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Topic: Can I hold a short position for months or years ? (Read 3503 times)

newbie
Activity: 40
Merit: 0
I think holding your position for the long term is about the best bet right now in the Bitcoin market.
hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 500
Of course you can . Try okcoin , you can trade btc and ltc futures with 20x leverage , you can short it for a maximum 4 months position without ANY daily fees (only opening trade commission) . If you want to short it for years , then each 4 months =profits delivery , than re-open a short.


okcoin tutorial beginners guide : http://okcoin-tutorial-begginers-guide.blogspot.de/


Regards

When you use futures, you don't have to pay daily fees.
hero member
Activity: 493
Merit: 504
Of course you can . Try okcoin , you can trade btc and ltc futures with 20x leverage , you can short it for a maximum 4 months position without ANY daily fees (only opening trade commission) . If you want to short it for years , then each 4 months =profits delivery , than re-open a short.


okcoin tutorial beginners guide : http://okcoin-tutorial-begginers-guide.blogspot.de/


Regards
hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 500
Thanks for the informations. IG is bigger and stronger but it could disapear overnight too.

Sure, but your money is at risk anytime it's not under your mattress (and then, your bedroom could catch fire Smiley ).
I don't want to sound like I'm trying to sell anything, but read this as part of your due dilligence before making any decisions.

http://www.ig.com/uk/client-funds

Disclaimer:
I have no financial interest in IG or any other CFD provider, apart from using their services with caution.

When your money is under your matress you risk to lose value as the money supply is inflated.
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 1737
"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."
Thanks for the informations. IG is bigger and stronger but it could disapear overnight too.

Sure, but your money is at risk anytime it's not under your mattress (and then, your bedroom could catch fire Smiley ).
I don't want to sound like I'm trying to sell anything, but read this as part of your due dilligence before making any decisions.

http://www.ig.com/uk/client-funds

Disclaimer:
I have no financial interest in IG or any other CFD provider, apart from using their services with caution.
hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 500
yes you can hold them for months/years
but make sure you are trading with legit and reputable companies that will not run with your money

Depends what country you are in, but in the UK you can trade a BTC 'tracker' derivative with fiat margin off exchange, no need for wallet, transfers etc. on long established multi million backed platforms.

Search CFD (contract for difference) trading.

The problem with CFDs are they are mostly run by market makers most of whom are not known to be scruplous. I don't know of a CFD operator that correctly publishes their current volume and if the contracts you are trading does have good volume then yes, fine for short term holding; for long term they tend to apply all sorts of charges.

Correct my impression of CFD operators if outdated or not correct.

Thanks

I hear what you're saying.
The CFD industry (which I'm certainly not shilling for) has been around for 40 years now and a big player like IG has a market cap of £2.6 billion and is publicly listed. They took a £25 million hit on the recent Swiss Franc black swan and shrugged it off, whereas one or two smaller outfits went to the wall.
I guess the lesson is to use the big guys, despite a natural inclination to support smaller ventures.
Sure, there are costs of holding long term positions, but that's the nature of things. It depends on personal factors whether you think the overall package is worth the cost.
I'm a full time short term trader and some of the things I see them do, stop hunting etc. irritate me, but then I remind myself that I'm dealing with a bookmaker.
Volume disclosure is only important to me for trading analysis and I get that from the underlying asset stats.
They make reasonable spreads 24/7 and I am not big enough to see any liquidity problems.
Also, the tax situation is clean and simple.
Spread betting (as opposed to CFD) profits are tax exempt, although losses aren't allowable.

TL:DR
Derivative trading is simple and can be useful where the underlying asset (like bitcoin) infrastructure is opaque. Trade with the big guys, keep your wits about you and remember, as they all say  "losses can exceed your deposit".

Thanks for the informations. IG is bigger and stronger but it could disapear overnight too.
b!z
legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1010
It's called "short" for a reason lol
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
yes you can hold them for months/years
but make sure you are trading with legit and reputable companies that will not run with your money

Depends what country you are in, but in the UK you can trade a BTC 'tracker' derivative with fiat margin off exchange, no need for wallet, transfers etc. on long established multi million backed platforms.

Search CFD (contract for difference) trading.

The problem with CFDs are they are mostly run by market makers most of whom are not known to be scruplous. I don't know of a CFD operator that correctly publishes their current volume and if the contracts you are trading does have good volume then yes, fine for short term holding; for long term they tend to apply all sorts of charges.

Correct my impression of CFD operators if outdated or not correct.

Thanks

I hear what you're saying.
The CFD industry (which I'm certainly not shilling for) has been around for 40 years now and a big player like IG has a market cap of £2.6 billion and is publicly listed. They took a £25 million hit on the recent Swiss Franc black swan and shrugged it off, whereas one or two smaller outfits went to the wall.
I guess the lesson is to use the big guys, despite a natural inclination to support smaller ventures.
Sure, there are costs of holding long term positions, but that's the nature of things. It depends on personal factors whether you think the overall package is worth the cost.
I'm a full time short term trader and some of the things I see them do, stop hunting etc. irritate me, but then I remind myself that I'm dealing with a bookmaker.
Volume disclosure is only important to me for trading analysis and I get that from the underlying asset stats.
They make reasonable spreads 24/7 and I am not big enough to see any liquidity problems.
Also, the tax situation is clean and simple.
Spread betting (as opposed to CFD) profits are tax exempt, although losses aren't allowable.

TL:DR
Derivative trading is simple and can be useful where the underlying asset (like bitcoin) infrastructure is opaque. Trade with the big guys, keep your wits about you and remember, as they all say  "losses can exceed your deposit".

Thanks for the advice. I will definitely look at IG. I am also looking at BitMEX but I guess they need to mature a bit.
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 1737
"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."
yes you can hold them for months/years
but make sure you are trading with legit and reputable companies that will not run with your money

Depends what country you are in, but in the UK you can trade a BTC 'tracker' derivative with fiat margin off exchange, no need for wallet, transfers etc. on long established multi million backed platforms.

Search CFD (contract for difference) trading.

The problem with CFDs are they are mostly run by market makers most of whom are not known to be scruplous. I don't know of a CFD operator that correctly publishes their current volume and if the contracts you are trading does have good volume then yes, fine for short term holding; for long term they tend to apply all sorts of charges.

Correct my impression of CFD operators if outdated or not correct.

Thanks

I hear what you're saying.
The CFD industry (which I'm certainly not shilling for) has been around for 40 years now and a big player like IG has a market cap of £2.6 billion and is publicly listed. They took a £25 million hit on the recent Swiss Franc black swan and shrugged it off, whereas one or two smaller outfits went to the wall.
I guess the lesson is to use the big guys, despite a natural inclination to support smaller ventures.
Sure, there are costs of holding long term positions, but that's the nature of things. It depends on personal factors whether you think the overall package is worth the cost.
I'm a full time short term trader and some of the things I see them do, stop hunting etc. irritate me, but then I remind myself that I'm dealing with a bookmaker.
Volume disclosure is only important to me for trading analysis and I get that from the underlying asset stats.
They make reasonable spreads 24/7 and I am not big enough to see any liquidity problems.
Also, the tax situation is clean and simple.
Spread betting (as opposed to CFD) profits are tax exempt, although losses aren't allowable.

TL:DR
Derivative trading is simple and can be useful where the underlying asset (like bitcoin) infrastructure is opaque. Trade with the big guys, keep your wits about you and remember, as they all say  "losses can exceed your deposit".
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
yes you can hold them for months/years
but make sure you are trading with legit and reputable companies that will not run with your money

Depends what country you are in, but in the UK you can trade a BTC 'tracker' derivative with fiat margin off exchange, no need for wallet, transfers etc. on long established multi million backed platforms.

Search CFD (contract for difference) trading.

The problem with CFDs are they are mostly run by market makers most of whom are not known to be scruplous. I don't know of a CFD operator that correctly publishes their current volume and if the contracts you are trading does have good volume then yes, fine for short term holding; for long term they tend to apply all sorts of charges.

Correct my impression of CFD operators if outdated or not correct.

Thanks
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 1737
"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."
yes you can hold them for months/years
but make sure you are trading with legit and reputable companies that will not run with your money

Depends what country you are in, but in the UK you can trade a BTC 'tracker' derivative with fiat margin off exchange, no need for wallet, transfers etc. on long established multi million backed platforms.

Search CFD (contract for difference) trading.
legendary
Activity: 1330
Merit: 1009
like bitfinex Cheesy
hero member
Activity: 868
Merit: 1000
yes you can hold them for months/years
but make sure you are trading with legit and reputable companies that will not run with your money
legendary
Activity: 1330
Merit: 1009
If we take last year charts for example and sold at $800 you could have held that $800 (equiv. to one BTC) at beginning of year and could have made out with four BTC by the end. IF you rode the waves you could have made/lost potentially more.
sr. member
Activity: 241
Merit: 250
yes, you can.

and good luck with you  Wink
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1183
Dunno if this has been asked but what are you holding against? if you hold against an altcoin, the altcoin has big % of crashing and dissapearing from the exchange, unless you are putting in in the couple ones that are worth long time , and still a big risk.
hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 500
Can I hold a short position in BTC vs any other for months or years ? Please restrict to top five exchanges only as liquidity alone defines an exchange.

Thank you

As long as the service is offering you to keep the positoin and there is liquidity you can hold the position but the third party will disapear if Bitcoin goes to zero and you will pay a daily or monthly fee to keep your position.
newbie
Activity: 40
Merit: 0
Just use a derivative to sell short.
Also, if you want to hold coins for actual practical use, i.e. spending, but not be vulnerable to losing against their $ value, then you can use derivatives that way too, "hedging".
 

All this options is to dangerous to use them, be ready to lose, and do not invest more than you can lose...

Yes, now i am reading different topics at bitcointalk, and i can see that now, it is not a good time to start work with BTC, i think better now wait and watch at the market.

So, you are late on 4 years to have good start)) And what are you want to wait?
newbie
Activity: 33
Merit: 0
Just use a derivative to sell short.
Also, if you want to hold coins for actual practical use, i.e. spending, but not be vulnerable to losing against their $ value, then you can use derivatives that way too, "hedging".
 

All this options is to dangerous to use them, be ready to lose, and do not invest more than you can lose...

Yes, now i am reading different topics at bitcointalk, and i can see that now, it is not a good time to start work with BTC, i think better now wait and watch at the market.
newbie
Activity: 40
Merit: 0
Just use a derivative to sell short.
Also, if you want to hold coins for actual practical use, i.e. spending, but not be vulnerable to losing against their $ value, then you can use derivatives that way too, "hedging".
 

All this options is to dangerous to use them, be ready to lose, and do not invest more than you can lose...
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