Physical Gambling operators consider card counting a big threat to their business so they will try everything to eliminate that threat every players that comes along that is having a good success even if they are lucky that night is analyzed and if they have a continuous round of success chances are they will be ban.
Well, technically I agree with you. But for me, there is nothing wrong using with this and I am not also using this method of card counting, -- I will not risk my money and betting someone that has an advantage. Stick with your odds and play fair to them, no need to use any other card counting to taking advantage against your opponent. However, a casino has a right to choose if you will stay in or kick you out if you are taking advantage of someone else. 
Topic: Card counting in black jack (Read 821 times)
Physical Gambling operators consider card counting a big threat to their business so they will try everything to eliminate that threat every players that comes along that is having a good success even if they are lucky that night is analyzed and if they have a continuous round of success chances are they will be ban.
Yes, I find it quite unfair. For example, a cafe cannot deny service to any specific people, since they will violate their public offer and lose in court. Casinos in this regard are in a privileged position and have such a right (denial of service) by law. I do not think this provision is fair. Math works the same for everyone and you have to serve everyone if you are not a private club.
Guys, it is already clear that card counting is useless when playing online blackjack. But does it offer even a tiny advantage to use it for cards dealt during bets? Meaning when the deck is shuffled, one card is dealt to the dealer, two cards are dealt to each player, so that's at least 3 cards dealt (could also be 5 or 7 cards initially). Without knowing how many decks are used, does the running count give any benefit for predicting future draws?
E.g. I just got dealt 10-6, dealer gets 8, so the running count is effectively 0. But as you keep hitting, this might change the running count to a different value, though it's still going to be small. Can I make any reasonable predictions with a running count of -2 for example?
I'm thinking card counting at online games is more useful if multiple players are playing at the same time, since more cards get to be dealt before the deck is shuffled at the next hand. Even then, only the player who bets last makes the most out of this.
E.g. I just got dealt 10-6, dealer gets 8, so the running count is effectively 0. But as you keep hitting, this might change the running count to a different value, though it's still going to be small. Can I make any reasonable predictions with a running count of -2 for example?
I'm thinking card counting at online games is more useful if multiple players are playing at the same time, since more cards get to be dealt before the deck is shuffled at the next hand. Even then, only the player who bets last makes the most out of this.
So far playing black jack has never had such a detailed formula and if the counting really works, I think there will be plenty of gamblers who become successful at black jack easily. So, I'm not sure counting like that will always produce good results so still, everyone has at least a different level of luck, so whatever method or strategy is used can have both good and bad results.
Physical Gambling operators consider card counting a big threat to their business so they will try everything to eliminate that threat every players that comes along that is having a good success even if they are lucky that night is analyzed and if they have a continuous round of success chances are they will be ban. Even without reading the article, it was easy to guess that card counting in online casinos does not provide any advantage 
Firstly, it is obvious that in an online casino the deck is shuffled after each hand and this does not require any effort/time.
Secondly, no project in the digital world can exist if it can be "counted" and beaten. Therefore, if the casino exists, then card counting when playing in it does not provide any advantage.
Firstly, it is obvious that in an online casino the deck is shuffled after each hand and this does not require any effort/time.
Secondly, no project in the digital world can exist if it can be "counted" and beaten. Therefore, if the casino exists, then card counting when playing in it does not provide any advantage.
It's very likely too that bogus (AI) players can be salted into games or even a hand is played between hands by the gambler (ie a hand is played invisibly and those cards are discarded after play in the same manor as the cards being played by the gambler - that way even if you think you know what cards *might* be about to be played, the invisible hand(s) could potentially remove them)
Yes, such options are possible, but serious casinos are unlikely to do so. All these manipulations will be clearly visible if you take a large statistical sample. A casino caught on such manipulations will suffer big losses and most likely go bankrupt, therefore, if such things are done, then in new/small projects.
Even without reading the article, it was easy to guess that card counting in online casinos does not provide any advantage
Firstly, it is obvious that in an online casino the deck is shuffled after each hand and this does not require any effort/time.
Secondly, no project in the digital world can exist if it can be "counted" and beaten. Therefore, if the casino exists, then card counting when playing in it does not provide any advantage.
Firstly, it is obvious that in an online casino the deck is shuffled after each hand and this does not require any effort/time.
Secondly, no project in the digital world can exist if it can be "counted" and beaten. Therefore, if the casino exists, then card counting when playing in it does not provide any advantage.
It's very likely too that bogus (AI) players can be salted into games or even a hand is played between hands by the gambler (ie a hand is played invisibly and those cards are discarded after play in the same manor as the cards being played by the gambler - that way even if you think you know what cards *might* be about to be played, the invisible hand(s) could potentially remove them)
At the moment, this does not make any practical sense since the deck is shuffled long before the player (even the one who counted the cards completely) can gain an advantage.
I must say that the reason card counting has been scrapped from casinos is because it would otherwise put the player at an arguably greater advantage and thus giving them a higher winning chance.
Of course, this type of business will lead to casinos losing much more than they want as they're all about making money. SO asking for something like this is nothing more but futile.
To read more about how this is implemented in blackjack online casinos, click here. Happy reading
Even without reading the article, it was easy to guess that card counting in online casinos does not provide any advantage
Firstly, it is obvious that in an online casino the deck is shuffled after each hand and this does not require any effort/time.
Secondly, no project in the digital world can exist if it can be "counted" and beaten. Therefore, if the casino exists, then card counting when playing in it does not provide any advantage.
At the moment, this does not make any practical sense since the deck is shuffled long before the player (even the one who counted the cards completely) can gain an advantage.
I must say that the reason card counting has been scrapped from casinos is because it would otherwise put the player at an arguably greater advantage and thus giving them a higher winning chance.
Of course, this type of business will lead to casinos losing much more than they want as they're all about making money. SO asking for something like this is nothing more but futile.
To read more about how this is implemented in blackjack online casinos, click here. Happy reading
So far playing black jack has never had such a detailed formula and if the counting really works, I think there will be plenty of gamblers who become successful at black jack easily. So, I'm not sure counting like that will always produce good results so still, everyone has at least a different level of luck, so whatever method or strategy is used can have both good and bad results.
lets not cheat guys ,if we don't wanna lose then don't play at all.
LOL card counting is not in any way a cheat as long as you don't have any devices to do it like physical cards or anything that can act as a card. In fact card counting is hard to pull off especially when you are under pressure, or does have a short term memory. AFAIK, some dealers shuffles the card after every round to avoid these things to happen, it is not a cheating but when you have someone to help you to count it is an advantage against the casino. Do you know such people (who won a lot of money from the casino not just because of luck, but regularly based on their skill)? I would like to know about them in more detail because there are many legends and tales about such masters, but there is very little reliable information, so I doubt that they really exist/existed.
Here's one for you. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/04/the-man-who-broke-atlantic-city/308900/
Didn't really read it thoroughly, but the article doesn't seem to be lying with the fact that he beat those casinos with pure skill since the first casino he visited already had security cams analyzing his every movement to prevent any type of cheating. Card counting may be done in the mind, but it still needs obvious eye movement as well as some kind of pattern or rhythm that may be helpful to you in remembering (imo that is). That, or you can just have a perfect memory, which is almost impossible.
Although it seems like the biggest factor here was removing the edge for the house, and instead, giving it to the player. I've read some other articles, and they've also detailed about them winning on casinos not only based on skill, but also by negotiating with them on discounts and the like, they then start to break the bank of the casinos.
Thanks for the link to the article, I read it with interest. And I was very surprised because the events of almost modern times are described - the beginning of the 2000s - 2010s. I assumed that by this time the card counters had no chance to win something because of the measures that the casinos had thought up when they were fighting against similar players back in the 60s and 70s.
Do you know such people (who won a lot of money from the casino not just because of luck, but regularly based on their skill)? I would like to know about them in more detail because there are many legends and tales about such masters, but there is very little reliable information, so I doubt that they really exist/existed.
They exist and the casinos operators knows this, that is why they are always on the watch on who they think among their clients are engaged on card counting, physical casinos have a lot of cameras installed on their vicinity and of course they have people there to watch your face and your eyes expressions if you are engaged in card counting.
What about online black jack gaming? In a fully electronic game there is probably no edge for the player. But there are some live casino games with blackjack where you can actually see the dealer and his decks. From home it would be much easier to count cards. Anyone ever tried that?
I ask the same question few pages back and tried to search if card counting would work on online blackjack and it seems that online casinos use automatic shuffler every time a card is shown. although in the article that I have read, card counting could still work on online blackjack. but it would be trickier compare to the blackjack on a casino. they also said that there is a software that could card count for you on an online casino but it is usually forbidden to use.
https://www.casino.org/blackjack/card-counting/#:~:text=Yes%2C%20you%20can%20count%20cards,are%20generally%20forbidden%20to%20use.
Do you know such people (who won a lot of money from the casino not just because of luck, but regularly based on their skill)? I would like to know about them in more detail because there are many legends and tales about such masters, but there is very little reliable information, so I doubt that they really exist/existed.
They exist and the casinos operators knows this, that is why they are always on the watch on who they think among their clients are engaged on card counting, physical casinos have a lot of cameras installed on their vicinity and of course they have people there to watch your face and your eyes expressions if you are engaged in card counting.
What about online black jack gaming? In a fully electronic game there is probably no edge for the player. But there are some live casino games with blackjack where you can actually see the dealer and his decks. From home it would be much easier to count cards. Anyone ever tried that?
Do you know such people (who won a lot of money from the casino not just because of luck, but regularly based on their skill)? I would like to know about them in more detail because there are many legends and tales about such masters, but there is very little reliable information, so I doubt that they really exist/existed.
They exist and the casinos operators knows this, that is why they are always on the watch on who they think among their clients are engaged on card counting, physical casinos have a lot of cameras installed on their vicinity and of course they have people there to watch your face and your eyes expressions if you are engaged in card counting.
card counting used to be my style when playing with friends,they did not notice but i can read while they are throwing cards infront .
lets not cheat guys ,if we don't wanna lose then don't play at all.
There is only one way if this will work on you, try experimenting with small amount. But casinos will not ban card counting if that isn't effective and doesn't affect or changes the possibility of winning and losing of a player. They banned it because there are actual people who are good at it and they are making tons of money so this seem to work for some who really knows how to count cards.
Do you know such people (who won a lot of money from the casino not just because of luck, but regularly based on their skill)? I would like to know about them in more detail because there are many legends and tales about such masters, but there is very little reliable information, so I doubt that they really exist/existed.
Some of them played in early 1950s and 1970s. I have no doubt on this list so maybe you can check it out and check their background stories thoroughly. Card counting will sure not be banned if really there are some people who took advantage of it.
Oh I wasn't pertaining to something like that, what I meant was finding a sort of rhythm when remembering to count the cards, so that it's a lot easier to remember. There's the idea of using the +1 0 -1 strategy in card counting, plus add that to a sort of rhythm that loops in your mind to remind you what cards were in the said categories, which makes card counting a lot easier imo. Apologies if I came out a bit different from what I meant to. It's like a supportive device towards the main core of your strategy in card counting.
Yeh, I think I can see where you're coming from. One I heard a long time ago involved foot movements from back to front as a type of card counting. I would imagine you'd have to be able to sit near perfectly still and be able to look relaxed enough that your foot moving didn't arouse suspicion. (then again replaying the activity in fast forward might give that game away)
I think the problem is being over thought - you don't need to have a "perfect" memory. Why would you want to recall a hand that was delt to you weeks ago? It has no relevance in the here and now. What you would need to do is be able to recall patterns first card... first card, second card... first card, second card, third card ... and so on.
When you're driving for an hour, do you see a car, lorry, bus etc or a distinctive license plate then half an hour later, you vaguely recall that same bus, lorry, car? I would imagine it's something like that where you only have to recall something a few moments later.
Oh I wasn't pertaining to something like that, what I meant was finding a sort of rhythm when remembering to count the cards, so that it's a lot easier to remember. There's the idea of using the +1 0 -1 strategy in card counting, plus add that to a sort of rhythm that loops in your mind to remind you what cards were in the said categories, which makes card counting a lot easier imo. Apologies if I came out a bit different from what I meant to. It's like a supportive device towards the main core of your strategy in card counting. When you're driving for an hour, do you see a car, lorry, bus etc or a distinctive license plate then half an hour later, you vaguely recall that same bus, lorry, car? I would imagine it's something like that where you only have to recall something a few moments later.
Do you know such people (who won a lot of money from the casino not just because of luck, but regularly based on their skill)? I would like to know about them in more detail because there are many legends and tales about such masters, but there is very little reliable information, so I doubt that they really exist/existed.
They exist and the casinos operators knows this, that is why they are always on the watch on who they think among their clients are engaged on card counting, physical casinos have a lot of cameras installed on their vicinity and of course they have people there to watch your face and your eyes expressions if you are engaged in card counting.
Do you know such people (who won a lot of money from the casino not just because of luck, but regularly based on their skill)? I would like to know about them in more detail because there are many legends and tales about such masters, but there is very little reliable information, so I doubt that they really exist/existed.
Here's one for you. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/04/the-man-who-broke-atlantic-city/308900/
Didn't really read it thoroughly, but the article doesn't seem to be lying with the fact that he beat those casinos with pure skill since the first casino he visited already had security cams analyzing his every movement to prevent any type of cheating. Card counting may be done in the mind, but it still needs obvious eye movement as well as some kind of pattern or rhythm that may be helpful to you in remembering (imo that is). That, or you can just have a perfect memory, which is almost impossible.
Although it seems like the biggest factor here was removing the edge for the house, and instead, giving it to the player. I've read some other articles, and they've also detailed about them winning on casinos not only based on skill, but also by negotiating with them on discounts and the like, they then start to break the bank of the casinos.
It's true that Don Johnson is a fairly well-known gambling legend, his skill at playing blackjack cannot be doubted. Managed to win $ 15 million
from several casinos in America. The possibility of Don Johnson doing card counting, so it is proven that gamblers who win a lot of money at
the casino based on the skills they have actually exist. Therefore it is not impossible that we can also use the card counting strategy, but we do
have to practice diligently in order to master card counting.
... Card counting may be done in the mind, but it still needs obvious eye movement as well as some kind of pattern or rhythm that may be helpful to you in remembering (imo that is). That, or you can just have a perfect memory, which is almost impossible. ...
I think the problem is being over thought - you don't need to have a "perfect" memory. Why would you want to recall a hand that was delt to you weeks ago? It has no relevance in the here and now. What you would need to do is be able to recall patterns first card... first card, second card... first card, second card, third card ... and so on.
When you're driving for an hour, do you see a car, lorry, bus etc or a distinctive license plate then half an hour later, you vaguely recall that same bus, lorry, car? I would imagine it's something like that where you only have to recall something a few moments later.
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