Can Online live Roullette wheel be Rigged ?

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Quote from: sherbyspark on May 28, 2015, 01:19:23 PM

Quote from: barrymatas on May 28, 2015, 01:17:29 PM

I did look at mbit but it seems it is linked to cloudbet. They have same dealers and everything . Even interface was almost same.

Yes, thats because the live room they host are the same . There are also many other sites which essentially has the same room, but the sites are different. They just rent the live feature from these companies.
EDIT: If you want another site with a different live table or room then check out Jetwin. They have a different live betting room .

Alright thanks will see if it is good.

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Quote from: barrymatas on May 28, 2015, 01:17:29 PM

I did look at mbit but it seems it is linked to cloudbet. They have same dealers and everything . Even interface was almost same.

Yes, thats because the live room they host are the same . There are also many other sites which essentially has the same room, but the sites are different. They just rent the live feature from these companies.
EDIT: If you want another site with a different live table or room then check out Jetwin. They have a different live betting room .

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I did look at mbit but it seems it is linked to cloudbet. They have same dealers and everything . Even interface was almost same.

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Quote from: barrymatas on May 28, 2015, 01:13:54 PM

Forgot to ask are there any other sites you people will recommend for live Roulette ? I couldn't find many.

For live betting would suggest check out Cloudbet or Mbit. There are also couple others you could just google for.

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Forgot to ask are there any other sites you people will recommend for live Roulette ? I couldn't find many.

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Thanks for all the replies guys .

All of you were very helpful

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Quote from: grendel25 on May 16, 2015, 05:47:26 PM

I'm not so sure I agree with that. I do agree that if the players had an HD view of the table then magnetic movements may be visible. But depending on how elaborate the magnet system is it could be made to be really hard to detect. And since most displays of the live feed aren't really very HD the magnets wouldn't even have to be all that elaborate. If there were a trusted 3rd party inspection service that would make the tables more trustworthy. I don't trust roulette any ways. There are other games to play with better odds to win.

The thing with magnetic movements is that they usually will have to employ some strong force on the ball, for the reason that if they wish to stop a ball at a place other than near a group of numbers, then they will have to slow down the ball, and applying a large magnetic field on it. Doing so will clearly bend the ball inwards, as it usually spins away from the wheel initially, and that unexpected movement will become fairly well visible to the eye .
Also , this actually would mean sensing what is the approximate position for the ball to stop at, and all that is pretty hard to implement. However, I am not sure of it myself, but just don't expect casinos to be using a magnetic system.

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Quote from: CryForMeSky on May 16, 2015, 05:40:02 PM

Quote from: huadylmate on May 16, 2015, 03:25:57 AM

The point is I know from casino and life experience that when a dealer is taught how to spin they are taught to get it in a area when needed. Lets say you and 5 other high rollers are at the table and most of the bets are on tier, then the spinner is going to be spinning in the 0 area where there are not as much bets (which is easy for them).

It also works the other way. If you find a bored croupier and tip him well enough you can see some impressive stuff.

Yes of course only had that a few times unfortunately and I always tip well lol It is just the casino I play at the floor manager watches the guys like a hawk no shit he is really on the ball and if one spins to many 'fortunate' for the gambler then he is changed for another. The part about the 5 whales as an example, if I am at the table and see this and clock on to the betting and what the croup is doing I will bet against the whales and it does work a lot of the time.

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Quote from: barrymatas on May 16, 2015, 02:46:05 AM

I was playing at Cloudbet tonight and had question that since we can't see wheel. Is it possible it is balanced or stable to make the ball land in one place or area ?

Physical roulette wheel can be rigged but if it is a licensed live game provider than the risk of it being rigged is close to zero. There is monthly inspection for all the game to ensure fairness for the players but the operator of the roulette could be train to land the ball in some areas.

Not to mention that if you are seeing that the wheel if only in favor of the several areas than the wheel is biased (which is not rigged ) but it happened due to being used several times. Here is a way to check if the wheel is biased or not http://www.roulette30.com/2010/04/concept-of-biased-wheel.html

P.S : it will need like 1000 attempts though

Quote from: WhatTheGox on May 16, 2015, 06:15:28 AM

They dont need to rig roullette to take your money, the odds are already against you. One thing about dice is at least the house edge is much less.

The odds are always against us but it doesnt mean that the players "will always" to the game

Quote from: bitbaby on May 16, 2015, 10:56:40 PM

I think they can be rigged but unless you have a way of manually checking the roulette wheel you can't say which site is cheating and which are not.

Even if you do have a chance to manually check the roulette it will be impossible for you or me ( the ordinary people ) to know if the wheel is rigged

Quote from: bitbaby on May 16, 2015, 10:56:40 PM

When you're playing at Online Casinos there's always a chance that the house might cheat which is why bitcoin gambling is based on a provably fair system but if a site is not offering any ways of checking the rolls then just stay away from it.

The same thing applied to site with provably fair system but it will be harder for them to cheat with the provably fair system. In licensed casinos there will be always a monthly inspection for the game to ensure it is fair for the players but ofcourse the house could just bribe the inspector for that

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Quote from: WhatTheGox on May 16, 2015, 06:15:28 AM

Quote from: barrymatas on May 16, 2015, 02:46:05 AM

I was playing at Cloudbet tonight and had question that since we can't see wheel. Is it possible it is balanced or stable to make the ball land in one place or area ?

They dont need to rig roullette to take your money, the odds are already against you. One thing about dice is at least the house edge is much less.

I hate this argument because it is flawed. Anywhere there is money to be made, people try to gain an edge. Even if the edge is illegal. Look at sports, insider trading, ponzi schemes, and the list goes on and on. Many times they don't need it to gain an edge because they already have an edge. But they want an even bigger edge.

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I think they can be rigged but unless you have a way of manually checking the roulette wheel you can't say which site is cheating and which are not. These are some of the ways they can be rigged: http://www.winning-roulette.net/cheat.php

But this article might be old and they may very have better ways of doing it. When you're playing at Online Casinos there's always a chance that the house might cheat which is why bitcoin gambling is based on a provably fair system but if a site is not offering any ways of checking the rolls then just stay away from it.

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Quote from: nikona on May 16, 2015, 04:34:55 AM

Quote from: huadylmate on May 16, 2015, 03:25:57 AM

The point is I know from casino and life experience that when a dealer is taught how to spin they are taught to get it in a area when needed. Lets say you and 5 other high rollers are at the table and most of the bets are on tier, then the spinner is going to be spinning in the 0 area where there are not as much bets (which is easy for them). I Said nothing about an unbalanced wheel because that does not matter in the slightest to them, wheels are changed between tables anyway so you never know which is which that is nothing to do with what I am talking about. I am talking about precise spinners which I know to be fact please don't try tell me different.

That might be a possibility , but the thing is that the numbers on the wheel are distributed randomly , so if someone bets on red or black, or say over/under , then relying on the fact that where to spin from won't work.

Quote from: 98problems on May 16, 2015, 04:27:28 AM

why cant it be rigged? even if you saw the whole wheel you couldnt tell if its fair or not as under it can be magnets and so on so i guess when playing live roulette its even easier to be scammed than playing a provably fair one

Thats not true, Magnets will never be used, as the ball will experience a force due to the magnet, and since all eyes are on the ball, even the slightest deviation from its expected movement will be visible, and will be caught .

I'm not so sure I agree with that. I do agree that if the players had an HD view of the table then magnetic movements may be visible. But depending on how elaborate the magnet system is it could be made to be really hard to detect. And since most displays of the live feed aren't really very HD the magnets wouldn't even have to be all that elaborate. If there were a trusted 3rd party inspection service that would make the tables more trustworthy. I don't trust roulette any ways. There are other games to play with better odds to win.

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So I played on betcoin.ag because I love poker there. Decided to try out the casino games.
Was a bit wasted and trying the Martingale method.
I won with small amounts over and over. I won like a grand.

Then I raised the amount I was betting.
Bet on red over and over. It came up black something like 15 times in a row.

If you have the money to loose try putting 1BTC on the wheel. 1BTC or more always looses when on the ~50 50 pieces.
I wanted to make my money back and I cannot stress this enough was stupidly wasted. I started with 1btc. Then 2btc. Then 4btc. Then 8btc. Then 16btc.

I lost about 5 grand total. 6 grand if you include the 1 grand I had won then lost.
I wish there was a way to prove it was a scam.
Undecided

Maybe I am just that unlucky

No one will ever know

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'Slow and steady wins the race'

Quote from: yakuza699 on May 16, 2015, 05:34:55 PM

Quote from: sherbyspark on May 16, 2015, 04:15:39 PM

Since there are devices which use a camera to visually estimate where a ball will land based on the speed and all, I think this would definitely be possible, but again extremely hard. However, it is hard for them to rig the odds/even bets. Only the number bets are what are unsafe to place as that can be manipulated to an extent.

And how would that possibly work since you can't bet after a ball has been spun?

Have you actually ever played live roulette because that question tells me you have not! I am still piling on the chips in the casino after the ball has spun usually get at least once or twice around the table before the croupier calls last bets. So that is how, I can tell if a croup is trying to place it with my eye by the speed and how many times it goes around before dropping. Anything less than 7 times round is suspicious.

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Quote from: huadylmate on May 16, 2015, 03:25:57 AM

The point is I know from casino and life experience that when a dealer is taught how to spin they are taught to get it in a area when needed. Lets say you and 5 other high rollers are at the table and most of the bets are on tier, then the spinner is going to be spinning in the 0 area where there are not as much bets (which is easy for them).

It also works the other way. If you find a bored croupier and tip him well enough you can see some impressive stuff.

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Quote from: sherbyspark on May 16, 2015, 04:15:39 PM

Since there are devices which use a camera to visually estimate where a ball will land based on the speed and all, I think this would definitely be possible, but again extremely hard. However, it is hard for them to rig the odds/even bets. Only the number bets are what are unsafe to place as that can be manipulated to an extent.

And how would that possibly work since you can't bet after a ball has been spun?

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Yeah its very possible over 95% of online casino sub-contract there live games to a number of companies and its very difficult to tell which ones are honest so i guess you have to go on your gut instincts.

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Quote from: barrymatas on May 16, 2015, 02:46:05 AM

I was playing at Cloudbet tonight and had question that since we can't see wheel. Is it possible it is balanced or stable to make the ball land in one place or area ?

These operators of roulette are so good in doing their jobs to let the little part of money to winners in physical roulette in front of everyone's eyes without letting them know.Online is much more easy even we see wheel rotating they can do anything with different frequencies.So I would say this possible easily especially when there is no provably fair tested game.

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Quote from: alani123 on May 16, 2015, 11:26:53 AM

Friend of mine used to be a casino worker. Roulette is not 'rigged' but the operator is trained to land the ball wherever he wants. Good operators will be able to land the ball with a 2-3 spot miss from their target spot. Based on that, it's pretty easy for specific number bets to be dodged. This is why you'd want to sit on a table that is populated.

Since there are devices which use a camera to visually estimate where a ball will land based on the speed and all, I think this would definitely be possible, but again extremely hard. However, it is hard for them to rig the odds/even bets. Only the number bets are what are unsafe to place as that can be manipulated to an extent.

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Quote from: alani123 on May 16, 2015, 11:26:53 AM

Friend of mine used to be a casino worker. Roulette is not 'rigged' but the operator is trained to land the ball wherever he wants. Good operators will be able to land the ball with a 2-3 spot miss from their target spot. Based on that, it's pretty easy for specific number bets to be dodged. This is why you'd want to sit on a table that is populated.

there is golden rule for gambling we always play with that amount that we can afford to lose while we are blaming others for our lose, that is common thing in roulette some dealers knows where to land the ball for expected outcome result and that kind of things happened almost most the online casinos.

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