Can the World Feed Itself? Historic Fertilizer Crunch Threatens Food Security

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Quote from: 19Nov16 on May 05, 2022, 03:43:33 AM

Food problems are now a very important issue, increasing food needs and agricultural land that changes a lot of settlements and industry makes the price of food ingredients such as rice, wheat, sago and so on continue to increase significantly. Of course the solution to overcome the scarcity of food is to make plants that are productive and short -lived.

yeah that's right. and in several countries research on this has been done. as an example of the results of the success of this research is a new type of rice with a very short age can be harvested.

in 1980 the age of rice until it was ready for harvest was about 4-5 months. and now the old type of rice is almost non-existent and is being replaced with a new type that can be harvested in a relatively short time, which is only 2.5 months and it is ready to harvest.
so that food needs can be fulfilled even though the land is narrow because the harvest time is short.

it is important to clear agricultural land and it is also very important to make research by a number of engineers in shortening the harvest age of staple foods such as rice and wheat.

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Food problems are now a very important issue, increasing food needs and agricultural land that changes a lot of settlements and industry makes the price of food ingredients such as rice, wheat, sago and so on continue to increase significantly. Of course the solution to overcome the scarcity of food is to make plants that are productive and short -lived.

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Quote from: Husires on May 04, 2022, 01:17:00 PM

the agriculture itself not only consumes an area, but also oxygen and a specific atmosphere

I suppose what you meant to say here is carbondioxide (CO₂) as plants are natural purifiers for the environment as they remove CO₂ which is considered a waste product from respiration in humans and its absorbed by plants during photosynthesis. Other than this, I dont know what am saying perhaps, I need a little study.
And yeah, vertical farms do go but, a lot of resources could be needed to make it work, space, good quantity of humid soil, it can't go for deep rooted crops, proper lighting and things like that. So, its limited to certain crops.

Anyway, the solution is simple and that is, just as it is advocated that we ought to plant new tress each time we cut one, we too need to be own our own gardens. To farm a little bit but the issue is, not many can be land owners especially, being a foreign national. I suppose, should there be a drop in crops yield, it won't be far from what we experienced in the Covid-19 pandemic.

Plants reproduction follows an arithmetic sequence while humans follows a geometrical sequence and we consume a lot of food. We need to watch it on our reproduction rate!

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Quote from: Husires on May 04, 2022, 01:17:00 PM

The absence of an enhanced explanation with the pictures will make everything that is written without a person who does not have the experience of agriculture in the past, but it is difficult to do so in the courtyard of the house because the agriculture itself not only consumes an area, but also oxygen and a specific atmosphere and it will be impossible if you live in an apartment in a building consisting of Several floors.

The best what you can get is Vertical farms

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Thanks, you made me laugh! In the 21st century, building wooden structures for vegetables is very funny. And if your water is turned off, what will you do? Drink from the river? What happened in the world? Have people turned off the brain? I propose to move to live in the forest! Grin

People, are you really doing this?

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The absence of an enhanced explanation with the pictures will make everything that is written without a person who does not have the experience of agriculture in the past, but it is difficult to do so in the courtyard of the house because the agriculture itself not only consumes an area, but also oxygen and a specific atmosphere and it will be impossible if you live in an apartment in a building consisting of Several floors.

The best what you can get is Vertical farms

Source: https://delawarebusinesstimes.com/news/vertical-farms-envisioned-as-path-out-of-recidivism/

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in my country, here farmers are starting to use organic fertilizers which are cheaper to get ... the price of chemical fertilizers is getting higher, making farmers switch to using organic fertilizers which are cheaper and easier to get .. they can even produce it from home

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Yes to an extent, as there is nothing too big nor impossible.
Isn't it high time we start growing our own food ? Close to our homes, by the side of our homes or getting a portion of land if possible.
With the population of nations growing very high most government care less about all of that, so I think it's high time we take actions for ourselves as we can't buy everything from the general market's.

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Quote from: palle11 on May 03, 2022, 06:31:54 AM

Quote from: Hydrogen on May 02, 2022, 02:47:29 PM

Populations in the united states and india have doubled from the 1950s to the present. While the amount of arable land in the world has decreased annually. Population growth coupled with declining global farmland could imply we were destined for a correction of some type eventually. Hopefully we can have a clean and smooth transition, rather than an uncomfortable one. If such becomes necessary.

Like you have pointed to this. The major challenge of agriculture is population growth and the various government seem not to worry about this. I will not go to the suggestion of birth control because of food but that government need more action on that aspect to secure food for its people. Also the fact land availability for agriculture is not not increasing but getting destroyed because of war, erosion, excavation etc is the worrisome aspect.

in my country land continues to decrease because it is made into factories. even the mountains are leveled using heavy equipment.

and after the mountain is leveled, that is, it is drilled into the depths of the soil and cement is taken for building materials. even the sound of the explosion of the bidamite was often heard from the ground.

I am very concerned about this condition. people in my country have even stopped farming and prefer to work in newly established factories.

this happens because many farmers are not benefited in my country. where fertilizer prices continue to rise but crop yields do not increase. and the farmers also stopped raising livestock because the price of feed was very expensive while the price of meat did not increase significantly. making farmers lose money.

while the state continues to import food ingredients from abroad and this further exacerbates the price of agricultural produce from local farmers which is becoming increasingly cheaper. because the market has been flooded with agricultural products from abroad.

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Quote from: Gyfts on May 03, 2022, 05:28:10 PM

With the supply chain issues underlying the war related cost increases, it just means that the developed war will pay more of their income for food, while under developed nations will experience food shortages. Usually the developed world will come out on top because they have the resources to invest into alternatives. Poor people in developed nations don't have access to that luxury.

Supply chain issues truly have a big role when food is being imported. Here the countries with good wealth usually find way for it whereas poor countries suffering for food is taking place around. In most cases countries need to first allocate funds for food on their budgets than allocating for military arms purchasing.

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With the supply chain issues underlying the war related cost increases, it just means that the developed war will pay more of their income for food, while under developed nations will experience food shortages. Usually the developed world will come out on top because they have the resources to invest into alternatives. Poor people in developed nations don't have access to that luxury.

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Quote from: Synchronice on May 03, 2022, 11:18:04 AM

Sure we can, I love traveling, it's my hobby and I have visited many places. In some poor countries, the villages are almost empty because of their very low quality of life and lack of technics to make the job easier but some people still live there, they mostly produce and enjoy organic foods.

We have left behind that lifestyle. Can we return back? Yes, that's possible and impossible at the same time. It's possible because everyone can work to feed themselves and it doesn't require a high school degree or much intellect. But it will stop the development of science, engineering, informational technologies, it will stop the progress of every field because if we have to feed ourselves, then how will we be able to work? The progress of agriculture is what led us to spend more time on other things.

Also, I said that it's impossible to return back to that lifestyle because science is on another level today and it can even jump higher in the agriculture sector if there is huge pressure and of course lack of food can seriously increase the pressure on scientists. Remember that good old joke, there would be a cure for baldness in a pill if women had that.

It's sad but poor countries with a lack of technical resources and education will be seriously affected.

In my opinion, a return to subsistence farming is impossible.

The production of agricultural products without the use of modern technologies is unprofitable. Such agricultural products will be very expensive. Only very rich people can afford it.

There are about 8 billion people on planet Earth today. This is a huge number of people.

To provide all these people with quality food, it is necessary to use the most modern technologies in agriculture.

Humanity has no way back. Mankind must move forward along the path of technological progress.

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Sure we can, I love traveling, it's my hobby and I have visited many places. In some poor countries, the villages are almost empty because of their very low quality of life and lack of technics to make the job easier but some people still live there, they mostly produce and enjoy organic foods.

We have left behind that lifestyle. Can we return back? Yes, that's possible and impossible at the same time. It's possible because everyone can work to feed themselves and it doesn't require a high school degree or much intellect. But it will stop the development of science, engineering, informational technologies, it will stop the progress of every field because if we have to feed ourselves, then how will we be able to work? The progress of agriculture is what led us to spend more time on other things.

Also, I said that it's impossible to return back to that lifestyle because science is on another level today and it can even jump higher in the agriculture sector if there is huge pressure and of course lack of food can seriously increase the pressure on scientists. Remember that good old joke, there would be a cure for baldness in a pill if women had that.

It's sad but poor countries with a lack of technical resources and education will be seriously affected.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on May 02, 2022, 02:47:29 PM

I have to admit economic doom and gloom in 2022 is looking a little different from typical "the sky is falling" content we see published every year. They say alternatives are already being explored in an effort to avert crisis.

The world is definitely not in a good shape right now but pretty sure that we are going to avert food crisis if economic sector is back to where it was before all these covid and war situation. Anyway, small amount of people seems to go with organic farming so in the future this could be a solution in the future if somehow fertilizers becoming not viable due to their cost anymore

Quote from: Hydrogen on May 02, 2022, 02:47:29 PM

Hopefully we can have a clean and smooth transition, rather than an uncomfortable one. If such becomes necessary.

We are definitely moving to that direction right now especially with this war issue. Its pretty vague at the moment what will happened after Putin got his hands on Ukraine because if he decided to move forward then we are going to have an uncomfortable food shortage transition.

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Quote from: davis196 on May 03, 2022, 07:16:06 AM

Food prices are going up and there's nothing we can do about it.
The farmers will find ways to optimize their production costs and efficiency,but the food prices won't get cheaper.We just have to find a way to survive.
There's lots of untouched good soil in my country,but the farmers don't want to use it,because the agricultural property is divided into multiple small parts and the government isn't providing enough financial incentive for them to rent and use that land.
Many countries in Africa and Latin America will have a hard time feeding their growing population.
I can't figure out a fast and effective solution to this problem."Food immigration" might become a thing in the upcoming decades.

In some cases where winter is present in their season, they need trades from different places of the world. Maybe they will survive but for how long? Good thing I lived in a tropical country, which we only have rainy and or sunny season. As for fertilizers, local farmers here are using any methods to keep their soil fertile if it is not, using decomposed vegetables to animal dung. The water supply is also great so we can barely manage to survive even those fertilizers' price would sky rocket. Most of our soil here are fertilize naturally, even backyards do have their own mini farm. In my family's case we have acres of land in our mothers name and the soils are great with rivers beside it. It was a coconut plantation back then until pest have eaten them, so they are most rubbers but I am planning to convert them to mangos or other trees that are fruits like avocados and such.

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Food prices are going up and there's nothing we can do about it.
The farmers will find ways to optimize their production costs and efficiency,but the food prices won't get cheaper.We just have to find a way to survive.
There's lots of untouched good soil in my country,but the farmers don't want to use it,because the agricultural property is divided into multiple small parts and the government isn't providing enough financial incentive for them to rent and use that land.
Many countries in Africa and Latin America will have a hard time feeding their growing population.
I can't figure out a fast and effective solution to this problem."Food immigration" might become a thing in the upcoming decades.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on May 02, 2022, 02:47:29 PM

Populations in the united states and india have doubled from the 1950s to the present. While the amount of arable land in the world has decreased annually. Population growth coupled with declining global farmland could imply we were destined for a correction of some type eventually. Hopefully we can have a clean and smooth transition, rather than an uncomfortable one. If such becomes necessary.

Like you have pointed to this. The major challenge of agriculture is population growth and the various government seem not to worry about this. I will not go to the suggestion of birth control because of food but that government need more action on that aspect to secure food for its people. Also the fact land availability for agriculture is not not increasing but getting destroyed because of war, erosion, excavation etc is the worrisome aspect.

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Yes it’s crazy what is happening and what is worse for farmers is also the price of diesel. Even though crude oil is around $100 the price of diesel in many prices is at ATH due to the war in Europe.

Something to do with the cold spring climate and how diesel is used for heating instead of natural gas which Russia is not supplying. So in many parts of the country price of diesel is very expensive and most farm machinery needs diesel.

Went to Costco the other day and found out that they want $20 CAD for a Watermelon, crazy pricing.

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farming should no longer be limited to farms only. We need to grow our food at home. With the shrinking farming lands, it becomes imperative tnat we need to farm for ourselves on rooftops in balconies, We need to use hydroponics, We need to do vertical farming. Grow your own food and stay secure. This is the only solution I see to this crisis. We need to be creative, we need to use science

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...but lately many smart farmers have emerged who make their own fertilizers from natural ingredients. so they use less of the chemical fertilizers they buy. without compromising crop quality.

Yes it is better to produce organic manure than using chemical fertilizers for farming. Countries with fertile lands can easily achieve this if they are willing to put in the effort. The problem is nowadays, people are so dependant on already processed stuff that they don't want to engage in doing such things.
In countries with enough farm lands they can engage in shifting cultivation.

yes indeed my country is a fertile country. even if you stick a stick in the dirt road. then the wooden stick will grow shoots. (This is just a proverb in my country so proud of the fertility of the soil in my country) . Then the use of organic fertilizers is a good solution. there are even big companies that produce this organic fertilizer on a large scale.

Quote from: Vaskiy on May 02, 2022, 08:06:09 PM

Well said, it is good to get into organic farming. Same time we need to analyse the prevailing condition of the country in terms of requirement as well as economic situation. In recent days Sri Lanka suffered a big failure out of the organic farming experiment. If the natural resource endowment of the country cannot feed the entire population through organic produce, it should be ready to import. Sri Lanka got into such situation and wasn't able to import due to debts. Now countries around are sending rice and necessary things.

Well that's right. Not all countries can apply organic fertilizers. Because soil structure and soil PH levels also vary within a country. There is a country's soil that contains too much acid and it is difficult to manage. Moving land periodically may be possible.

And one important thing in the use of organic fertilizers is that the results cannot be seen instantly like chemical fertilizers. Moreover, the soil is already accustomed to chemical fertilizers. So it is necessary to fertilize the soil first with EM4 liquid spray and it takes time before it is replanted.

I myself studied organic fertilizer inspired by EM4 which was discovered by scientists from Japan

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Quote from: Anonylz on May 02, 2022, 04:30:11 PM

Quote from: Lubcub62 on May 02, 2022, 04:11:07 PM

...but lately many smart farmers have emerged who make their own fertilizers from natural ingredients. so they use less of the chemical fertilizers they buy. without compromising crop quality.

Yes it is better to produce organic manure than using chemical fertilizers for farming. Countries with fertile lands can easily achieve this if they are willing to put in the effort. The problem is nowadays, people are so dependant on already processed stuff that they don't want to engage in doing such things.
In countries with enough farm lands they can engage in shifting cultivation.

Well said, it is good to get into organic farming. Same time we need to analyse the prevailing condition of the country in terms of requirement as well as economic situation. In recent days Sri Lanka suffered a big failure out of the organic farming experiment. If the natural resource endowment of the country cannot feed the entire population through organic produce, it should be ready to import. Sri Lanka got into such situation and wasn't able to import due to debts. Now countries around are sending rice and necessary things.

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