Can logic sway the BTC community? (Segwit is dead) - page 2.

penig

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Quote from: gotminer on February 07, 2018, 01:26:52 PM

Quote from: thesavoyard on February 07, 2018, 01:25:50 PM

Quote from: stompix on February 07, 2018, 01:22:36 PM

Quote from: thesavoyard on February 07, 2018, 01:17:28 PM

Quote from: gotminer on February 07, 2018, 01:16:03 PM

Coinbase is implementing Segwit support.

Yet the mining pools, the only ones who can upgrade the network don't support it.

So you send a Segwit transaction, it's either processed as a non-segwit transaction or doesn't get picked up at all due to being incompatible.

I don't know what you're smoking but it's some pretty damn stuff.

You know what was the purpose of that signaling ?
Do you have a single example of how a segwit transactions doesn't get picked up because it's "incompatible" ?

Crawl back to the altcoin section ....

Another ignorant maximalist.

https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size

Looks like you are trying to sell something.

Segwit support it looks like. Why shoot the messenger, is there support for Segwit, is it in commong use? No. Bitcoin has forked over this issue, we saw $30 transaction fees last month, what will it take to make people move forward and adopt some improvement to Bitcoin?

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Quote from: Hazir on February 07, 2018, 02:05:46 PM

Quote from: thesavoyard on February 07, 2018, 01:07:06 PM

Stop being played, Satoshi left BTC, you owe him your gratitude, not Bitcoin. Move on to a superior tech before you sink us all.
https://blockchain.info/charts/bip-9-segwit

You don't know what happened to Satoshi, no one knows the truth behind this story, so please don't use it as any kind of argument for your speculation.
It is not that bitcoin is doomed to fail because it is impossible to change the code or core protocol, on the contrary upgrades are necessary.
From my experience, I know that if bitcoin would really be in danger everyone: miners, devs and community would fight together to keep it alive.
We have not reached that point of no return yet, there is no need to complain.

I do know what happened to Satoshi. He left when Wikileaks started excepting BTC. Then he emailed his old crypto-Anarchist friends. I don't know what he's doing now, but he wasn't a fanboy, he was a rationalist. So there is little chance he has blind loyalty to a brand. He most likely changed Pseudos and started working on fixing the problems with BTC by joining other projects.

BTC is the danger to the entire community, becoming less useful, risking tons of money. The miners will exploit that as long as they can get away with it. Blockchain is Satoshi's baby, BTC is no longer, he left remember? So you can support any public ledger crypto and you're still supporting Satoshi's dream. Stop trying to claim BTC is the one and only.

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Quote from: thesavoyard on February 07, 2018, 01:07:06 PM

Stop being played, Satoshi left BTC, you owe him your gratitude, not Bitcoin. Move on to a superior tech before you sink us all.
https://blockchain.info/charts/bip-9-segwit

You don't know what happened to Satoshi, no one knows the truth behind this story, so please don't use it as any kind of argument for your speculation.
It is not that bitcoin is doomed to fail because it is impossible to change the code or core protocol, on the contrary upgrades are necessary.
From my experience, I know that if bitcoin would really be in danger everyone: miners, devs and community would fight together to keep it alive.
We have not reached that point of no return yet, there is no need to complain.

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Ok, I see some flaws in my argument, but no one here caught them because this community doesn't know how BTC and cryptos work.

The final piece of evidence needed, Segwit is not online, average transaction per second is back to where it started.

https://blockchain.info/charts/transactions-per-second?timespan=1year

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Quote from: stompix on February 07, 2018, 01:29:12 PM

Quote from: thesavoyard on February 07, 2018, 01:25:50 PM

Quote from: stompix on February 07, 2018, 01:22:36 PM

Quote from: thesavoyard on February 07, 2018, 01:17:28 PM

Quote from: gotminer on February 07, 2018, 01:16:03 PM

Coinbase is implementing Segwit support.

Yet the mining pools, the only ones who can upgrade the network don't support it.

So you send a Segwit transaction, it's either processed as a non-segwit transaction or doesn't get picked up at all due to being incompatible.

I don't know what you're smoking but it's some pretty damn stuff.

You know what was the purpose of that signaling ?
Do you have a single example of how a segwit transactions doesn't get picked up because it's "incompatible" ?

Crawl back to the altcoin section ....

Another ignorant maximalist.
https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size

So, if miners reject it, how is that graph even possible?
And you have't answered the question about the signaling...why do they have to keep signaling when it's a done deal?

Quote from: thesavoyard on February 07, 2018, 01:28:06 PM

I guess I'm just trolling

Yeah, and you're doing a lame job at it.

LOL it's not a done deal, they aren't running Segwit.

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Quote from: thesavoyard on February 07, 2018, 01:25:50 PM

Quote from: stompix on February 07, 2018, 01:22:36 PM

Quote from: thesavoyard on February 07, 2018, 01:17:28 PM

Quote from: gotminer on February 07, 2018, 01:16:03 PM

Coinbase is implementing Segwit support.

Yet the mining pools, the only ones who can upgrade the network don't support it.

So you send a Segwit transaction, it's either processed as a non-segwit transaction or doesn't get picked up at all due to being incompatible.

I don't know what you're smoking but it's some pretty damn stuff.

You know what was the purpose of that signaling ?
Do you have a single example of how a segwit transactions doesn't get picked up because it's "incompatible" ?

Crawl back to the altcoin section ....

Another ignorant maximalist.
https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size

So, if miners reject it, how is that graph even possible?
And you have't answered the question about the signaling...why do they have to keep signaling when it's a done deal?

Quote from: thesavoyard on February 07, 2018, 01:28:06 PM

I guess I'm just trolling

Yeah, and you're doing a lame job at it.

thesavoyard

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Quote from: gotminer on February 07, 2018, 01:26:52 PM

Quote from: thesavoyard on February 07, 2018, 01:25:50 PM

Quote from: stompix on February 07, 2018, 01:22:36 PM

Quote from: thesavoyard on February 07, 2018, 01:17:28 PM

Quote from: gotminer on February 07, 2018, 01:16:03 PM

Coinbase is implementing Segwit support.

Yet the mining pools, the only ones who can upgrade the network don't support it.

So you send a Segwit transaction, it's either processed as a non-segwit transaction or doesn't get picked up at all due to being incompatible.

I don't know what you're smoking but it's some pretty damn stuff.

You know what was the purpose of that signaling ?
Do you have a single example of how a segwit transactions doesn't get picked up because it's "incompatible" ?

Crawl back to the altcoin section ....

Another ignorant maximalist.

https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size

Looks like you are trying to sell something.

I guess I'm just trolling then trying to make a rational argument to the BTC fanbase.

@DooMad Then why is block size less than 5% increased? Within tolerance, a MB is 1024 KB so most of that above 1000kb is just BS. Only a few tiny fanbased mining pools are running Segwit.

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Quote from: thesavoyard on February 07, 2018, 01:07:06 PM

With BIP 148, all mining pools signaled for Segwit. As soon as the danger passed, they abandoned it. Segwit is officially dead, 0% support.

I can't tell if you've been out of the loop for a while or if you just haven't been paying attention. The reason miners don't need to signal their support for SegWit is that it's a done deal. We're past that now and SegWit is active on the network. Average blockweight is now frequently above 1MB, so whatever the miners do or don't signal is irrelevant.

Quote from: thesavoyard on February 07, 2018, 01:07:06 PM

Lightening network is an unsecure, non-blockchain joke.

You can't make any Lightning transactions unless you have funds secured on the blockchain to begin with.

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Quote from: thesavoyard on February 07, 2018, 01:25:50 PM

Quote from: stompix on February 07, 2018, 01:22:36 PM

Quote from: thesavoyard on February 07, 2018, 01:17:28 PM

Quote from: gotminer on February 07, 2018, 01:16:03 PM

Coinbase is implementing Segwit support.

Yet the mining pools, the only ones who can upgrade the network don't support it.

So you send a Segwit transaction, it's either processed as a non-segwit transaction or doesn't get picked up at all due to being incompatible.

I don't know what you're smoking but it's some pretty damn stuff.

You know what was the purpose of that signaling ?
Do you have a single example of how a segwit transactions doesn't get picked up because it's "incompatible" ?

Crawl back to the altcoin section ....

Another ignorant maximalist.

https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size

Looks like you are trying to sell something.

thesavoyard

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Quote from: stompix on February 07, 2018, 01:22:36 PM

Quote from: thesavoyard on February 07, 2018, 01:17:28 PM

Quote from: gotminer on February 07, 2018, 01:16:03 PM

Coinbase is implementing Segwit support.

Yet the mining pools, the only ones who can upgrade the network don't support it.

So you send a Segwit transaction, it's either processed as a non-segwit transaction or doesn't get picked up at all due to being incompatible.

I don't know what you're smoking but it's some pretty damn stuff.

You know what was the purpose of that signaling ?
Do you have a single example of how a segwit transactions doesn't get picked up because it's "incompatible" ?

Crawl back to the altcoin section ....

Another ignorant maximalist.

https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size

Maybe you should read up a little, if the miners don't run segwit there is no segwit. BTC has a miner based governance. Adding Segwit to nodes just shows support, nothing else.

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Quote from: gotminer on February 07, 2018, 01:20:46 PM

Quote from: thesavoyard on February 07, 2018, 01:17:28 PM

Quote from: gotminer on February 07, 2018, 01:16:03 PM

Coinbase is implementing Segwit support.

Yet the mining pools, the only ones who can upgrade the network don't support it.

So you send a Segwit transaction, it's either processed as a non-segwit transaction or doesn't get picked up at all due to being incompatible.

How do you know that none of the mining pools will support it?

They supported it when they were in danger of from BIT 148, then they backstabbed the community. I know they won't support it because they were running Segwit, then they 100% abandoned it. The link was in the first post but here you go:

https://blockchain.info/charts/bip-9-segwit

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Quote from: thesavoyard on February 07, 2018, 01:17:28 PM

Quote from: gotminer on February 07, 2018, 01:16:03 PM

Coinbase is implementing Segwit support.

Yet the mining pools, the only ones who can upgrade the network don't support it.

So you send a Segwit transaction, it's either processed as a non-segwit transaction or doesn't get picked up at all due to being incompatible.

I don't know what you're smoking but it's some pretty damn stuff.

You know what was the purpose of that signaling ?
Do you have a single example of how a segwit transactions doesn't get picked up because it's "incompatible" ?

Crawl back to the altcoin section ....

gotminer

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Quote from: thesavoyard on February 07, 2018, 01:17:28 PM

Quote from: gotminer on February 07, 2018, 01:16:03 PM

Coinbase is implementing Segwit support.

Yet the mining pools, the only ones who can upgrade the network don't support it.

So you send a Segwit transaction, it's either processed as a non-segwit transaction or doesn't get picked up at all due to being incompatible.

How do you know that none of the mining pools will support it?

thesavoyard

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Quote from: gotminer on February 07, 2018, 01:16:03 PM

Coinbase is implementing Segwit support.

Yet the mining pools, the only ones who can upgrade the network don't support it.

So you send a Segwit transaction, it's either processed as a non-segwit transaction or doesn't get picked up at all due to being incompatible.

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Coinbase is implementing Segwit support.

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With BIP 148, all mining pools signaled for Segwit. As soon as the danger passed, they abandoned it. Segwit is officially dead, 0% support.

Lightening network is an unsecure, non-blockchain joke. The core team are a bunch of slimy libertarians that sabotage BTC, kind of like many of the idiots in this industry.

Stop being played, Satoshi left BTC, you owe him your gratitude, not Bitcoin. Move on to a superior tech before you sink us all.

https://blockchain.info/charts/bip-9-segwit

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