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As far as I remember, we were talking about forces possibly driving Bitcoin inflation up, not down... Grin

Productivity of altcoin programmers?

We're heading right into particulars! Grin
Personally, I don't think that even increased Bitcoins supply could presently affect its price significantly or in any predictable way. So your question remains a moot point... Cool

So far...stay tuned Wink
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As far as I remember, we were talking about forces possibly driving Bitcoin inflation up, not down... Grin

Productivity of altcoin programmers?

We're heading right into particulars! Grin
Personally, I don't think that even increased Bitcoins supply could presently affect its price significantly or in any predictable way. So your question remains a moot point... Cool
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Right, if productivity falls things usually become more expensive because less is done with the same cost (and vice versa). Though this is not strictly a monetary phenomenon and more difficult to grasp... Grin 

It can increase too.

As far as I remember, we were talking about forces possibly driving Bitcoin inflation up, not down... Grin

Productivity of altcoin programmers?
legendary
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Right, if productivity falls things usually become more expensive because less is done with the same cost (and vice versa). Though this is not strictly a monetary phenomenon and more difficult to grasp... Grin 

It can increase too.

As far as I remember, we were talking about forces possibly driving Bitcoin inflation up, not down... Grin
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This is also not true for obvious reasons. Inflation is determined not only by the amount of money in circulation but also by the velocity of circulation, i.e. the frequency at which one unit of currency changes hands within a given time period. Increasing the velocity of money would in effect be equal to additional emission of currency into circulation, which can bring about inflation even if the amount of money remains constant. As simple as that... Cool

And don't forget productivity too.

Right, if productivity falls things usually become more expensive because less is done with the same cost (and vice versa). Though this is not strictly a monetary phenomenon and more difficult to grasp... Grin 

It can increase too.
legendary
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This is also not true for obvious reasons. Inflation is determined not only by the amount of money in circulation but also by the velocity of circulation, i.e. the frequency at which one unit of currency changes hands within a given time period. Increasing the velocity of money would in effect be equal to additional emission of currency into circulation, which can bring about inflation even if the amount of money remains constant. As simple as that... Cool

And don't forget productivity too.

Right, if productivity falls things usually become more expensive because less is done with the same cost (and vice versa). Though this is not strictly a monetary phenomenon and more difficult to grasp... Grin 
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is limited in quantity because, in a decentralized currency, no one can set an inflation rate.  So once all 21 million Bitcoins are mined, there is no inflation

This is also not true for obvious reasons. Inflation is determined not only by the amount of money in circulation but also by the velocity of circulation, i.e. the frequency at which one unit of currency changes hands within a given time period. Increasing the velocity of money would in effect be equal to additional emission of currency into circulation, which can bring about inflation even if the amount of money remains constant. As simple as that... Cool

And don't forget productivity too.
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Well true on currency's local purpose, although that is starting to change a bit with internet.

In this aspect Bitcoin is not very much different from what you get with Visa or MasterCard... Grin

And a lot less hassle too.

BTC currently mainly has a use to do illegal or banned things or just to spend it for the thrill of it. Money transfers are less expensive, but not if you factor the FX losses and price volatility.

Oh one thing is BTC can't be charged back, so that enables some new applications.
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Well true on currency's local purpose, although that is starting to change a bit with internet.

In this aspect Bitcoin is not very much different from what you get with Visa or MasterCard... Grin
legendary
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is limited in quantity because, in a decentralized currency, no one can set an inflation rate.  So once all 21 million Bitcoins are mined, there is no inflation

This is also not true for obvious reasons. Inflation is determined not only by the amount of money in circulation but also by the velocity of circulation, i.e. the frequency at which one unit of currency changes hands within a given time period. Increasing the velocity of money would in effect be equal to additional emission of currency into circulation, which can bring about inflation even if the amount of money remains constant. As simple as that... Cool
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There is nothing revolutionary about Bitcoin for not being centrally controlled. In the medieval times you would bring a gold (or silver) bullion to the mint and for a small fee had official coins hammered from it. You could take coins and melt them into a gold ingot as well Cool

But you couldn't teleport across the world in 10 minutes.

If this remark of yours refers to Bitcoin, there is nothing new or revolutionary in this either... Grin
In any case this is not currency's fault or virtue Cool

Well true on currency's local purpose, although that is starting to change a bit with internet.
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There is nothing revolutionary about Bitcoin for not being centrally controlled. In the medieval times you would bring a gold (or silver) bullion to the mint and for a small fee had official coins hammered from it. You could take coins and melt them into a gold ingot as well Cool

But you couldn't teleport across the world in 10 minutes.

If this remark of yours refers to Bitcoin, there is nothing new or revolutionary in this either... Grin
In any case this is not currency's fault or virtue Cool
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I consider it a badge of great honor. It means I am saying what you don't want the others to know.

My ignores appear to be about 0.001% of the users on this forum. That is hardly a lot. Can't you muster more than that?

Do you really think anymore users on this forum are reading your posts? I'm not ignoring you (not anyone) but I personally skip your posts for the most part because you can't express your thoughts in a lucid and concise manner Roll Eyes
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Bitcoin doesn't have anything to do with dollars.

Okay, honestly, I had to read your post a few times, because your questions do seem rather dumb.  But here's the answer.  Bitcoin is revolutionary for basically one reason.  It isn't centrally controlled.  All of the other revolutionary design characteristics of Bitcoin flow from this.  For instance, it is limited in quantity because, in a decentralized currency, no one can set an inflation rate

There is nothing revolutionary about Bitcoin for not being centrally controlled. In the medieval times you would bring a gold (or silver) bullion to the mint and for a small fee had official coins hammered from it. You could take coins and melt them into a gold ingot as well Cool

But you couldn't teleport across the world in 10 minutes.
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Bitcoin doesn't have anything to do with dollars.

Okay, honestly, I had to read your post a few times, because your questions do seem rather dumb.  But here's the answer.  Bitcoin is revolutionary for basically one reason.  It isn't centrally controlled.  All of the other revolutionary design characteristics of Bitcoin flow from this.  For instance, it is limited in quantity because, in a decentralized currency, no one can set an inflation rate

There is nothing revolutionary about Bitcoin for not being centrally controlled. In the medieval times you would bring a gold (or silver) bullion to the mint and for a small fee had official coins hammered from it. You could take coins and melt them into a gold ingot as well Cool
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Bitcoin doesn't have anything to do with dollars.

Okay, honestly, I had to read your post a few times, because your questions do seem rather dumb.  But here's the answer.  Bitcoin is revolutionary for basically one reason.  It isn't centrally controlled.  All of the other revolutionary design characteristics of Bitcoin flow from this.  For instance, it is limited in quantity because, in a decentralized currency, no one can set an inflation rate.  So once all 21 million Bitcoins are mined, there is no inflation.  As you pointed out, the value fluctuates as determined by the free market.  This is also revolutionary in a way that fiat currencies are not.  Limited, free market currencies efficiently transmit pricing information so that all sectors of the economy can work together optimally.  Because Bitcoin is decentralized, there are no banking monopolies.  Fees are determined by the market, so they approach cost.  Bitcoins are completely digital.  Unlike previous limited, free market currencies such as gold and silver, Bitcoin is extremely liquid.  It can be near-infinitely divided to use in everyday trade.  Because of it's decentralized design, there is no need to trust centralized entities such as governments or companies such as Paypal that can, and frequently do, arbitrarily disrupt trade.

Yeah thanks, for calling me dumb and partly answering my question and mostly reiterating what I said

Inflationary vs Deflationary

One is set up to lose value over time (the US$ has lost 99% of its value in the last 100 years) and the other is set up to rise in value over time as supply is managed to a fixed endpoint

Bitcoin is going to destroy all the value just the same. It is proven pyramid scheme.

Please gtfo... I'm pressing the ignore button on you

In almost every way Bitcoin is exactly the opposite of Government issued fiat currency:

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Peer-to-peer            Centrally controlled
Open source             Closed doors
World wide              Each country
Outside government      Government
Outside banking         Banking
Free market             Manipulated every day
Limited supply          Infinite supply
Irreversible            Reversible
Reward savers           Punish savers
Necessity economy       Consumer economy
Yours to posses/own     Bank posseses/owns


This is perfect, thanks!
hero member
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Inflationary vs Deflationary

One is set up to lose value over time (the US$ has lost 99% of its value in the last 100 years) and the other is set up to rise in value over time as supply is managed to a fixed endpoint

Bitcoin is going to destroy all the value just the same. It is proven pyramid scheme.
There is a reason your ignore button is glowing.  On the ignore list you go.

I consider it a badge of great honor. It means I am saying what you don't want the others to know.

My ignores appear to be about 0.001% of the users on this forum. That is hardly a lot. Can't you muster more than that?
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Inflationary vs Deflationary

One is set up to lose value over time (the US$ has lost 99% of its value in the last 100 years) and the other is set up to rise in value over time as supply is managed to a fixed endpoint

Bitcoin is going to destroy all the value just the same. It is proven pyramid scheme.
There is a reason your ignore button is glowing.  On the ignore list you go.
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