observe you via their cameras, but with online casinos, nope. and i don't think you can beat the casino also with this technique. if the OP wants, try it online. and see if it will really improve your results. but getting caught online, that would be hard.

Never seen it, to be honest I personally have tried counting cards but that didn't work, maybe i'm really stupid or just unlucky and I think this strategy can be applied in land-based casino but not online casino. The online casino only banned users from action multiplying accounts and abuse bonuses, for card counting possibilities their program is developed with the most advanced intelligence.

Some casinos may not out rightly ban you knowing they cannot do so legally, but if you become singled out as an individual who ''card counts'' and it is something which they highly detest, they can frustrate you in the casino by being unnecessarily unjust to you, so you stop coming to the casino.

That's right - the casino doesn't worry about the strategies (including card counting) that the player uses because it secures itself against such players in advance. If we are talking about Black Jack, then a large number of decks are used and shuffling is done until the moment when card counting starts to matter. If we are talking about roulette, then the acceptance of bets ends before the speed of the ball makes it possible to determine which sector it will fall into, etc.

Yeah, maybe he can do it secretly? or maybe he can make some skip rounds so that he will not be suspicious counting cards? he can do it but he needs to make sure he can hide his plan properly or else online casino will banned him forever or he will be sued if there's a law about it. I think it is not that bad, it is just part of the strategy.

I don't care that much if you are card counting anyway. They have employed a lot of counter-measures against this activity and for sure they already expected that some of their patrons will be doing this. Perhaps if you are successful enough on your card counting they might even invite you and help them provide some feedback that can help them about this Most probably they'd just let it slide because they'd just lure you in to playing more and in the end they'll get more from you.

I've to many movies and documentaries about card counting whereas casino will take action in case they found out that someone is doing it. I doubt that online casinos are an exception. I think online casino will put a limit and observe your gambling activities such as if there is any possible programs being used as card counting are much more complicated compared to offline casinos.

Also, Upon researching on google, there are various methods as to why card counting online are likely to impossible to do.

They can realize we are counting card if we be the min amount in the first hands and big amounts while getting close to the shuffle point.

I know that mate, but even with this people can still do the counting to see if odds are on their side or in the house side. As i mention, this method is not an always win method, is just about having a better chance to win.

there were issues with the countbing cards in the past. anyone can do it. the rainmaker movie for instance is just one example but the casino admin just let it go because they can't just do anything about it because the person involved is a family member.

there were issues with the countbing cards but I guess it's something that they couldn't just pin. it possible to get banned. depending to the casino.

In most online casinos, card counting is no longer possible. At least, I don't know of any reputable provider where it works.

Other than that, ofc you can get banned. The casino may exclude undesirable players from its service anytime. Even if a rule on card counting is not explicitly stated in the provider's T&Cs (which I doubt). In any case there is a clause that players can be excluded without giving a detailed reason.

I would scrap the idea and invest my time differently. You won't get rich with this idea. Sorry buddy.

While using land based casino, it can be known if you are counting cards, but I do not think this would be possible on online casinos. But if you are able to count cards on an online casino known, the casino can bar you from using their platform, especially if you win most often. But card counting is more impossible on online casinos.

Yes but you can’t do that anymore on current deck of live blackjack table. They have multiple decks and shuffle when half of the deck is already reduced to avoid count counting.

So they will not believe you that you can card count.

I don't think they can ban you for this. How is they gonna know if you counted cards anyway? That's not even possible. Even if it was, they wouldn't know it so I say you will be fine. Like you said it don't make you always win and you shouldn't count on it too much. If this was making you win automatically this game wouldn't have existed at all because anybody with this ability would clear out the casino.

Card counting is not illegal, but in real life casinos people get kicked from casinos for this action, and casinos really hate people using this methods because it gives some advantage to the users.

If you don't know how card counting works you can read this explanation from fiulpro:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/card-counting-in-black-jack-5273810

Or you can watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjfLuM-Pqr8

Here the question is, have you ever seen a user getting banned from an online casino for card counting?

To be clear, card counting isn't a method to always win, it's just a method to have better odds.