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Topic: Can we still advertise the Satoshi Client for noobs? - page 2. (Read 3870 times)

legendary
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When it becomes commonly accepted that transmission nodes in the Bitcoin network are feasibly mainly to those with dedicated or specialized hardware in environments where network connectivity significantly exceeds what joe-sixpack has access to, I doubt that it will bounce back (to 'users run nodes') no matter what the theory says is possible.

At that point Bitcoin is, to me, a much different solution than the one which initially appealed to me and one with a different set of dangers.  It will also be at that point that I will be on the lookout for a good point to bail.  That is, one which maximizes my profits (or limits my losses as the case may be), and that has not been the overriding factor in my interest in the solution to date.

There is not much to actually argue about here since this is just my opinion and mindset.  It also seems that I have a lonely position here which is not representative of the user-base.  But just in case, I state it in case it has an impact on development priorities.





Ya, looking more than a few months ahead baffles and confuses a large majority of humans.  What can ya do?

legendary
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When it becomes commonly accepted that transmission nodes in the Bitcoin network are feasibly mainly to those with dedicated or specialized hardware in environments where network connectivity significantly exceeds what joe-sixpack has access to, I doubt that it will bounce back (to 'users run nodes') no matter what the theory says is possible.

At that point Bitcoin is, to me, a much different solution than the one which initially appealed to me and one with a different set of dangers.  It will also be at that point that I will be on the lookout for a good point to bail.  That is, one which maximizes my profits (or limits my losses as the case may be), and that has not been the overriding factor in my interest in the solution to date.

There is not much to actually argue about here since this is just my opinion and mindset.  It also seems that I have a lonely position here which is not representative of the user-base.  But just in case, I state it in case it has an impact on development priorities.



legendary
Activity: 4760
Merit: 1283
When it becomes commonly accepted that transmission nodes in the Bitcoin network are feasibly mainly to those with dedicated or specialized hardware in environments where network connectivity significantly exceeds what joe-sixpack has access to, I doubt that it will bounce back (to 'users run nodes') no matter what the theory says is possible.

At that point Bitcoin is, to me, a much different solution than the one which initially appealed to me and one with a different set of dangers.  It will also be at that point that I will be on the lookout for a good point to bail.  That is, one which maximizes my profits (or limits my losses as the case may be), and that has not been the overriding factor in my interest in the solution to date.

There is not much to actually argue about here since this is just my opinion and mindset.  It also seems that I have a lonely position here which is not representative of the user-base.  But just in case, I state it in case it has an impact on development priorities.

legendary
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I only suggest eWallets to noobs.

Which ewallet do you suggest?


I use and like blockchain the most so that's what I recommend.
hero member
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I only suggest eWallets to noobs.

Which ewallet do you suggest?

legendary
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WalletScrutiny.com
You seem to have those libs uptodate, hmm, are you using the "daemon" or the "qt" desktop version ?

I started bin/32/bitcoind -daemon. Anyway shouldn't if at all the daemon be faster than the X version and not the inverse? Here people seam to be talking of having a lightning fast 30 minutes wait for the qt version.
legendary
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...

i thought multibit would not need a special server?

post in the other thread so flatfly can fix it

opps, my bad, multibit is a standalone based on bitcoinj lib

FIX EDIT: the portability issue was already addressed https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.923865
legendary
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i installed bitoind on a good linux server 1gbit connection and it took over 24 hours to check thorugh the blockchain...
absolutely inacceptable for newbies giving it a quick try...

the thing is bitcoin-qt just works, like others said too. Bitcoind is a whole other issue and i don't think newbies will fiddle with it as a wallet too soon.  Smiley

@phelix that chart is a bit misleading, Armory uses the bitcoin client to handle the blockchain and the other two need a connection to dedicated servers that do the same thing. My point is we don't have a complete independent client atm, and btw bitcoin-qt IS portable. Meh, must stop evangelizing but can't help it sometimes.

i thought multibit would not need a special server?

post in the other thread so flatfly can fix it
legendary
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i installed bitoind on a good linux server 1gbit connection and it took over 24 hours to check thorugh the blockchain...
absolutely inacceptable for newbies giving it a quick try...

the thing is bitcoin-qt just works, like others said too. Bitcoind is a whole other issue and i don't think newbies will fiddle with it as a wallet too soon.  Smiley

@phelix that chart is a bit misleading, Armory uses the bitcoin client to handle the blockchain and the other two need a connection to dedicated servers that do the same thing. My point is we don't have a complete independent client atm, and btw bitcoin-qt IS portable. Meh, must stop evangelizing but can't help it sometimes.
legendary
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hero member
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i installed bitoind on a good linux server 1gbit connection and it took over 24 hours to check thorugh the blockchain...
absolutely inacceptable for newbies giving it a quick try...
legendary
Activity: 924
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Can you post which CLI-commands could help finding the cause?

It's a 2.6.18 i686 linux virtual server but 50x the startup time is a bit crazy still.

a bit off topic but yeah

Code:
#apt-get install apt-show-versions
#apt-show-versions |grep libdb4.8

You want to look for ver. +4.8.24, if it doesn't show up at all look for a way to upgrade your distro especially the Berkeley libs.
Thanx. If my concern of the client taking one day to start is the topic, I don't see how finding the reason is off-topic.

Code:
$ apt-show-versions |grep libdb4.8
libdb4.8/squeeze uptodate 4.8.30-2
libdb4.8-dev/squeeze uptodate 4.8.30-2

a bit off-topic in regards to OP i meant. You seem to have those libs uptodate, hmm, are you using the "daemon" or the "qt" desktop version ?
legendary
Activity: 1862
Merit: 1114
WalletScrutiny.com
Can you post which CLI-commands could help finding the cause?

It's a 2.6.18 i686 linux virtual server but 50x the startup time is a bit crazy still.

a bit off topic but yeah

Code:
#apt-get install apt-show-versions
#apt-show-versions |grep libdb4.8

You want to look for ver. +4.8.24, if it doesn't show up at all look for a way to upgrade your distro especially the Berkeley libs.
Thanx. If my concern of the client taking one day to start is the topic, I don't see how finding the reason is off-topic.

Code:
$ apt-show-versions |grep libdb4.8
libdb4.8/squeeze uptodate 4.8.30-2
libdb4.8-dev/squeeze uptodate 4.8.30-2
legendary
Activity: 924
Merit: 1004
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your DB libs could be out of date, dunno just saying. I've tested it a few times on various ubuntu machines and it has completed the blockchain download in the same amount of time ~30-40 minutes.

Can you post which CLI-commands could help finding the cause?

It's a 2.6.18 i686 linux virtual server but 50x the startup time is a bit crazy still.

a bit off topic but yeah

Code:
#apt-get install apt-show-versions
#apt-show-versions |grep libdb4.8

You want to look for ver. +4.8.24, if it doesn't show up at all look for a way to upgrade your distro especially the Berkeley libs.
legendary
Activity: 1862
Merit: 1114
WalletScrutiny.com
your DB libs could be out of date, dunno just saying. I've tested it a few times on various ubuntu machines and it has completed the blockchain download in the same amount of time ~30-40 minutes.

Can you post which CLI-commands could help finding the cause?

It's a 2.6.18 i686 linux virtual server but 50x the startup time is a bit crazy still.
legendary
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Merit: 1003
Simplicity is key, unless the person is a tech/monetary/economics/liberty enthusiast, then they're ready for more advanced discussions.

Bingo.
legendary
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Democracy is the original 51% attack
I only suggest eWallets to noobs.

+1

However, if the noob is clearly passionate about Bitcoin itself, then it might make sense to discuss the desktop client.

When my Mother asked "what the hell have you been spending your time on" I said, "sign up at blockchain.info" and then I sent her a coin, and she got it. Simplicity it key, unless the person is a tech/monetary/economics/liberty enthusiast, then they're ready for more advanced discussions.
legendary
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have you tried 6.2? it downloaded all blocks for me in about 20/30 mins yesterday

Are you kidding me?

After downloading 130000 blocks (aprox.), the synchronization gets too slow (almost unacceptable). I am synchronizing at 60-70 blocks/min.

My setup: OS: debian 6, Client: 0.6.2 (tar.gz), RAM: 512 MB (I can't afford better hardware)

The only thing I can say is that we have to solve this serious usability issue if we want to turn Bitcoin into the "New World Currency".



your DB libs could be out of date, dunno just saying. I've tested it a few times on various ubuntu machines and it has completed the blockchain download in the same amount of time ~30-40 minutes.

@westkybitcoins, debian-ubuntu here
legendary
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Firstbits: Compromised. Thanks, Android!
To those who had the 20/30-minute download times...

Are you all using Windows?
legendary
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I also setup a new 0.62 wallet on a Windows VM yesterday and it took about 30 minutes to get the whole blockchain.
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