Can we get nubie jail back please. | Bitcointalksearch.org

Lauda

legendary

Activity: 2674

Merit: 3000

Terminated.

Quote from: hilariousandco on December 20, 2014, 12:16:25 PM

How is it effecting them? Being faintly annoyed? They should get over it. There is likely no solution. See my above post below, but feel free to put forward one yourself:

Quote from: hilariousandco on December 19, 2014, 01:02:56 AM

There's no amount of restrictions that we could put in place that would stop the worst offenders. The determined ones will bypass anything to continue their trolling or spamming but we just deal with them as they come and are reported.

Faintly? How about overly? I know a lot of people who stopped using this forum as much due to the amount of idiocy that comes up every day (incl. me).
You don't have to stop the worst offenders. Just stop the majority of them (easy, noobs which are spreading FUD and nonsense).

Quickseller

copper member

Activity: 2996

Merit: 2374

Maybe a solution would be to make newbies make one or two posts in the beginners section, to take away the total time logged in requirement, but add in a time since registration requirement (maybe you cannot post outside of the beginners section until you have been registered for at least say 90 minutes).

While this would still negatively affect legitimate users, the affect on them wold not be as detrimental/negative as the previous version of the newbie jail, and I don't think many people would mind making one introduction post plus one additional post in the newbie section and waiting an hour and a half. (maybe there could even be a ticker that counts down the time until you can post from that account).

This would also not stop all the spammers nor the worst offenders but it would likely at least force them to put more effort into spamming and would stop the lazier spammers.

hilariousandco

global moderator

Activity: 4018

Merit: 2728

Join the world-leading crypto sportsbook NOW!

How is it effecting them? Being faintly annoyed? They should get over it. There is likely no solution. See my above post below, but feel free to put forward one yourself:

Quote from: hilariousandco on December 19, 2014, 01:02:56 AM

There's no amount of restrictions that we could put in place that would stop the worst offenders. The determined ones will bypass anything to continue their trolling or spamming but we just deal with them as they come and are reported.

Lauda

legendary

Activity: 2674

Merit: 3000

Terminated.

Quote from: hilariousandco on December 20, 2014, 10:08:34 AM

Quote from: shorena on December 20, 2014, 10:00:09 AM

Quote from: Amph on December 20, 2014, 09:56:49 AM

maybe rise the amount to pay with account created via tor

...which would ...

Quote from: BadBear on December 20, 2014, 09:03:01 AM

... affect legimitate users more.

And there's plenty of proxies and VPNs about which persistent trolls will just use without having to pay anything.

Then think of another solution. You're the staff.
Not having a solution is affecting legitimate users even more, is it not?

hilariousandco

global moderator

Activity: 4018

Merit: 2728

Join the world-leading crypto sportsbook NOW!

Quote from: shorena on December 20, 2014, 10:00:09 AM

Quote from: Amph on December 20, 2014, 09:56:49 AM

maybe rise the amount to pay with account created via tor

...which would ...

Quote from: BadBear on December 20, 2014, 09:03:01 AM

... affect legimitate users more.

And there's plenty of proxies and VPNs about which persistent trolls will just use without having to pay anything.

shorena

copper member

Activity: 1498

Merit: 1528

No I dont escrow anymore.

Quote from: Amph on December 20, 2014, 09:56:49 AM

maybe rise the amount to pay with account created via tor

...which would ...

Quote from: BadBear on December 20, 2014, 09:03:01 AM

... affect legimitate users more.

Amph

legendary

Activity: 3248

Merit: 1070

maybe rise the amount to pay with account created via tor

BadBear

legendary

Activity: 1652

Merit: 1128

Anything that significantly makes it harder for them, would most likely affect legimitate users more.

rebuilder

legendary

Activity: 1615

Merit: 1000

Obviously there's no foolproof Troll-B-Gone solution to be found, but measures that make it harder to create shill accounts should have an effect on many kinds of troll, the mentally ill ones excluded.

hilariousandco

global moderator

Activity: 4018

Merit: 2728

Join the world-leading crypto sportsbook NOW!

It has been proposed before but it would unlikely work, though it would be an interesting experiment. It's easily figured out and once it has been and then the whole process will be largely futile.

MadZ

hero member

Activity: 908

Merit: 657

Quote from: hilariousandco on December 19, 2014, 08:50:18 AM

Again, as above, that probably won't stop the persistent trolls. They'll likely get around it someway. Hopefully there's a better captcha system on the new forum and that might cut bots down, but I guess even they can usually be bypassed somehow. It's a never ending battle with one side always trying to outsmart the other.

Would it be possible to "hellban" users, where someone can still post, their posts are just hidden from everyone else? Seems like a somewhat more effective solution against repetitive trolls. Perhaps even make it so their posts show up to the IP they are using if they log out or log into a different account. I doubt there is anything like this, given the forum software, but it seems like the ideal solution to combat those who make accounts knowing they will be banned.

hilariousandco

global moderator

Activity: 4018

Merit: 2728

Join the world-leading crypto sportsbook NOW!

Again, as above, that probably won't stop the persistent trolls. They'll likely get around it someway. Hopefully there's a better captcha system on the new forum and that might cut bots down, but I guess even they can usually be bypassed somehow. It's a never ending battle with one side always trying to outsmart the other.

rebuilder

legendary

Activity: 1615

Merit: 1000

how about e-mail verification for account creation? It should at least double the time needed to create a new account, assuming account creation on the forum has a captcha.

Lauda

legendary

Activity: 2674

Merit: 3000

Terminated.

We've requested the newbie jail multiple times already with no success.

hilariousandco

global moderator

Activity: 4018

Merit: 2728

Join the world-leading crypto sportsbook NOW!

There's no amount of restrictions that we could put in place that would stop the worst offenders. The determined ones will bypass anything to continue their trolling or spamming but we just deal with them as they come and are reported.

hyphymikey

hero member

Activity: 784

Merit: 1000

Quote from: Kassenzettel on December 18, 2014, 06:25:55 PM

Quote from: SaltySpitoon on December 18, 2014, 05:46:52 PM

Quote from: Snipe85 on December 18, 2014, 05:45:01 PM

Maybe IP bans for the spammers then? That might help a bit.

Already being done.

Where is the point to ban some ip it's sadly easy to bypass this Angry

Its just one more step they have to take to troll. Hopefully some just don't know how or will give up after being IP banned.

Kassenzettel

full member

Activity: 140

Merit: 100

Quote from: SaltySpitoon on December 18, 2014, 05:46:52 PM

Quote from: Snipe85 on December 18, 2014, 05:45:01 PM

Maybe IP bans for the spammers then? That might help a bit.

Already being done.

Where is the point to ban some ip it's sadly easy to bypass this Angry

SaltySpitoon

legendary

Activity: 2590

Merit: 2156

Welcome to the SaltySpitoon, how Tough are ya?

Quote from: Snipe85 on December 18, 2014, 05:45:01 PM

Maybe IP bans for the spammers then? That might help a bit.

Already being done.

Snipe85

sr. member

Activity: 756

Merit: 250

Infleum

Maybe IP bans for the spammers then? That might help a bit.

SaltySpitoon

legendary

Activity: 2590

Merit: 2156

Welcome to the SaltySpitoon, how Tough are ya?

Newbie Jail never kept spammers out, it just kept real newbies out of the conversations. People that are making accounts to spam have no problem waiting a few hours before being allowed to spam, they just create accounts in 6 hour shifts/waves. What newbie jail did was discourage the person with the intention of looking around at all of the boards and finding topics that actually interest or apply to them. If someone hears about Bitcoin and wants to come learn more, they should be able to without being penalized. If we penalize real newbies, they might just lose interest and leave.

Topic: Can we get nubie jail back please. (Read 1264 times)