Topic: Canada $6000 fine if not following 8pm-5am curfew (Read 204 times)

Pretty sure most of these curfews are in place to stop people from going out at night — meaning going out to dinner, bars, friends houses for late night meetus, and so on and so forth.

People going on a walk late at night is not going to spread the virus, but a late night meetup at a friends house is probably going to involve a lot of people (10 or so) from different areas all eating, drinking / smoking, etc and spreading the virus to one another if they have it.

I’ve heard from my Canadian friends that things were getting strict up there, but didn’t know the curfew was that early.

Quebec is different than the other provinces regarding laws. Quebec is civil law, while the other provinces are common law, as is the national government. People need to take their cases against government officials to Queen's Bench in man to man cases, asking for money for violating their rights to their private property... their bodies.

People of Quebec need to go directly to Canada's national Queen's Bench court to fight Quebec's civil law.

"The True North strong and free" indeed.

Yes, the fine is not fixed at 6000$ and is being wrongly presented here. You will get fine according to your violation and it is something not to be surprised. Many government takes such steps otherwise its hard for people to stop. Remember there is a fine if you violate any traffic rules and most people just do not violate the rules only due to the fear of paying the fine. Imagine if there was no fine, how many people will still follow the traffic rules ?

limiting venues from 18 hours (6am-midnight) to only 9 hours (9am-5pm) is about halving the risk.
if government had ways to economically support the venues and ways to distribute essential produce via delivery instead of store visit. the government would want 0 hours to completely void any chance of spread in those venues. but this is not always possible so limiting the risk is next best plan

the idea is to get people to not loiter in the streets/venues all day and night. and instead be very choosy about when they should venture out.
EG (2020) usually going daily to a grocery store and buy just 1 day of snacks. but instead go once a week to buy a week of snacks. decreases the number of people by 7x
having people get things delivered instead of going to the store also reduces the amount of people out by a few multiples..
its all about reducing the amount of people out in public

EG (2021)the reason for curfews and limiting opening hours is pretty much because people like you actually want to go out often in the early morning/evening.. to avoid the day time ventures
the lockdown restrictions are stay home. but people like you are looking for ways to go out in the evening. and when too many like minded people all decide to go out in the evening to avoid going out during day. guess what. spreader events occur in the evenings and so curfew are then implemented to stop that.

yep.. people took the 2020 advice and now using/abusing it to go out at night to avoid going out in day.

so dont be planning daily store visits and complain how they are packed with people. to then want night time visits
instead plan a weekly visit. heck even prep a shopping list to avoid time loitering in stores. heck even plan to have food delivered
dont be the fools avoiding daytime shopping just to cause nighttime surges.

UK retailers have this thing called 'click and collect' whereby instead of you spending an hour in a grocery store hand picking things and loitering while you decide. you get the store staff to do the picking from your shopping list you decided on at home. and you just turn up to pay and take your shopping bags. (1 hour loitering turns into 5 minutes instore)
thus reducing your exposure to other shoppers by 12x

I also don't get how such curfew help to stop spread of virus. In my country there is lockdown, but not curfew and streets is almost empty in the late evening and night. It's simply because basically there is no places where people can go - everything is closed, except essential shops. Also, there is winter outside the window, so probably there is not much what you can do on cold night outside.
And I'm against work hours limit for shops. When it works all day long, you can choose time to go shopping when there is less people there, for example early morning or late evening. While if it will work for few hours only, obviously there will be much more people in the shop at the same time and bigger chance to get virus.

for clarification. its a curfew to stop aimless loitering.
for people needing to work/walk their dog/ refuel their car. go to the pharmacy. they still can do.
but if your aimlessly loiitering with no purpose expect a $750 fine
if you obstruct police by being an idiot arguing over the fine. you can be fined a further $1000
if you are organising a gathering. your fine is even more.

its not $6k for just opening your front door. and being spotted

$6000 fine is unrealistic or they have set the fine to much high so no one dare to come out of house. Also these government thinks that covid 19 will be eliminated by this restriction ? What about the people dying of hunger and unemployment as if they cant go out, they could not earn their livings.

Just wow, 6000 USD is insane, who can actually afford that? I think it's alright to have some kind of punishment for people who are not following the law.. But come on, these fines are insane. You could get a new car for that...

after may and before october. governments relaxed the rules to let adults be responsible
but adults decided they wont respect personal space. so yes the cases increased and so the government had to step in again

if people respected the advice when it was advice. it would not have turned into enforced rules.
those wanting to protest 'no masks' stupidly mingled and got up close to strangers under2m for more then 15 minutes. they caused super spreader events and so the government had to step in.

if those people used their mature brains. and actually organised a socially respected protest. instead of having 5000 in a single city block, causing spread and causing more restrictions.. they could have distanced themselves 2m apart and be covering 9 city blocks. no viral spread but causing civil disruption to 9 square blocks of roads. thus maybe pressuring politicians to listen to their cries

yep a sensible protest would be to not be tightly gathering on one city block. as thats just a call to get it disbanded.
but if the protest covered 9 square blocks. its harder to disband the protest. but allows the protest to continue without harming others.

if you think you should protest the restrictions by rubbing shoulder with strangers. your an idiot.
be smart. protest in a way that wont affect others but will cause the civil disruption to achieve some pressure.
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a 'million people march' should not be down one road. it should be spread out to take over hundreds of roads. that spaced out protest will cause more disruption. without causing harm

Well what can we expect, the governments are using this whole pandemic as a way to show what dictatorship can be. But on another side, we can't deny that the virus is getting newer and tougher strains so we gotta fight that as well. Lockdown isn't the solution. We should now hope for the arrived vaccines that have been officially declared by many countries and use them.

I wish people in 1st world countries could step up and end this tyrannical bs. Where is your freedom? As an adult, you can determine what is best for you and your family without the government ordering you to do things.

In my country, there will be fines if you reject vaccination. Yes, injecting permanent stuff in your body is now government business.

$6000 is worth a fortune for us here, but with 40 k already contracted from COVID they should really implemented it, they are not the only country that does that, and it's only a curfew not a lock down or a total lock down, they can still move in a free hour, this lockdown will be over once Vaccination roll over in every country.

Organize mass disobedience..

Tyranny is a much greater threat then this stupid cold..

Do not obey!!

Ever heard "Where there is smoke, there is fire"?  Smoke can't burn anyone.

The people moving around late at night are usually going to or coming from "illegal" gatherings.  


You can still move around at night if you have a valid reason. 

They did mention it just being Quebeq and they're normally a state in Canada that stands out a bit as being different from the rest (eg they speak French more according to what I've experienced). You can only have a country that isn't authoritarian if the population is low (3-10million) otherwise someone's going to feel disenfranchised with how a government acts). Corruption also seems lower for smaller countries too (eg the nordics and new Zealand v Germany, the Netherlands and the UK).

Canadians finish partying before 5am?

Exactly, if the curfew helps then why violate it then right? The real bullshit here is that people see this as a violation of their rights when they really don't have one. I hate the fact that the public is ignorant, they hate the virus but at the same time they hate the measures that are being put to mitigate infection, I swear to anyone's God, the reason that we will become extinct as human race is our ignorance. To think that we are higher beings than animals.

the virus has no eyes or brain or legs. laws are not made for the virus. they are made for the people.
the people spread the virus

if a sick person stayed in bed. thats where the virus would be, in bed.
if sick people get out of bed and go to a nearby party. that is where the virus would be, at the party

dont blame the virus or try to understand the virus features. understand the humans incubating the virus but deciding to spread it by mingling.

the restrictions have helped limit peoples social spreading activities by day. but its PEOPLE that decide to go out at night and go to house parties.
its people afraid to socialise in daylight but stupidly want to socialise at night that is causing more covid hotspots at night venues.

so if your going to a house party. and the police find you there. then take responsibility and pay the damn fine.

the virus doesnt have a brain. its not plotting/planning anything. its just a lot of nasty bad biological code that spreads due to the flaws of humans.
yes when people are sick. they try to seek comfort. this is a human flaw of the human mind wanting to get a hug.
the virus didnt plot to cause a person to suddenly want to hug people. the virus had no brain/instincts/motivation. it was purely the humans that decide when they are sick to get out of bed and seek comfort from others.

if you are still planning to go to house parties. that is not the viruses fault nor the governments fault. that is your human decision to ignore best advice.
so take responsibilities for your actions

I'm not sure I understand what is accomplished by this?  Governments are taking these insane measures way too lightly in my opinion and people are way too willing to go along with it.  Typically when things start going so wrong in one direction it takes a pretty big event to set things back in the right direction.  With how things have been going, I really don't want to be near whatever that event is when it occurs. 

No, it does not. At least, not directly. The theory is that people will be prevented from partying, because of the curfew.
But by instating a curfew, the same activities are going to be compressed into fewer hours, which increased the chances of transmission.
Canada is run by authoritarian neo-marxists, so don't expect them to think deeply. You just have have to shut up and obey.