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Topic: Can someone clear up some questions on taxes? - page 2. (Read 1633 times)

sr. member
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So if crypto is based on capital gains tax then how does it work with alt coins. You need to change them over to lets say bitcoin to then exchange it for USD. That exchange would be taxable correct? Its not fair because wouldn't they then consider you not having the investment for a year when exchanging from BTC to USD? How have others done this? Also what if I am exchanging coin assets for another coin assets within that same structure such as Ethereum based platform assets?
Every country has different rule about tax, so maybe you should ask that question in your local board?
By the way, you are not paying tax when you exchange bitcoin to altcoin and back to bitcoin and to USD, you are paying tax when you withdraw money to your bank account  Wink
Is that true about not paying any tax until I withdraw actual USD. I am fine with paying tax and all, but I do not want to have to worry about every little exchange when I have no physical money in my account. Everything I have is still in crypto assets. Going to be a long time before I take out any actual money from them.
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What if you lost money trading up until this year and never filed? Would there be an issue? I would assume if you were audited it would show your loss and there would be no tax penalty?  A lot of accountants CPA's don't understand crypto and don't want anything to do with it. There needs to be more crypto CPA's out there for sure.

If you've lost money trading so far you would probably be eligible to claim that as a capital loss, which you would be able to apply as a credit to next year's taxes. If you're lucky and you've lost 900 million dollars of someone else's money that you're legally qualified to claim as your own through shifty accounting practices and exploitation of badly codified laws, you could even avoid your taxes for decades. Tongue
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What if you lost money trading up until this year and never filed? Would there be an issue? I would assume if you were audited it would show your loss and there would be no tax penalty?  A lot of accountants CPA's don't understand crypto and don't want anything to do with it. There needs to be more crypto CPA's out there for sure.
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before regulation is never pay tax
in exchanger fee withdraw and fee trading only revenue and profit exchanger, but if pay tax, only company, not person pay tax
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Not a tax attorney but I have satisfied myself about the law on this point and this is what I do.

Cryptocurrency transactions are taxable when they are executed. If you have had the asset for > 1 year it is a long term gain/loss, otherwise a short term gain/loss.

If you trade one crypto for another you have to consider that you have sold one for cash, then bought the other for cash and calculate your taxable gain/loss on this basis. There is a lot of misinformation floating around to the effect that as long as you don't leave "crypto world" your gains are not taxable but this is (almost certainly) incorrect. It hinges on whether trading one crypto for another is a "like kind" transaction (which, by the way, you have to declare) and most tax attorneys seem to agree that it is not, any more than selling one stock and buying another which is fully taxable.

The IRS has not formally ruled on this but I'm pretty sure this is the way it will go.  If you have claimed "like kind" status on your crypto transactions you will have to pay back taxes and interest and possibly penalties. If you haven't declared them at all I wouldn't want to be you.
I havent declared anything yet. Just started these this year. Also how do you even go about declaring this? My initial trades were going from BTC to an altcoin. It was gain BTC then right away buy the altcoin. There was not gains in between to even report. How are we even able to report every small transfer since the crypto world is only done due to these exchanges. How can they treat this as normal taxes when its not normal in any way?

Generally when dealing with private equity trading, the IRS depends on 1099s from the exchange. Presumably the trading platform you're using tracks all your transactions and reports it to the IRS. If they don't, they are probably in violation for that; and you would also be in violation for not reporting it yourself through a Schedule D form, though it seems at least remotely possible that your penalties might be waived due to the cloudy situation. Interest and late fees would probably still apply. If you're using Coinbase or most other legitimate BTC exchanges, they are regulated by the federal government and it seems most likely they're reporting transactions and issuing 1099s at the end of the year. If you haven't received one for your Bitcoin trading by mid-March you may want to contact them to see what's going on. 1099s and tax documents for investment income are not actually required to be sent out to consumers until the beginning of March, as far as I know.

Keep in mind I'm another newbie though, just one with investment experience in equities; I haven't even set up a wallet yet, in fact, much less started trading on the exchanges. I may be mistaken about their regulatory status. Another thing to research before I start, it seems. Smiley

n.b. All this is assuming you're in the US. I am not a tax preparer nor qualified to dispense tax advice in any way other than recounting my private experiences.
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So if crypto is based on capital gains tax then how does it work with alt coins. You need to change them over to lets say bitcoin to then exchange it for USD. That exchange would be taxable correct? Its not fair because wouldn't they then consider you not having the investment for a year when exchanging from BTC to USD? How have others done this? Also what if I am exchanging coin assets for another coin assets within that same structure such as Ethereum based platform assets?
Every country has different rule about tax, so maybe you should ask that question in your local board?
By the way, you are not paying tax when you exchange bitcoin to altcoin and back to bitcoin and to USD, you are paying tax when you withdraw money to your bank account  Wink
imo important to understand your local laws, otherwise you could easily get bad advice and get screwed by the authorities.
sr. member
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So if crypto is based on capital gains tax then how does it work with alt coins. You need to change them over to lets say bitcoin to then exchange it for USD. That exchange would be taxable correct? Its not fair because wouldn't they then consider you not having the investment for a year when exchanging from BTC to USD? How have others done this? Also what if I am exchanging coin assets for another coin assets within that same structure such as Ethereum based platform assets?
Every country has different rule about tax, so maybe you should ask that question in your local board?
By the way, you are not paying tax when you exchange bitcoin to altcoin and back to bitcoin and to USD, you are paying tax when you withdraw money to your bank account  Wink
sr. member
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Not a tax attorney but I have satisfied myself about the law on this point and this is what I do.

Cryptocurrency transactions are taxable when they are executed. If you have had the asset for > 1 year it is a long term gain/loss, otherwise a short term gain/loss.

If you trade one crypto for another you have to consider that you have sold one for cash, then bought the other for cash and calculate your taxable gain/loss on this basis. There is a lot of misinformation floating around to the effect that as long as you don't leave "crypto world" your gains are not taxable but this is (almost certainly) incorrect. It hinges on whether trading one crypto for another is a "like kind" transaction (which, by the way, you have to declare) and most tax attorneys seem to agree that it is not, any more than selling one stock and buying another which is fully taxable.

The IRS has not formally ruled on this but I'm pretty sure this is the way it will go.  If you have claimed "like kind" status on your crypto transactions you will have to pay back taxes and interest and possibly penalties. If you haven't declared them at all I wouldn't want to be you.
I havent declared anything yet. Just started these this year. Also how do you even go about declaring this? My initial trades were going from BTC to an altcoin. It was gain BTC then right away buy the altcoin. There was not gains in between to even report. How are we even able to report every small transfer since the crypto world is only done due to these exchanges. How can they treat this as normal taxes when its not normal in any way?
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Not a tax attorney but I have satisfied myself about the law on this point and this is what I do.

Cryptocurrency transactions are taxable when they are executed. If you have had the asset for > 1 year it is a long term gain/loss, otherwise a short term gain/loss.

If you trade one crypto for another you have to consider that you have sold one for cash, then bought the other for cash and calculate your taxable gain/loss on this basis. There is a lot of misinformation floating around to the effect that as long as you don't leave "crypto world" your gains are not taxable but this is (almost certainly) incorrect. It hinges on whether trading one crypto for another is a "like kind" transaction (which, by the way, you have to declare) and most tax attorneys seem to agree that it is not, any more than selling one stock and buying another which is fully taxable.

The IRS has not formally ruled on this but I'm pretty sure this is the way it will go.  If you have claimed "like kind" status on your crypto transactions you will have to pay back taxes and interest and possibly penalties. If you haven't declared them at all I wouldn't want to be you.
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
So if crypto is based on capital gains tax then how does it work with alt coins. You need to change them over to lets say bitcoin to then exchange it for USD. That exchange would be taxable correct? Its not fair because wouldn't they then consider you not having the investment for a year when exchanging from BTC to USD? How have others done this? Also what if I am exchanging coin assets for another coin assets within that same structure such as Ethereum based platform assets?
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