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Scientists Measure The Spin of M87 Black Hole and It's Mind Blowing







Can't watch those at the moment but my guess is the spin rate of matter headed inward is a fair percentage of light speed.

Wow  Dafu** did I just watch. This is absolutely fantastic. Gonna subscribe to him from now on.
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Scientists Measure The Spin of M87 Black Hole and It's Mind Blowing







Can't watch those at the moment but my guess is the spin rate of matter headed inward is a fair percentage of light speed.

Take your time. Watch whenever and come back with your general perspective.

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Scientists Measure The Spin of M87 Black Hole and It's Mind Blowing







Can't watch those at the moment but my guess is the spin rate of matter headed inward is a fair percentage of light speed.
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Scientists Measure The Spin of M87 Black Hole and It's Mind Blowing






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Their existence was predicted by more General scientific theories (for the first time — at the end of the XVIII century) and since then repeatedly confirmed by calculations. But scientists did not have "material evidence" — and now they do.
that looks like a glazed donut that's very out of focus

In these times of deception people will believe anything they serve them, even the most ludicrous fairy tales.

Here is your "black hole" source  Grin Roll Eyes Tongue




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I have some other pictures...
But the Same news


https://twitter.com/ehtelescope
Their existence was predicted by more General scientific theories (for the first time — at the end of the XVIII century) and since then repeatedly confirmed by calculations. But scientists did not have "material evidence" — and now they do.
that looks like a glazed donut that's very out of focus

In these times of deception people will believe anything they serve them, even the most ludicrous fairy tales.

Here is your "black hole" source  Grin Roll Eyes Tongue


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Think about this. Up a ways in this thread, we mentioned that black holes might be rotating, like the Earth is turning. And that because of the turn (or spin), light might only reach escape velocity at the equator of the spinning BH, but be dragged in at the poles - centrifugal force acting on the light at the equator.

What if there weren't many stars? What if almost everything that we call a star is a spinning BH that we are viewing at the equator?

What if dark matter and dark energy are really black holes seen on end, at the poles, where light wouldn't have any equatorial spin to help it escape?

What if dim stars were slower spinning black holes, where the light barely escaped at the equator?

What if red shift had to do with the way the black holes spun - the way light escaped the BH - rather than with how fast stars were traveling away from us? Or maybe seen on "edge," neither from the equator or the pole?

What if the universe is way less than a billion light years in diameter, and we have applied the wrong theories to judge its size?

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I am not surprised when I get this news. we are discussing black holes and neutron stars for over a decade now. and this doesnt seem to do any diffrent. although I am not saying that it is not a great discovery, of course, it is, one of the best things happened in this era that we can finally start studying the actual black holes rather than some imaginary pictures. but still will it makes things different right now because we still do not understand their physics or how does blackhole actually behave.
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Its neat, but its not a picture of the part of the black hole that people really care about. They used microwave imaging, which would give them information on a distance quite far from the event horizon itself where the region of space was relatively warm. To get an image of the event horizon, they would have to use unfathomably high energy gamma radiation. I didn't run the numbers myself, but I was speaking with a stellar astrophysicist who said that we'd need a power source on the magnitude of the sun to get an image of the event horizon of a black hole using the same process.

I'm not putting anyone on the project down, its certainly cool and I'd be willing to bet that they themselves reported nothing incorrectly, but the media jumped on this like a medical study that found one guy who had a stroke after drinking a cup of coffee, so they report that coffee causes strokes. Astrophysicists think its neat, but not really that groundbreaking.

I sort of agree with that perspective but really, exponentially scaling up the power to get closer to an event horizon?

That's likely to sort of get like "where's the surface of a star?" It's indefinite, but we nonetheless have entire observatories that do nothing but look at the surface of the sun.

Work of this sort can quite likely go a long way without actually imaging the event horizon. I imagine that in any such long term observation, we could see really huge breakthroughs. 
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Its neat, but its not a picture of the part of the black hole that people really care about. They used microwave imaging, which would give them information on a distance quite far from the event horizon itself where the region of space was relatively warm. To get an image of the event horizon, they would have to use unfathomably high energy gamma radiation. I didn't run the numbers myself, but I was speaking with a stellar astrophysicist who said that we'd need a power source on the magnitude of the sun to get an image of the event horizon of a black hole using the same process.

I'm not putting anyone on the project down, its certainly cool and I'd be willing to bet that they themselves reported nothing incorrectly, but the media jumped on this like a medical study that found one guy who had a stroke after drinking a cup of coffee, so they report that coffee causes strokes. Astrophysicists think its neat, but not really that groundbreaking.
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I don't get why a black hole needs to spin. Yes I can see galaxies spin, everything spins pretty much. But why a black hole needs to spin. Is it because the star, before its collapse, was already spinning? Momentum to (infinite?) acceleration?


You and I don't know that a black hole spins. "Inside" the black hole, our rules of space time do not apply. A singularity has no dimensions, right?

We discuss the events outside the "event horizon," the Schwarchild radius.

We see things outside that radius. For example, assume an object is trapped and it is headed into the black hole, getting crushed and stretched as it goes. Light is emitted. Until it reaches the event horizon, we see that light. It was able to escape. After this object passes the event horizon, nothing escapes.

And there, yes, the typical circular flow patterns which develop in a gravitational field develop. Such patterns must be two dimensional, so they consolidate in the equatorial plane, where the radial forces are the highest.

I think that's understandable but if it isn't I'll try another approach.

It is as clear it could be to me. Cool!

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I don't get why a black hole needs to spin. Yes I can see galaxies spin, everything spins pretty much. But why a black hole needs to spin. Is it because the star, before its collapse, was already spinning? Momentum to (infinite?) acceleration?


You and I don't know that a black hole spins. "Inside" the black hole, our rules of space time do not apply. A singularity has no dimensions, right?

We discuss the events outside the "event horizon," the Schwarchild radius.

We see things outside that radius. For example, assume an object is trapped and it is headed into the black hole, getting crushed and stretched as it goes. Light is emitted. Until it reaches the event horizon, we see that light. It was able to escape. After this object passes the event horizon, nothing escapes.

And there, yes, the typical circular flow patterns which develop in a gravitational field develop. Such patterns must be two dimensional, so they consolidate in the equatorial plane, where the radial forces are the highest.

I think that's understandable but if it isn't I'll try another approach.
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Rate of centrifugal force is highest equatorially. There the speed is likely a good fraction of light speed, where at upper and lower latitudes that speed is proportionally less. In those regions light falls in at the equator it cannot.

Does this mean that we have a continual sliding of photons from the equatorial regions, along the "surface" of the BH, toward the poles? And then, internally, from the poles towards the equator? ...
No. Nothing of the sort.


I know, I know. If we work at it hard enough, we can think up theories in any direction.

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I don't get why a black hole needs to spin. Yes I can see galaxies spin, everything spins pretty much. But why a black hole needs to spin. Is it because the star, before its collapse, was already spinning? Momentum to (infinite?) acceleration?

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Rate of centrifugal force is highest equatorially. There the speed is likely a good fraction of light speed, where at upper and lower latitudes that speed is proportionally less. In those regions light falls in at the equator it cannot.

Does this mean that we have a continual sliding of photons from the equatorial regions, along the "surface" of the BH, toward the poles? And then, internally, from the poles towards the equator? ...
No. Nothing of the sort.

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Why are some jokers always pushing women into the forefront when they aren't supposed to be there?


Mass media celebration of woman scientist credited for black hole image was bogus… even SCIENCE is now pushing a liberal agenda



In its rush to politicize on the basis of gender, the world’s first computer-generated image of a “black hole,” the mainstream media has once again been caught propagating politically-correct “fake news” by falsely attributing the image’s creation to a female whose algorithms weren’t even used to generate said image.

For days, Left Cult writers, pundits, and politicians hailed Katie Bouman as some kind of hero for supposedly single-handedly coding the data that ultimately generated the black hole image – something that Bouman herself initially claimed on her personal Facebook page when she captioned a celebratory photo of herself with the words:

“Watching in disbelief as the first image I ever made of a black hole was in the process of being reconstructed.”

Bouman, the paying-attention world would quickly find out, wasn’t actually being honest in taking full credit for the image’s generation, seeing as how an entire team of coders contributed to the project. Not only that, but Bouman’s coding “contributions” didn’t even make the final cut – meaning she contributed a whole lot of nothing to the final creation.

But none of this stopped the fake news brigade, along with dimwitted politicians like socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC), from publishing all sorts of sexist, woman-worshiping nonsense about how Bouman has somehow earned a unique place in the history books as a female contributor to science.

“Take your rightful seat in history, Dr. Bouman!” tweeted AOC, along with an emoji of a telescope. “Congratulations and thank you for your enormous contribution to the advancements of science and mankind. Here’s to #WomenInSTEM!” the live-streaming fanatic added, “STEM” referring to the fields of science, technology, engineering and math, which many Leftist feminists claim isn’t occupied by enough women, LGBTs, and other “special” groups.


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So... How many black holes, mathematically speaking, exist across the universe?

Are they responsible for that missing mass?

How come the light (energy) I see on that picture is not perfectly spherical? I thought a black hole was a hole from all directions, from all perspectives... and not something shaped like a warped doughnut... So a black hole has an up and a down and a profile.

Cool.

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EDIT: The light we see is a what is happening in the region behind the black hole. I answered my own question.

Rate of centrifugal force is highest equatorially. There the speed is likely a good fraction of light speed, where at upper and lower latitudes that speed is proportionally less. In those regions light falls in at the equator it cannot.

Does this mean that we have a continual sliding of photons from the equatorial regions, along the "surface" of the BH, toward the poles? And then, internally, from the poles towards the equator? If so, the BH is a churn of constant chaos that we can never understand from the few photons that finally escape into space while escaping at the equator.

If we see a BH as a black-hole, what we are seeing is the polar region. If we see the BH from the equator, it might look like a dim star from the few photons being expelled, which were originally dragged in at the poles.

At the distances we are from a BH, we can't really tell what's going on. The BH might be completely different than all the postulating and theorizing that we do.

Cool
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So... How many black holes, mathematically speaking, exist across the universe?

Are they responsible for that missing mass?

How come the light (energy) I see on that picture is not perfectly spherical? I thought a black hole was a hole from all directions, from all perspectives... and not something shaped like a warped doughnut... So a black hole has an up and a down and a profile.

Cool.

 Smiley

EDIT: The light we see is a what is happening in the region behind the black hole. I answered my own question.

Rate of centrifugal force is highest equatorially. There the speed is likely a good fraction of light speed, where at upper and lower latitudes that speed is proportionally less. In those regions light falls in at the equator it cannot.
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It is one of the biggest milestone reach on exploring the universe and this also proves theories written by many great scientists.No one still know what can be inside a blackhole but we are seeing something which is 50 million light years away from us.
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So... How many black holes, mathematically speaking, exist across the universe?

Are they responsible for that missing mass?

How come the light (energy) I see on that picture is not perfectly spherical? I thought a black hole was a hole from all directions, from all perspectives... and not something shaped like a warped doughnut... So a black hole has an up and a down and a profile.

Cool.

 Smiley

EDIT: The light we see is a what is happening in the region behind the black hole. I answered my own question.
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