There will always be a slight difference between "Own Writting" & "Plagiarised Writting" no matter what. Unintentional plagrism, I don't thing I have heard any plagrism case related with this.
What is plagrism actually!? Copying others thoughts ideas & designs. And if one copies that, line by line it is considered plagrism.
But if we use commonly used words or information like "Earth is the third planet of our solar system". Will it be plagrism? I don't think so. But if one copies an entire or part of a article about solar system, it is likely plagrism.
The thing with plagrism is, even if you take information from the internet, the order of words, the style of writting, the use of grammer always will be different. It's very rare when something marches perfectly.
I won't be talking about paraphase because there are many online tools, by which we can tell if AI is used or other means to detect paraphase writting.
Topic: Can one plagarise unintentionally? (Read 495 times)
Plagiarism reports is handled case by case, some members are given a second chance to change their ways while others immediately get nuked. For me, the worst type of plagiarism is where a person attempts to make an original content his won by paraphrasing and interchanging certain words to hide his tracks. That is plagiarism with intent and there is no defense for it.
Seeing this thread makes me wonder how possible one can write so close just like an AI composed sentence although I know that this thread is probably about plagiarism with someone comment but I would like to point the fact that same thought can be related to someone that can write so good that it's close to even the writing of an AI content, am just wondering how possible is this?
It's not as hard as you think. For AI detection, I've noticed that different websites sometimes detect very different results. I've personally seen and tested posts made on the forum and noticed that one detector would claim it's almost 100% human-written, while others would claim the exact opposite. There were also others that stood in the middle, detecting as much as 50% to 60% of AI-written content.I've even tried it on a few of my posts, and some claimed that a large portion of my text was by AI, which isn't true, while others found it was perfectly fine. I believe it was caused because I sometimes use QuillBot to detect any grammatical mistakes. Perhaps detectors think that a way too perfect text can't be written by a human and detect it as AI-written content. How can you be 100% certain if detectors show such a wide deviation?
Plagiarism, on the other hand, is a different story; perhaps paraphrasing an article's main subject and not citing the source can be claimed as plagiarism, but generally anything that isn't uniquely written by you may be as well.
Can one plagarise unintentionally?
When I read the title of this thread, I skilled. I really had alot of things to say or clarify about plagerism (intentional or unintentional). But then I remembered that in my early days in the forum, I dropped a topic that discussed the question the Op, raised.
Instead of making new efforts to discuss at length, I would drop the link incase anyone would like to visit the thread.
Unintentional plagiarism
Apparently it was discussed two years ago, and yes it seems to have the same interpretation of unintentional plagiarism, and I also think that it is impossible for someone to write the same as someone else's writing with the same wording, it is very unlikely in my personal view, except for mathematics, it is possible because it is based on a formula that is fixed with derivatives.
Even the same person explaining about an object at different times, for example 2 days or more apart in different places, they tend to use different wording or language when re-explaining about the same object.
Can one plagarise unintentionally?
When I read the title of this thread, I skilled. I really had alot of things to say or clarify about plagerism (intentional or unintentional). But then I remembered that in my early days in the forum, I dropped a topic that discussed the question the Op, raised.
Instead of making new efforts to discuss at length, I would drop the link incase anyone would like to visit the thread.
Unintentional plagiarism
But what happens if I plagiarize my own writing on another website? And I have the rights to the writing, both patent rights and publication rights
Nothing happens as long as you can prove that you were the original source of the content when it was first posted.The forum does not bother with patent rights, just prove that xyz account which posted the content on abc website belongs to you.
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I tried checking if there was something like "unintentional plagiarism" and Google provided me with an answer for it which is; "trying to accidentally omit the source of your ideas", but then again is that not actually plagiarism? Plagiarism is plagiarism no matter if it was intentional or not and that's an act strongly frowned upon in the forum and I feel that that for something to become a habit, it must have been done repeatedly over a period of time and have been overlooked.
A search on Google for this stuff it most of the time gives answers about articles, scientific papers, and research, nobody is going to make a whole article and analyze plagiarism in a forum with 4 lines posts as this is basically a bitcointalk specific problem since it's one of the few forums out there where you have to earn merit to rank up and you can achieve that only via good posts and you earn money with your rank, there is no such thing on other forums, nobody is thinking of actively plagiarizing on bimmerforums for example. What would be the point?
If we talk about research papers yeah, unintentional plagiarism where you forget to reference one work you copied a paragraph can happen, on my 250 pages dissertation I had no more than 100+ references it would have been easy for me to actually miss one and that would clearly have not been intentional.
That is completely different from what is being reported on the plagiarism topic.
If we can't find a match on Google, we're unlikely to find it anywhere else, so it may just as well be considered original. I'm quite certain several regular gambling board posters post translations of local sports articles, but I can't find the source when doing reverse translations so for all intents and purposes its not plagiarism... 🤷
Quite surprised about this, why would anyone need to do that when a post in which you mentioned who scored in what minute is considered a valid post and they get paid for it? Copy the odds, say you think that team will win, valid 3-liners, gere you go $2! Extra work and headaches for what benefit?
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Ever since I joined this forum and learned that plagiarism is a strict rule that cannot be broken, I've been exceptionally cautious. When creating threads or replies, I even utilize plagiarism checkers to ensure there are no unintentional similarities with existing content. However, I wonder if other members have considered this aspect as well. Perhaps there might be some instances where we may unknowingly fall into the category of plagiarism victims, which could lead to account bans.
Ever since I joined this forum and learned that plagiarism is a strict rule that cannot be broken, I've been exceptionally cautious. When creating threads or replies, I even utilize plagiarism checkers to ensure there are no unintentional similarities with existing content. However, I wonder if other members have considered this aspect as well. Perhaps there might be some instances where we may unknowingly fall into the category of plagiarism victims, which could lead to account bans.
The only way for someone to commit plagiarism that could be considered accidental is when they copy/paste an article and forget to place the source, and this is often done by beginners. I often report such posts as low value/zero effort posts rather than plagiarism, and if this continues, only then as plagiarism.
Everything else that can look like plagiarism actually falls more into the category of paraphrasing, but if you retell an article in your own words and give your opinion, it shouldn't be a problem. Just in case, it is always good to cite the source if we base our thoughts on someone else's work, not only because someone can accuse us of plagiarism, but also to give credit to the author.
I tried checking if there was something like "unintentional plagiarism" and Google provided me with an answer for it which is; "trying to accidentally omit the source of your ideas", but then again is that not actually plagiarism? Plagiarism is plagiarism no matter if it was intentional or not and that's an act strongly frowned upon in the forum and I feel that that for something to become a habit, it must have been done repeatedly over a period of time and have been overlooked.
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But what happens if I plagiarize my own writing on another website? And I have the rights to the writing, both patent rights and publication rights
Literally it's not plagiarism, but plagiarism detection tools can show such results and you might not avoid being reported. If you hope to be safe, include the source.But what happens if I plagiarize my own writing on another website? And I have the rights to the writing, both patent rights and publication rights
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am just wondering how possible is this?
That's because AI text generators also over time improve the ability of humanly readable results to appear as organic as possible. On the other hand, AI detectors are also unreliable. am just wondering how possible is this?
When there is a topic which I have somewhat idea of but not complete, I search for it on Internet, understand and come back to the topic to write. Despite being a knowledge taken from articles, words flow in my way.
Those who say they unintentionally plagiarised, didn't understand topic in first place. Example being, in mining section, I have no idea about things discussed there, I could search on Google and answer topics but my plagiarism will be obvious because I have no topic understanding in first place.
Those who say they unintentionally plagiarised, didn't understand topic in first place. Example being, in mining section, I have no idea about things discussed there, I could search on Google and answer topics but my plagiarism will be obvious because I have no topic understanding in first place.
Seeing this thread makes me wonder how possible one can write so close just like an AI composed sentence although I know that this thread is probably about plagiarism with someone comment but I would like to point the fact that same thought can be related to someone that can write so good that it's close to even the writing of an AI content, am just wondering how possible is this?
If we can't find a match on Google, we're unlikely to find it anywhere else, so it may just as well be considered original. I'm quite certain several regular gambling board posters post translations of local sports articles, but I can't find the source when doing reverse translations so for all intents and purposes its not plagiarism... 🤷
Maybe because the writing is not completely plagiarized, but they summarize the writing using their own language style so that even if a reverse translation is carried out, the writing is still considered unique. This method is often used by bloggers or copywriters, they summarize or combine writing on various websites
Google stopped giving reliable results when searching for exact phrases a while ago. I'm pretty sure they've indexed my post in this topic already, but that one doesn't show up either.
If we can't find a match on Google, we're unlikely to find it anywhere else, so it may just as well be considered original. I'm quite certain several regular gambling board posters post translations of local sports articles, but I can't find the source when doing reverse translations so for all intents and purposes its not plagiarism... 🤷
Sometimes while searching for matching text on Google I do run across a result for the Bitcointalk post it originates from. But not all the time, and yes in your example it has yet to appear as a search result.
I will not count whatever will be 'unintentional plagiarism' as plagiarism at all, it is just a shared though or a borrowed thought.
I may have read from a user that passport is a good hardware wallet and Electrum is a good software wallet, if another users asks, I can simply write out that thought to them in fairly similar sentences as the user I read it from used, but it will not fall into the ballpark of plagiarism, especially as the text will have other sentences which makes it unique. I consider it almost impossible to unintentionally plagiarize except by copying and pasting while forgetting to include the source of the content, but writing off the top of your head it is impossible to plagiarize.
When writing without reading a text, the human brain is bound to formulate the thought in a unique way, adding content you already have in it, for this reason, every user has their own writing style and it will show even if they are writing something similar with someone else.
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I may have read from a user that passport is a good hardware wallet and Electrum is a good software wallet, if another users asks, I can simply write out that thought to them in fairly similar sentences as the user I read it from used, but it will not fall into the ballpark of plagiarism, especially as the text will have other sentences which makes it unique. I consider it almost impossible to unintentionally plagiarize except by copying and pasting while forgetting to include the source of the content, but writing off the top of your head it is impossible to plagiarize.
When writing without reading a text, the human brain is bound to formulate the thought in a unique way, adding content you already have in it, for this reason, every user has their own writing style and it will show even if they are writing something similar with someone else.
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I am in this ballpark of blaming and banning. Some times it looks wrong but it isn’t.
Yes, everyone has their own writing style and the chances of them plagiarizing accidentally are very small. Especially writing that contains opinions or arguments
But what happens if I plagiarize my own writing on another website? And I have the rights to the writing, both patent rights and publication rights
I will not count whatever will be 'unintentional plagiarism' as plagiarism at all, it is just a shared though or a borrowed thought.
I may have read from a user that passport is a good hardware wallet and Electrum is a good software wallet, if another users asks, I can simply write out that thought to them in fairly similar sentences as the user I read it from used, but it will not fall into the ballpark of plagiarism, especially as the text will have other sentences which makes it unique. I consider it almost impossible to unintentionally plagiarize except by copying and pasting while forgetting to include the source of the content, but writing off the top of your head it is impossible to plagiarize.
When writing without reading a text, the human brain is bound to formulate the thought in a unique way, adding content you already have in it, for this reason, every user has their own writing style and it will show even if they are writing something similar with someone else.
- Jay -
I may have read from a user that passport is a good hardware wallet and Electrum is a good software wallet, if another users asks, I can simply write out that thought to them in fairly similar sentences as the user I read it from used, but it will not fall into the ballpark of plagiarism, especially as the text will have other sentences which makes it unique. I consider it almost impossible to unintentionally plagiarize except by copying and pasting while forgetting to include the source of the content, but writing off the top of your head it is impossible to plagiarize.
When writing without reading a text, the human brain is bound to formulate the thought in a unique way, adding content you already have in it, for this reason, every user has their own writing style and it will show even if they are writing something similar with someone else.
- Jay -
I am in this ballpark of blaming and banning. Some times it looks wrong but it isn’t.
Unintentional and plagiarism is like oil and water, they don't mix. If you mean by unintentional plagiarism, that they posted something that has the same thought as the other previous posts but worded in a way that it's not really a plagiarism but just a result of not reading the thread to see if their thought has already been conceived. But if you mean that they have the same post and thought as other previous post, I don't think that's in any way intentional because no way someone from a different place in a different country on the Internet can have the exact same thoughts and vocabulary, in essence I don't believe that there's such a thing as unintentional plagiarism.
How can you unintentionally post entirely same what others have published already in their own words? The some lines can match or real facts that you can't put in your words but making full posts like that is not possible until you are plagiarizing according to me.We use different words to explain same thing and do you really believe you will write exactly same what other have written before even knowing about it?
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Just as Nutildah has said, I agree with him. I don't think it's 99.9% possible for someone to accurately write about three sentences of another person's idea that are not theirs. Before that can be possible, either the person is already familiar with the lines of text they have read from another person's idea or they are just trying to spin the words to look like they were the original owners of that idea, and that can still be seen as plagiarism. Sometimes, when I write something and I feel that it could be something that another user might have said already, I just delete the comment and move on to the next topic. Although humans make mistakes at times and there's no one above making a mistake, it could also be possible that some people unintentionally plagiarize when they are not thinking straight.
Unintentional plagiarism in google is not giving proper credit to original owner either its an image, research, sentence, etc. even there's no intention of doing it, which is really bannable here in this forum (to forget to include the source).
I will agree what nutildah said about the long of the copied text, only if it was copied from other users also on those "known phrase" like "prevention is better than cure" not on what you can see on google and other blog articles in the internet.
I will agree what nutildah said about the long of the copied text, only if it was copied from other users also on those "known phrase" like "prevention is better than cure" not on what you can see on google and other blog articles in the internet.
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