Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 09, 2017, 01:57:43 AM

Quote from: flekkelek on January 08, 2017, 06:46:27 PM

As an eastern-european I'd rather join a 2nd Soviet Union than Merkel's "Europe".

Good choice. Russia (or the Eurasian Union) will remain as a Christian majority nation in the long-term future, while Merkel's European Union will become Muslim majority in a matter of few decades. So make up your mind.

Yes, at such a pace, the European Union may soon collapse and it will be better to join Russia if it is not seized by China.

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The EU is scared of Russia, so no.

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Quote from: flekkelek on January 08, 2017, 06:46:27 PM

As an eastern-european I'd rather join a 2nd Soviet Union than Merkel's "Europe".

Good choice. Russia (or the Eurasian Union) will remain as a Christian majority nation in the long-term future, while Merkel's European Union will become Muslim majority in a matter of few decades. So make up your mind.

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Quote from: criptix on January 08, 2017, 07:10:15 PM

Quote from: flekkelek on January 08, 2017, 06:46:27 PM

Quote from: criptix on January 08, 2017, 10:28:00 AM

Quote from: DimidoffVany on January 08, 2017, 10:21:59 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 08, 2017, 10:15:44 AM

Quote from: ovvidiy on January 08, 2017, 08:58:04 AM

Have you tried to ask the Ukrainians if they want to, there was Russia?

First of all "Ukrainians" are not a homogeneous ethnic group. The Western Ukrainians and the Eastern Ukrainians are as different as the Chinese and the Japanese. Right now, the Western Ukrainians are trying to impose their culture and language on the Eastern Ukrainians, and this is the trigger behind the ongoing civil war. Even if Russia stays away, unless the Western Ukrainians stop their ethnic harassment, the conflict will never end.

Do not tell tales!!! Are you from Russia? You here on the forum always defend the position of Russia. What you say is part of Putin's propaganda. You even ever been to Ukraine? In 2012 the whole of Europe saw that you're lying. There is no difference between the West and East of Ukraine.

The russian troll probaly things that west and east germany (brd/ddr) were 2 ethnicities too.

There is a fucking reason why every east european state is in fear of a russian aggression and that is not because putin is the 2nd coming of jesus.

As an eastern-european I'd rather join a 2nd Soviet Union than Merkel's "Europe".

just move to crimea or syria then Cheesy

well, it looks like Syria moves here first Cheesy

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Quote from: flekkelek on January 08, 2017, 06:46:27 PM

Quote from: criptix on January 08, 2017, 10:28:00 AM

Quote from: DimidoffVany on January 08, 2017, 10:21:59 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 08, 2017, 10:15:44 AM

Quote from: ovvidiy on January 08, 2017, 08:58:04 AM

Have you tried to ask the Ukrainians if they want to, there was Russia?

First of all "Ukrainians" are not a homogeneous ethnic group. The Western Ukrainians and the Eastern Ukrainians are as different as the Chinese and the Japanese. Right now, the Western Ukrainians are trying to impose their culture and language on the Eastern Ukrainians, and this is the trigger behind the ongoing civil war. Even if Russia stays away, unless the Western Ukrainians stop their ethnic harassment, the conflict will never end.

Do not tell tales!!! Are you from Russia? You here on the forum always defend the position of Russia. What you say is part of Putin's propaganda. You even ever been to Ukraine? In 2012 the whole of Europe saw that you're lying. There is no difference between the West and East of Ukraine.

The russian troll probaly things that west and east germany (brd/ddr) were 2 ethnicities too.

There is a fucking reason why every east european state is in fear of a russian aggression and that is not because putin is the 2nd coming of jesus.

As an eastern-european I'd rather join a 2nd Soviet Union than Merkel's "Europe".

just move to crimea or syria then Cheesy

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Quote from: criptix on January 08, 2017, 10:28:00 AM

Quote from: DimidoffVany on January 08, 2017, 10:21:59 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 08, 2017, 10:15:44 AM

Quote from: ovvidiy on January 08, 2017, 08:58:04 AM

Have you tried to ask the Ukrainians if they want to, there was Russia?

First of all "Ukrainians" are not a homogeneous ethnic group. The Western Ukrainians and the Eastern Ukrainians are as different as the Chinese and the Japanese. Right now, the Western Ukrainians are trying to impose their culture and language on the Eastern Ukrainians, and this is the trigger behind the ongoing civil war. Even if Russia stays away, unless the Western Ukrainians stop their ethnic harassment, the conflict will never end.

Do not tell tales!!! Are you from Russia? You here on the forum always defend the position of Russia. What you say is part of Putin's propaganda. You even ever been to Ukraine? In 2012 the whole of Europe saw that you're lying. There is no difference between the West and East of Ukraine.

The russian troll probaly things that west and east germany (brd/ddr) were 2 ethnicities too.

There is a fucking reason why every east european state is in fear of a russian aggression and that is not because putin is the 2nd coming of jesus.

As an eastern-european I'd rather join a 2nd Soviet Union than Merkel's "Europe".

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Quote from: criptix on January 08, 2017, 10:28:00 AM

Quote from: DimidoffVany on January 08, 2017, 10:21:59 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 08, 2017, 10:15:44 AM

Quote from: ovvidiy on January 08, 2017, 08:58:04 AM

Have you tried to ask the Ukrainians if they want to, there was Russia?

First of all "Ukrainians" are not a homogeneous ethnic group. The Western Ukrainians and the Eastern Ukrainians are as different as the Chinese and the Japanese. Right now, the Western Ukrainians are trying to impose their culture and language on the Eastern Ukrainians, and this is the trigger behind the ongoing civil war. Even if Russia stays away, unless the Western Ukrainians stop their ethnic harassment, the conflict will never end.

Do not tell tales!!! Are you from Russia? You here on the forum always defend the position of Russia. What you say is part of Putin's propaganda. You even ever been to Ukraine? In 2012 the whole of Europe saw that you're lying. There is no difference between the West and East of Ukraine.

The russian troll probaly things that west and east germany (brd/ddr) were 2 ethnicities too.

There is a fucking reason why every east european state is in fear of a russian aggression and that is not because putin is the 2nd coming of jesus.

This week Germany was transferred to Poland several hundred tanks. It makes me happy. This means that Russian propaganda has no effect on Germany. Although of course Russian trolls and purchased the policy excites the brain of Europeans.

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Quote from: DimidoffVany on January 08, 2017, 10:21:59 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 08, 2017, 10:15:44 AM

Quote from: ovvidiy on January 08, 2017, 08:58:04 AM

Have you tried to ask the Ukrainians if they want to, there was Russia?

First of all "Ukrainians" are not a homogeneous ethnic group. The Western Ukrainians and the Eastern Ukrainians are as different as the Chinese and the Japanese. Right now, the Western Ukrainians are trying to impose their culture and language on the Eastern Ukrainians, and this is the trigger behind the ongoing civil war. Even if Russia stays away, unless the Western Ukrainians stop their ethnic harassment, the conflict will never end.

Do not tell tales!!! Are you from Russia? You here on the forum always defend the position of Russia. What you say is part of Putin's propaganda. You even ever been to Ukraine? In 2012 the whole of Europe saw that you're lying. There is no difference between the West and East of Ukraine.

The russian troll probaly things that west and east germany (brd/ddr) were 2 ethnicities too.

There is a fucking reason why every east european state is in fear of a russian aggression and that is not because putin is the 2nd coming of jesus.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 08, 2017, 10:15:44 AM

Quote from: ovvidiy on January 08, 2017, 08:58:04 AM

Have you tried to ask the Ukrainians if they want to, there was Russia?

First of all "Ukrainians" are not a homogeneous ethnic group. The Western Ukrainians and the Eastern Ukrainians are as different as the Chinese and the Japanese. Right now, the Western Ukrainians are trying to impose their culture and language on the Eastern Ukrainians, and this is the trigger behind the ongoing civil war. Even if Russia stays away, unless the Western Ukrainians stop their ethnic harassment, the conflict will never end.

Do not tell tales!!! Are you from Russia? You here on the forum always defend the position of Russia. What you say is part of Putin's propaganda. You even ever been to Ukraine? In 2012 the whole of Europe saw that you're lying. There is no difference between the West and East of Ukraine.

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Quote from: ovvidiy on January 08, 2017, 08:58:04 AM

Have you tried to ask the Ukrainians if they want to, there was Russia?

First of all "Ukrainians" are not a homogeneous ethnic group. The Western Ukrainians and the Eastern Ukrainians are as different as the Chinese and the Japanese. Right now, the Western Ukrainians are trying to impose their culture and language on the Eastern Ukrainians, and this is the trigger behind the ongoing civil war. Even if Russia stays away, unless the Western Ukrainians stop their ethnic harassment, the conflict will never end.

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Quote from: craked5 on January 08, 2017, 09:40:47 AM

Quote from: ovvidiy on January 08, 2017, 08:58:04 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 08, 2017, 08:49:00 AM

Many of the European Union nations (especially France, Germany and Italy) were involved in the NATO invasions of third world countries such as Serbia (1999), Libya (2011), Iraq and Afghanistan. So they don't have the right to blame Russia for getting involved in Ukraine.

Have you tried to ask the Ukrainians if they want to, there was Russia? All who from Russia's neighbors want to on their territory spread Russian influence? Russia is not loved by all. America has shown its weakness of not supporting Ukraine with his troops.

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What is meant here is that they all have the will to use their influence and armies to take over neighbours or take out natural resources.
What's the difference between Russia taking over part of Ukraine and America trying to invade whole Midle East?

Russia is an aggressor and America is at war with it since 1947. Now America had a real opportunity to gain a foothold in Ukraine and weaken Russia. Obama was a coward and wouldn't do it, but Trump is a idiot. I feel sorry for you America.

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Quote from: ovvidiy on January 08, 2017, 08:58:04 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 08, 2017, 08:49:00 AM

Many of the European Union nations (especially France, Germany and Italy) were involved in the NATO invasions of third world countries such as Serbia (1999), Libya (2011), Iraq and Afghanistan. So they don't have the right to blame Russia for getting involved in Ukraine.

Have you tried to ask the Ukrainians if they want to, there was Russia? All who from Russia's neighbors want to on their territory spread Russian influence? Russia is not loved by all. America has shown its weakness of not supporting Ukraine with his troops.

...
What is meant here is that they all have the will to use their influence and armies to take over neighbours or take out natural resources.
What's the difference between Russia taking over part of Ukraine and America trying to invade whole Midle East?

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Quote from: mainpmf on January 08, 2017, 08:52:38 AM

Quote from: tracktorr on January 08, 2017, 08:42:53 AM

Those who say that Russia should be friends let think why Ronald Reagan called Russia the evil Empire. When the Americans defend their interests in other countries will see which side has always been Russian.

Thank you.
Here is the explanation of why the USA are the main threat to the world.
Because they do defend their interests in other countries. They have a huge will of political interference.
Usa takes side, they don't care about destroying entire countries or sacrifying populations to "defend their interests" as you said yourself.

No one denied. Just the interests are different. The Americans improve the living conditions of the population in the country in exchange for loyalty to America and Russia destroying the country so that people were poor because beggars are easier to manage. See the difference?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 08, 2017, 08:49:00 AM

Many of the European Union nations (especially France, Germany and Italy) were involved in the NATO invasions of third world countries such as Serbia (1999), Libya (2011), Iraq and Afghanistan. So they don't have the right to blame Russia for getting involved in Ukraine.

Have you tried to ask the Ukrainians if they want to, there was Russia? All who from Russia's neighbors want to on their territory spread Russian influence? Russia is not loved by all. America has shown its weakness of not supporting Ukraine with his troops.

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Quote from: tracktorr on January 08, 2017, 08:42:53 AM

Those who say that Russia should be friends let think why Ronald Reagan called Russia the evil Empire. When the Americans defend their interests in other countries will see which side has always been Russian.

Thank you.
Here is the explanation of why the USA are the main threat to the world.
Because they do defend their interests in other countries. They have a huge will of political interference.
Usa takes side, they don't care about destroying entire countries or sacrifying populations to "defend their interests" as you said yourself.

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Many of the European Union nations (especially France, Germany and Italy) were involved in the NATO invasions of third world countries such as Serbia (1999), Libya (2011), Iraq and Afghanistan. So they don't have the right to blame Russia for getting involved in Ukraine.

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Quote from: craked5 on January 08, 2017, 08:31:57 AM

Quote from: tracktorr on January 08, 2017, 08:07:50 AM

Quote from: markj113 on January 08, 2017, 07:53:52 AM

I suppose the US had no self serving agenda for the below list and it was all done for the good of the people and democracy right Roll Eyes

Every major power will stomp on smaller countries for control of natural resources.

Americans are certainly not angels, but everywhere where America controls the situation, people live much better than where control of the situation Russia. Of course war is not without casualties, but compare the number of after America and Russia.

Sure...
Between Irak/Afghanistan and Syria it's clear what's better. And USA have nothing to do with Syria of course. Only Russia is responsible here.

I would gladly compare the consequences of the two if they were even comparable... Even just by the number of war started USA wins by a fair amount!

Those who say that Russia should be friends let think why Ronald Reagan called Russia the evil Empire. When the Americans defend their interests in other countries will see which side has always been Russian.

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Quote from: tracktorr on January 08, 2017, 08:07:50 AM

Quote from: markj113 on January 08, 2017, 07:53:52 AM

I suppose the US had no self serving agenda for the below list and it was all done for the good of the people and democracy right Roll Eyes

Every major power will stomp on smaller countries for control of natural resources.

Americans are certainly not angels, but everywhere where America controls the situation, people live much better than where control of the situation Russia. Of course war is not without casualties, but compare the number of after America and Russia.

Sure...
Between Irak/Afghanistan and Syria it's clear what's better. And USA have nothing to do with Syria of course. Only Russia is responsible here.

I would gladly compare the consequences of the two if they were even comparable... Even just by the number of war started USA wins by a fair amount!

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Quote from: markj113 on January 08, 2017, 07:53:52 AM

I suppose the US had no self serving agenda for the below list and it was all done for the good of the people and democracy right Roll Eyes

Every major power will stomp on smaller countries for control of natural resources.

Americans are certainly not angels, but everywhere where America controls the situation, people live much better than where control of the situation Russia. Of course war is not without casualties, but compare the number of after America and Russia.

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I suppose the US had no self serving agenda for the below list and it was all done for the good of the people and democracy right Roll Eyes

Every major power will stomp on smaller countries for control of natural resources.

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