Can moderators be asked to close threads of banned accounts?

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 12, 2021, 08:48:09 AM

I think each case should be viewed differently.
As we know from the history of this forum, most banned members have failed through such topics to get forgiveness from the admin and a second chance at this forum.
However, in very rare cases, some banned members with the great support of the forum community managed to get forgiveness from the admin and their permaban was removed, based on their contribution and importance to the forum.
Based on that, I don't think moderators should be asked to remove such threads.
If a topic has the support of the forum community then it will survive and stay active for years, if needed.
Otherwise, if there is no support from the forum community, the topic will die naturally and there will be no need for any moderator intervention.

Useful topic are always helpful in the forum as they help to resolve some challenge entangled by other users. If a topic from a ban user is considered void the admin in due time have such topic mod and if it is considered good topic the mod then survive the post not to get deleted

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I think each case should be viewed differently.
As we know from the history of this forum, most banned members have failed through such topics to get forgiveness from the admin and a second chance at this forum.
However, in very rare cases, some banned members with the great support of the forum community managed to get forgiveness from the admin and their permaban was removed, based on their contribution and importance to the forum.
Based on that, I don't think moderators should be asked to remove such threads.
If a topic has the support of the forum community then it will survive and stay active for years, if needed.
Otherwise, if there is no support from the forum community, the topic will die naturally and there will be no need for any moderator intervention.

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It's a difficult case because there are some banned users that have contributed some good threads so deleting their threads is somewhat debatable also I think that we should leave it to the moderators discretion whether they should delete the thread or not.

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As i know banned Users and Accounts can for sure add and remove Users to there Trust list.
That was a discuss already in a other thread already.
Best example is the user korner and a few others,after they got banned they added me or distrusted me on there Personal Trust list.
Dont know if that has already changed.

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I would not like moderators deleting everything from banned accounts for various reasons, maybe they could lock their topics but lot of work is needed to do this manually and there is no real benefit.
I am also thinking what would happen with inactive accounts like Lauda, Satoshi and others who are banned because they wanted to be banned.

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One more example.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on June 11, 2021, 04:19:33 AM

Quote from: sapnu on June 10, 2021, 11:20:35 AM

useful tips

Raised the topic a month later. Has anyone noticed the OP's interest in the answers that have been offered to him?
It seems that he has not come here for a long time, and he is not interested.
Also, the OP has plagiarism.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57208284

Will we continue to spam with tips in this thread?

Do you think that someone has read that the OP has plagiarized and has not read this topic for a long time? It would be correct to teach users to read, at least the last few posts, and if this does not lead to a result, just delete posts.

Quote from: Pmalek on June 12, 2021, 03:50:58 AM

I always thought that banned users can't take part in any activities, which includes posting, sending PMs, sending merits, making trust related edits, adding/supporting flags...

No, it doesn't work for them

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on June 11, 2021, 03:30:57 AM

I agree that banned users threads should automatically be locked when they are banned (if they are unbanned, then the user themselves can unlock the threads - should they choose to do so).

I think it should be considered case by case. You should also take into account who the banned user is. Obviously the two threads linked in the OP are good examples of topics that should be locked, but we have had many cases where senior members get banned for plagiarism that happened years ago. Those members could have created quality threads that can remain active even without their OPs still around. That's why I don't think it should become a rule to have all threads by all banned users locked automatically. Instead, the admins should check who the person was and what kind of contributions they made to the forum in the same way they do when determining whether a ban should be lifted or not.

Keeping the threads open would also prevent a similar thread to be opened about the same topic. When users look for valuable information, they now have to search through two threads instead of just the one.

Quote from: Lafu on June 11, 2021, 10:31:40 AM

Banned Users can also change there Truslist and manipulate it on this way also .

I always thought that banned users can't take part in any activities, which includes posting, sending PMs, sending merits, making trust related edits, adding/supporting flags...

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on June 11, 2021, 02:37:43 AM

In my bitter experience, a blocked account cannot do anything while it is blocked. Although it may work differently today. And also, if you think logically, blocked accounts are unlikely to want to close topics, since they, as a rule, immediately take offense at the
forum.

For blocked Users and Accounts i guess that they cant do anything on there Accounts or stuff !
But we talking for banned Users and not blocked Accounts right ?
I understand that hopefully right that banned Users can loggin to there Accounts and blocked Users not or ?
Banned Users can also change there Truslist and manipulate it on this way also .

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Quote from: Lafu on June 11, 2021, 02:24:29 AM

I dont know or more i have forgot it but is it possible that a banned Account can lock his Thread and and unlock it again ?
Guess i have seen it somewhere the answer but dont know where and i am a bit lazy today , sry Kiss

Should be normal possible that they can do this as they can do some little other things too.

Actually a ban users can still have access to lock their topic and also unlock it. The only things such users cannot do is replying or quoting on it.

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I agree that banned users threads should automatically be locked when they are banned (if they are unbanned, then the user themselves can unlock the threads - should they choose to do so).

In saying that however, users posts won't be removed until long after they have been paid for that week's posts. Even a nuked user's threads when removed will only cause a few days' worth of posts to be lost (perhaps even only one or two).

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Quote from: Lafu on June 11, 2021, 02:24:29 AM

I dont know or more i have forgot it but is it possible that a banned Account can lock his Thread and and unlock it again ?
Guess i have seen it somewhere the answer but dont know where and i am a bit lazy today , sry Kiss

Should be normal possible that they can do this as they can do some little other things too.

In my bitter experience, a blocked account cannot do anything while it is blocked. Although it may work differently today. And also, if you think logically, blocked accounts are unlikely to want to close topics, since they, as a rule, immediately take offense at the
forum.

Quote from: hugeblack on June 11, 2021, 02:13:04 AM

example:

- Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
- MicroStrategy Buys $250M in Bitcoin, Calling the Crypto ‘Superior to Cash’

Did you carefully read what I wrote about? Show me where in your given topics the blocked users? I understand perfectly well that some topics that opened several years ago remain relevant today.
But your inattentive reading, on the contrary, speaks of such answers, which sometimes go against the thoughts of the topic. Sad

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on June 10, 2021, 06:03:48 PM

It's funny, ..

As always, you are brilliant in your reasoning. You hear exactly what I wanted to convey.

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I dont know or more i have forgot it but is it possible that a banned Account can lock his Thread and and unlock it again ?
Guess i have seen it somewhere the answer but dont know where and i am a bit lazy today , sry Kiss

Should be normal possible that they can do this as they can do some little other things too.

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The forum is for discussion between members, so sometimes some users are more interested in a topic than the one who created the topic.
example:

- Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
- MicroStrategy Buys $250M in Bitcoin, Calling the Crypto ‘Superior to Cash’
Therefore, the fact that the user follows the responses that occur in the topic is not a reason to close the topic or not, although the user has the preference to lock his topic whenever he wants.

So, report that the thread has turned to trolling, regardless of the OP's status.

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User's topic maybe considered worthy by the mod. If the topic is not it would have be moderated and or either took to off topic. I see no reason why ban account has to be deleted simply because they are ban. Some of their topic raised and contribution can still be a solution to some of the problems that may arise.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on June 10, 2021, 03:03:57 AM

Recently, I have come across many topics that have long lost their relevance, but the OP did not close the topic itself, due to its ban, but the topic remained alive.
Can we complain to the moderators that the messages that come after the warning that the OP is banned are low-level messages? The topic is no longer relevant and the person who asked will not read the answers, but people, without reading it, just post the same thing.
Or is it possible to make a second solution to warn the moderators to close the topic themselves?

Examples of similar topics:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57070726

Quote from: isaac_clarke22 on May 24, 2021, 02:09:26 PM

No point of lecturing the OP anymore, hopefully s/he learns a lesson or two from what message will appear on his/her homepage of the forum.

https://i.ibb.co/0c2bh5R/banhammer.png

There was a warning about the pointlessness of continuing to teach the OP. But the topic is still relevant.

Another topic: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.56574193

Quote from: Rikafip on June 09, 2021, 12:06:50 AM

Since OP got banned for plagiarism ( ironic considering he started this thread) he won't be able to answer your questions, but most obvious reason is ignorance. Anyway, @nullius already explained this issue earlier in the thread and root of the word "plagiarism"

We turn some topics into mega threads ourselves.
Do you think that after five pages, someone will read the entire history of the branch? Therefore, they will write the same thing there.

If people know that their messages can be deleted, then it will be unprofitable for them to write platitudes.

The users account maybe ban but the topic may be useful. Because I believe mod don't ban an account with one action. The person might have done something that deserved that ban action outside the topic

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It's funny, the first thread OP linked to was started by Shikha99, who registered on May 17th, 2021. Two of the replies were from newbies (Shamm and Nanty), who registered on May 14th and 15th, respectively. You have to wonder if that thread was created in order for Shikha99 to post replies in with his alt accounts--or for his friends to do so. I have a hard time believing those accounts represent three different people, but maybe I'm being too jaded and cynical.

Even in the second thread OP linked to there were two newbie members whose registration dates were close, and it's unusual for newbies to be anywhere near Meta, much less have them all posting in a worthless thread like that.

In any case, both threads were complete garbage and it would indeed be senseless to just let them go on and on, especially since there have been periods where some band of idiots start necrobumping dead threads that should never have been started in the first place. I support OP's idea fully.

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Moderators can be asked to do anything... Whether or not they will comply is another story. As others have stated, if the thread is an obvious spam haven then they would likely lock it.

I don't think having a policy in place where all banned accounts will have all their topics locked is necessarily a good idea. I don't even think their trust feedback is removed at this point... Best case scenario those threads would die out on their own, but if they continue to be bumped the solution appears to be to report those posts so they are removed and the thread can fall back into the forgotten archive of time.

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I guess it depends on what kind of Threads they have done and written , also for what they got banned.
Mostly the reason and Threads of the Users why they got banned gets deleted.
I think its case by case thing, but yeah as already written before just Report them.

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You can report any thread you think should be locked, regardless of whether or not the OP is banned or inactive. Just report the first post in the thread and explain why you think it should be locked. Being a "spam megathread" with endless repetitive generic replies is a common reason I would give.

Locking threads does nothing to the posts already made, though. If you want them deleted, you'll need to report them individually as well.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on June 10, 2021, 03:03:57 AM

If people know that their messages can be deleted, then it will be unprofitable for them to write platitudes.

And people will figure that out after their posts gets deleted enough time. In the 2nd example of yours, user @Delightcrypto1 bumped thread that was inactive for couple of months. I reported the post (that got deleted pretty fast, ) for bumping inactive thread but while waiting for post to gets deleted, few more were written, and conversation went on.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on June 10, 2021, 03:03:57 AM

Can we complain to the moderators that the messages that come after the warning that the OP is banned are low-level messages? The topic is no longer relevant and the person who asked will not read the answers, but people, without reading it, just post the same thing.

Imho, best is to simply report post or two, just to try it out. And if its marked as good, then continue doing do.

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Recently, I have come across many topics that have long lost their relevance, but the OP did not close the topic itself, due to its ban, but the topic remained alive.
Can we complain to the moderators that the messages that come after the warning that the OP is banned are low-level messages? The topic is no longer relevant and the person who asked will not read the answers, but people, without reading it, just post the same thing.
Or is it possible to make a second solution to warn the moderators to close the topic themselves?

Examples of similar topics:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57070726

Quote from: isaac_clarke22 on May 24, 2021, 02:09:26 PM

No point of lecturing the OP anymore, hopefully s/he learns a lesson or two from what message will appear on his/her homepage of the forum.

There was a warning about the pointlessness of continuing to teach the OP. But the topic is still relevant.

Another topic: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.56574193

Quote from: Rikafip on June 09, 2021, 12:06:50 AM

Since OP got banned for plagiarism ( ironic considering he started this thread) he won't be able to answer your questions, but most obvious reason is ignorance. Anyway, @nullius already explained this issue earlier in the thread and root of the word "plagiarism"

We turn some topics into mega threads ourselves.
Do you think that after five pages, someone will read the entire history of the branch? Therefore, they will write the same thing there.

If people know that their messages can be deleted, then it will be unprofitable for them to write platitudes.

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