Can we do what China did to gaming with gambling?

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Quote from: South Park on September 01, 2021, 04:46:39 PM

Quote from: Sanugarid on September 01, 2021, 09:27:54 AM

Recently China passed a law that says that there's a break for children for playing videogames, I like this regulation because it helps kids reconnect with physical world and at the same time make them not dependent or addicted to the virtual space. Now here's my question, can we do that to gambling too, it can probably help the people to take a break and cool their heads off when they're on a losing streak or it can also be a time for some reflection as to when did it all go wrong for them to lead to this point.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/31/tech/china-ban-video-games-minor-intl-hnk/index.html?espv=1

I disagree completely with the application of this kind of restriction to kids when it comes to gaming and to adults as well when comes to gambling, I know that a lot of people who see something like this like it and they do because they do not like the idea of kids gaming so much, but it is the responsibility of the parents and not the governments to control how much time their kids spend gaming and the same is true for gambling, each person needs to decide responsibly what they do with their time and their money, I know that some people are going to pick the wrong choice but that is the price we need to pay for freedom.

You shouldnt really be that close minded because if you do really look on general perspective or on bigger picture then whats the thing that they would obtain on stopping kids on playing videogames. None right?

They are showing off at least some concern on what are the cons of playing too much videogames and if their intent is to make or let those children connect with the physical world then it isnt really that bad
motive but rather i do see it to be good instead.

When it comes to gambling restriction then this is an another story because we cant just compare off things that deal with real money and simply those games as past time which doesnt involved one.

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Quote from: Sanugarid on September 01, 2021, 09:27:54 AM

Recently China passed a law that says that there's a break for children for playing videogames, I like this regulation because it helps kids reconnect with physical world and at the same time make them not dependent or addicted to the virtual space. Now here's my question, can we do that to gambling too, it can probably help the people to take a break and cool their heads off when they're on a losing streak or it can also be a time for some reflection as to when did it all go wrong for them to lead to this point.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/31/tech/china-ban-video-games-minor-intl-hnk/index.html?espv=1

I disagree completely with the application of this kind of restriction to kids when it comes to gaming and to adults as well when comes to gambling, I know that a lot of people who see something like this like it and they do because they do not like the idea of kids gaming so much, but it is the responsibility of the parents and not the governments to control how much time their kids spend gaming and the same is true for gambling, each person needs to decide responsibly what they do with their time and their money, I know that some people are going to pick the wrong choice but that is the price we need to pay for freedom.

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How it would be implemented or to roll-out?

Are they going to house to house on making out some personal checks?
Would they block it through ISP?

I do like the initiative but im bit confused nor still in question on how they would gonna do that but well knowing China
they are really strict on implementing things.

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Quote from: Sanugarid on September 01, 2021, 09:27:54 AM

Recently China passed a law that says that there's a break for children for playing videogames, I like this regulation because it helps kids reconnect with physical world and at the same time make them not dependent or addicted to the virtual space. Now here's my question, can we do that to gambling too, it can probably help the people to take a break and cool their heads off when they're on a losing streak or it can also be a time for some reflection as to when did it all go wrong for them to lead to this point.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/31/tech/china-ban-video-games-minor-intl-hnk/index.html?espv=1

Well, Addiction is not limited to virtual gambling stuff. Like you said "If the same can be said for gambling" And my answer would be Yes!

Gambling addiction, Alcohol addiction, Drugs addiction. These addictions are different but the habit is the same and people have a hard time getting rid of their addictions alone and they reject getting help. I've seen this with Alcoholics. They refuse to admit that they're addicted and can't see it themself..

Nvm that now to the Topic -

It's actually a good thing what China did but I'm still surprised that a Nation such a China that did this.. I thought they want to control and keep on feeding subconscious messages to the children through games but that can't be done with every game...

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Quote from: Sanugarid on September 01, 2021, 09:27:54 AM

Recently China passed a law that says that there's a break for children for playing videogames, I like this regulation because it helps kids reconnect with physical world and at the same time make them not dependent or addicted to the virtual space. Now here's my question, can we do that to gambling too, it can probably help the people to take a break and cool their heads off when they're on a losing streak or it can also be a time for some reflection as to when did it all go wrong for them to lead to this point.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/31/tech/china-ban-video-games-minor-intl-hnk/index.html?espv=1

Possible but i dont really believe that a certain country would prohibit or make it happen for too long. 1 or 2 days break would be considerable but talking about a week to months then it would be a no go specially
to those countries who do really get high taxes from these businesses then they would definitely rather consider on having no break rather than not getting any tax at all. Its a personal choice but not really a bad
initiative by the government on where there should some break when it comes to this but it is really hard to get rid off for children not to make engagement knowing on this digital era.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 01, 2021, 01:40:00 PM

It will only make matters worse.

The more you restrict people from doing something, the more that they will do things in order to just get their fill of it. Just take a look at lockdowns during the pandemic. Most people hated being restricted within the confines of their homes, hence some of them are breaking quarantine restrictions in order to just go outside and do what they normally do. This can be the same with gambling, and with that strict of a regulation, people will seek underground gambling platforms in order to just play, or to get their fill of gambling.

Indeed. In my country, for example, gambling is forbidden, but it doesn't prevent lots of people from betting. They just go to illegal houses or virtual casinos instead of the old legal physical casinos we had before the law passed. When the industry was considered legit, there were many people who legally worked in casinos and now these people are unemployed or have to work in the shadows of clandestinity.

Quote from: dothebeats on September 01, 2021, 01:40:00 PM

Also, morality comes second to the government, especially if they are gaining a lot from the industry. They are earning billions from gambling alone, so why would they restrict it or put some heavy regulations about it?

In some countries restrictions happen for religious reasons, but in China's case I think it's more like a strategy to not let the population fall for addictions of any kinds (as even children are being prevented from playing videogames accordingly to OP). Addictions make people weaker, less productive, so chinese government wants to avoid that, just like they did with opium dens back in 1950's, when they totally erradicated the production and usage of opium.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 01, 2021, 01:40:00 PM

It will only make matters worse.

The more you restrict people from doing something, the more that they will do things in order to just get their fill of it. Just take a look at lockdowns during the pandemic. Most people hated being restricted within the confines of their homes, hence some of them are breaking quarantine restrictions in order to just go outside and do what they normally do. This can be the same with gambling, and with that strict of a regulation, people will seek underground gambling platforms in order to just play, or to get their fill of gambling.

Also, morality comes second to the government, especially if they are gaining a lot from the industry. They are earning billions from gambling alone, so why would they restrict it or put some heavy regulations about it?

You are absolutely right. No amount of restriction can force a person not to do what he likes.

I believe that each of us must have our own internal constraint. If you feel that gambling is taking you too long or you are losing money that was intended for another cause, then you should definitely limit yourself. If gambling doesn't cause you any problems, then there's no need to limit yourself.

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Quote from: Sanugarid on September 01, 2021, 09:27:54 AM

Recently China passed a law that says that there's a break for children for playing videogames, I like this regulation because it helps kids reconnect with physical world and at the same time make them not dependent or addicted to the virtual space. Now here's my question, can we do that to gambling too, it can probably help the people to take a break and cool their heads off when they're on a losing streak or it can also be a time for some reflection as to when did it all go wrong for them to lead to this point.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/31/tech/china-ban-video-games-minor-intl-hnk/index.html?espv=1

Well China lives under a dictatorship. So the Chinese government can do whatever they want. Having a time limit for playing video games is nothing, they can even evict you anytime from your house if they need your land for any development work. So they can do whatever they want but that doesn't have an impact on the rest of the world.

I am sure no other government (except few dictator led countries) would want to bring any law that would restrict their citizens from any activity including gambling. That's just not possible because that will violate the basic fundamental human rights.

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Quote from: Sanugarid on September 01, 2021, 09:27:54 AM

Recently China passed a law that says that there's a break for children for playing videogames, I like this regulation because it helps kids reconnect with physical world and at the same time make them not dependent or addicted to the virtual space.

Whether there is this type of law or there's none, it's still the responsibility of parents on how they'll control their children towards gaming. You can set a house rule how long your kids can play continuously or if they are done already with their chores. When I've seen this, that didn't surprise me as it's basically the parents that should be giving that limit but through China's government, it's an enforcement because probably they have seen that a lot of parents can no longer control their children.

Quote from: Sanugarid on September 01, 2021, 09:27:54 AM

Now here's my question, can we do that to gambling too, it can probably help the people to take a break and cool their heads off when they're on a losing streak or it can also be a time for some reflection as to when did it all go wrong for them to lead to this point.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/31/tech/china-ban-video-games-minor-intl-hnk/index.html?espv=1

It is different for the gamblers as we're adults already and don't have time to study unlike the kids, they have other things to do and focus with such as studying. Although we have different ways of living, this can be just solved by enforcing it on your own.

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Quote from: Sanugarid on September 01, 2021, 09:27:54 AM

Recently China passed a law that says that there's a break for children for playing videogames, I like this regulation because it helps kids reconnect with physical world and at the same time make them not dependent or addicted to the virtual space. Now here's my question, can we do that to gambling too, it can probably help the people to take a break and cool their heads off when they're on a losing streak or it can also be a time for some reflection as to when did it all go wrong for them to lead to this point.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/31/tech/china-ban-video-games-minor-intl-hnk/index.html?espv=1

The role of parents may be more precisely in regulating their children not to focus on playing games and more inviting them to be able to play in the yard.
Adults tend to already know what they are doing, but if you do the time lag way when gambling is very difficult if you are in a state of gambling at a fun time.
Sometimes adults gamble because for them gambling is entertainment. So you could say it's different from children who have to play more and interact physically with their peers.

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It will only make matters worse.

The more you restrict people from doing something, the more that they will do things in order to just get their fill of it. Just take a look at lockdowns during the pandemic. Most people hated being restricted within the confines of their homes, hence some of them are breaking quarantine restrictions in order to just go outside and do what they normally do. This can be the same with gambling, and with that strict of a regulation, people will seek underground gambling platforms in order to just play, or to get their fill of gambling.

Also, morality comes second to the government, especially if they are gaining a lot from the industry. They are earning billions from gambling alone, so why would they restrict it or put some heavy regulations about it?

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Ban crypto mining = losing this industry.
Ban gaming - losing this industry.

Why is China going to lose industries where it was the leader? At some point it's understandable, children are really addicted to gaming and this really has negative effect on their mental health and social skills. Gaming is really different from real life games like soccer, basketball and others. I have seen CS 1.6 addicted children who were destroying their keyboards and mouses because of lose and most of them had very sensitive and anxious reflexes.

What if the same applies to gambling? When the government bans gambling, then people find different countries that let them gamble without restrictions. On another hand, the country that bans gambling just loses a lot of money and benefits other countries instead of own one.

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Quote from: Sanugarid on September 01, 2021, 09:27:54 AM

Recently China passed a law that says that there's a break for children for playing videogames, I like this regulation because it helps kids reconnect with physical world and at the same time make them not dependent or addicted to the virtual space. Now here's my question, can we do that to gambling too, it can probably help the people to take a break and cool their heads off when they're on a losing streak or it can also be a time for some reflection as to when did it all go wrong for them to lead to this point.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/31/tech/china-ban-video-games-minor-intl-hnk/index.html?espv=1

The big question is that who will ensure that the children get break from playing video games ? Who will monitor them. If you say that its duty of parents, then i am afraid they could have done it without the law.
Its very hard to stop things from kids which are available online unless to stop giving them the mobiles or computers.

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Is there a gambler who isn’t matured enough? I guess I haven’t seen such anyone though I don’t have a lot of gamblers known. But still, it doesn’t make sense. Most of majority of the gamblers are matured enough and they know what they are DOING. Then, why would it be an issue? Well, no casino allow a child to gamble. They require at least 18 years; you probably know this.
If you are talking a break for mature people, that's not enough logical IMO.

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Quote from: Sanugarid on September 01, 2021, 09:27:54 AM

Recently China passed a law that says that there's a break for children for playing videogames, I like this regulation because it helps kids reconnect with physical world and at the same time make them not dependent or addicted to the virtual space. Now here's my question, can we do that to gambling too, it can probably help the people to take a break and cool their heads off when they're on a losing streak or it can also be a time for some reflection as to when did it all go wrong for them to lead to this point.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/31/tech/china-ban-video-games-minor-intl-hnk/index.html?espv=1

First, you have to take control of things... in China this is relatively easy, but try to do the same in a democratic country... good luck!
In a capitalist world what matters is money, so gambling sites analyze what is most profitable... to continue following the rules of a country and not suffer fines or migrate to less strict countries to have more freedom even if they win any less?

Anyway, the fact is that China makes its own laws and has the necessary tools to enforce them, you can't try to apply them elsewhere.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 01, 2021, 12:09:33 PM

It would be difficult to implement such rules on adults because different persons gamble at different time for children their time to a large extent is programmed is either they are at school or at home but for the adult you can't predict their time and activities so trying to use the same measure on adults would not really work well

Yeah, I've realized that by the after I've pressed the post button and I think that I will be locking this thread if it's not deleted by tomorrow if it's going to be the same point than the other existing posts.

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Quote from: Sanugarid on September 01, 2021, 09:27:54 AM

...Now here's my question, can we do that to gambling too, it can probably help the people to take a break and cool their heads off when they're on a losing streak or it can also be a time for some reflection as to when did it all go wrong for them to lead to this point.

Good initiative but adults would still participate even if gambling or a particular betting event is illegal in their country. How do you think this type of law would stop them or cool off? Nothing can stop them once they're addicted but self-restraint.

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It would be difficult to implement such rules on adults because different persons gamble at different time for children their time to a large extent is programmed is either they are at school or at home but for the adult you can't predict their time and activities so trying to use the same measure on adults would not really work well

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on September 01, 2021, 11:02:55 AM

Quote from: Sanugarid on September 01, 2021, 09:27:54 AM

Recently China passed a law that says that there's a break for children for playing videogames, I like this regulation because it helps kids reconnect with physical world and at the same time make them not dependent or addicted to the virtual space. Now here's my question, can we do that to gambling too, it can probably help the people to take a break and cool their heads off when they're on a losing streak or it can also be a time for some reflection as to when did it all go wrong for them to lead to this point.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/31/tech/china-ban-video-games-minor-intl-hnk/index.html?espv=1

Well, if I am not wrong all kind of gambling games are completely banned in China except the lottery which is run by the government itself so they already have strict regulations towards such kind of activities but in reality people are travelling to the other countries from China just for their gambling since its also a form of an entertainment. Instead of banning anything completely the government should regulate it so the minors so called kids can be saved while the remaining people can do that from their comfort zone itself.

I agree with you, and I believe it would be beneficial to the government because these businesses pay high taxes; in our country, these types of businesses pay some of the highest taxes, which is great for the government because they will earn a lot of money. That is why these things are legal in our country because the government makes a lot of money from them.

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Quote from: Sanugarid on September 01, 2021, 11:51:43 AM

I am not talking about the kid's gambling, you've misunderstood mea culpa, I was just referring to the regulation alone and not the kids so I thought I've implied that I was talking about the regulation.

Misunderstanding or not, no worries, it doesn't matter much: I've taken them out of the equation and the rest stands valid Wink

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