Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on February 27, 2022, 03:32:20 AM

Quote from: Silberman on February 26, 2022, 12:55:40 PM

let us hope that Canadians have their eyes open and decide to change the people at the head of the government as this is simply unacceptable, as long as a protest is peaceful people should have the right to express their opinion without being afraid of suffering violence from the government, and even if they are not being hit by police offers directly, the fact they are freezing the accounts of those that are protesting is an act of violence no matter how we look at it.

Well, one thing I know the government would do for sure is to try anyways possible to stop people from protesting. When there is a protest, there are two options and it’s either going to be that the government agrees to what the protesters are saying or they disagree to it. And one thing they know for sure is that if they should disagree to the wants of the protesters, then the protest continues until they either agree to it or do something to stop the protest from moving forward.

So, the government has done what they feel is best to stop further protest, and in this case Bitcoin would be the only option for the protesters to circumvent whatever obstacle the government has laid.

And then the governments wonder why bitcoin is becoming more and more popular everyday, if we were talking about a criminal organization then I think people will accept the fact that the government could freeze those accounts and even confiscate the money, but when we are talking about a simple protest and yet they decided to do something like this then they are leaving to the people no other option but to find alternatives they do not control to obtain the freedom they cannot get with the fiat system.

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What is it that truckers want to get out of this? No mandates? So, what's next, asking USA to lift theirs as well? This is for the truckers that go to USA, and there is a mandate on that side as well so that means if they go to USA, then they can't move on, need to wait, by the USA side.

Let’s realize that this is a political power grab by the conservatives, truckers are mainly conservatives as well if you look their stances, and I do not care what the polls are showing right now, Justin is doing the right thing. It is idiotic to ask for a mandate to be lifted for one profession, you either lift it for the whole nation or lift it for nobody. I am VERY against lifting it for truckers, that is unfair and unjust.

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Quote from: Silberman on February 26, 2022, 12:55:40 PM

let us hope that Canadians have their eyes open and decide to change the people at the head of the government as this is simply unacceptable, as long as a protest is peaceful people should have the right to express their opinion without being afraid of suffering violence from the government, and even if they are not being hit by police offers directly, the fact they are freezing the accounts of those that are protesting is an act of violence no matter how we look at it.

Considering that truckers are wrong and people in Canada ignore them and find them mockery, I would assume that they won't.

The reality is that A) USA put the vaccination mandate before Canada so even if Canada allowed these truckers to be non-vaccinated without a problem, they still would need to get it in order to cross borders, and B) They couldn't show proof of where the money would be spent, and it was blocked because of it (aka the same thing done to EVERY funding, literally every single one).

I could easily say that truckers are wrong, they are aware that they are wrong, government knows they are aware they are wrong and all of this is just a joke. Do not tell me that something that is already banned from american side, and a funding page that doesn't tell what the money will go for is a right way to actually protest because I would just laugh at you.

If USA didn't mandate it, and if Truckers showed proof of where the money would go, just like everyone else has to, then none of this would happen.

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I read in passing that Trudeau has backed off. Only saw the vid where he's basically asking everyone to sort of "forgive and forget". Again showed how spineless he is. He can't take valid criticisms and resorted to authoritarian actions and then we he realized people are not giving up, he folded. Such a pussy.

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. Good thing that they switched to cryptocurrency later.

I saw a lot of people on social media who were left fuming following GoFundMe’s decision to block the donations that were being made on their platform.

I think that people are forgetting GoFundMe is not a decentralized platform like Bitcoin, so the government can control them to do as it (government) wishes. That will even be their fate if they choose to make use of centralized cryptocurrency exchanges.

Just like Jesse Powell has warned recently, people should avoid CEX, the government controls all these exchanges, stick with decentralized exchanges/non-custodial exchanges if you don’t want to find yourself in a situation like this where the government is able to freeze your account and restrict you access to it.

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This protector of humanity and democracy country are so much concern about the freedom of speech and right of others countries? They are very concern about the people of Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan but they do not want to give that freedom to their own people. This two faces so called democratic countries leader should be perish from this world.

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Quote from: Silberman on February 26, 2022, 12:55:40 PM

let us hope that Canadians have their eyes open and decide to change the people at the head of the government as this is simply unacceptable, as long as a protest is peaceful people should have the right to express their opinion without being afraid of suffering violence from the government, and even if they are not being hit by police offers directly, the fact they are freezing the accounts of those that are protesting is an act of violence no matter how we look at it.

Well, one thing I know the government would do for sure is to try anyways possible to stop people from protesting. When there is a protest, there are two options and it’s either going to be that the government agrees to what the protesters are saying or they disagree to it. And one thing they know for sure is that if they should disagree to the wants of the protesters, then the protest continues until they either agree to it or do something to stop the protest from moving forward.

So, the government has done what they feel is best to stop further protest, and in this case Bitcoin would be the only option for the protesters to circumvent whatever obstacle the government has laid.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 22, 2022, 10:36:00 PM

All this is having a negative impact on the popularity of Turd-eau. The latest poll by Mainstreet Research (February 2022) has the Conservative Party of Canada leading the Liberal Party of Canada by more than 8 points. The replacement of Erin O'Toole by Candice Bergen seems to have helped the CPC. Another party that is allied to Turd-eau, the New Democratic Party has also seen it's popularity plummeting. Their support is now less than 15% compared to the 18% they got during the federal elections.

Then let us hope that Canadians have their eyes open and decide to change the people at the head of the government as this is simply unacceptable, as long as a protest is peaceful people should have the right to express their opinion without being afraid of suffering violence from the government, and even if they are not being hit by police offers directly, the fact they are freezing the accounts of those that are protesting is an act of violence no matter how we look at it.

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All this is having a negative impact on the popularity of Turd-eau. The latest poll by Mainstreet Research (February 2022) has the Conservative Party of Canada leading the Liberal Party of Canada by more than 8 points. The replacement of Erin O'Toole by Candice Bergen seems to have helped the CPC. Another party that is allied to Turd-eau, the New Democratic Party has also seen it's popularity plummeting. Their support is now less than 15% compared to the 18% they got during the federal elections.

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Quote from: Silberman on February 22, 2022, 04:21:24 PM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on February 21, 2022, 06:18:25 AM

Quote from: darewaller on February 19, 2022, 03:09:52 PM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on February 19, 2022, 01:22:05 AM

They are not “scared” of the vaccine. They are concerned because vaccine mandates are unconstitutional. What right does the government have to tell its citizens where, and where not to go because someone did, or didn’t take a vaccine?

If you consider that as a problem, realize that you have been doing what the government tells you for a long time now. It may not be as clear as murder for example, of course it is not, but it is the government that tells us that we can't murder anyone, and we agreed, and since then anyone who murders anyone have been jailed, that is literally the government that decided it with the law and the cops who followed that law and caught murderers and judges who jailed those murderers as well. I understand that you may think that it is wildly different, a murderer and an anti-vaccine person is not the same in your mind, and the hurt they do is only to themselves if they get sick and die.

However, you just accepted that government can make decisions and can make you do something which is go to jail, even if you do not want to, that means government always had power over people under the laws, so if you do not follow the law, then government can seize your assets and even jail you. Not a new thing.

There was nothing in what you posted that debated vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional, except that you’re saying that it’s OK for the government force anything on you even if it means breaking the constitution? OK, that’s you, but the truckers are people who are not like you.

I agree, some level of freedom is necessary to have a healthy society and forcing people to comply in this manner is simply not correct, personally I did took the vaccine but it really bothers me that those that after listening to the facts decide to take a different posture now are being used as scapegoats by the government and the population at large, people should have the right of self-determination and the right to protest against the government in a peaceful way, if those two are taken away then we can say they are living under a tyrannic rule.

It wont really be that democratic already if those things would be taken away but im not really that against on some certain situations or conditions on which government would really be making out some changes

as long it wont be totally able to remove the rights of its citizens on taking up their own decisions but there would really be some limitations and exclusions i would say on which they will really be implying on.
You could really please someone or would totally get criticisms as per decisions that had been made which is expected.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on February 21, 2022, 06:18:25 AM

Quote from: darewaller on February 19, 2022, 03:09:52 PM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on February 19, 2022, 01:22:05 AM

They are not “scared” of the vaccine. They are concerned because vaccine mandates are unconstitutional. What right does the government have to tell its citizens where, and where not to go because someone did, or didn’t take a vaccine?

If you consider that as a problem, realize that you have been doing what the government tells you for a long time now. It may not be as clear as murder for example, of course it is not, but it is the government that tells us that we can't murder anyone, and we agreed, and since then anyone who murders anyone have been jailed, that is literally the government that decided it with the law and the cops who followed that law and caught murderers and judges who jailed those murderers as well. I understand that you may think that it is wildly different, a murderer and an anti-vaccine person is not the same in your mind, and the hurt they do is only to themselves if they get sick and die.

However, you just accepted that government can make decisions and can make you do something which is go to jail, even if you do not want to, that means government always had power over people under the laws, so if you do not follow the law, then government can seize your assets and even jail you. Not a new thing.

There was nothing in what you posted that debated vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional, except that you’re saying that it’s OK for the government force anything on you even if it means breaking the constitution? OK, that’s you, but the truckers are people who are not like you.

I agree, some level of freedom is necessary to have a healthy society and forcing people to comply in this manner is simply not correct, personally I did took the vaccine but it really bothers me that those that after listening to the facts decide to take a different posture now are being used as scapegoats by the government and the population at large, people should have the right of self-determination and the right to protest against the government in a peaceful way, if those two are taken away then we can say they are living under a tyrannic rule.

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on February 22, 2022, 02:19:15 PM

Like Canada like Nigeria. The same freezing of bank accounts happened to Nigeria protesters in October 2020 when dissatisfied Nigerians took to the streets and called for an end to police brutality tagged #endsars. The Godwin Emefiele led Central Bank of Nigeria acted on instructions from the president to freeze accounts of protesters and those who were involved in cryptos. Now, Canada wants to go that way too and that's a shame for a country that prides herself as one of the upward thinking and progressive countries. Quiet alright we know that Nigeria is a poor third world country and we can understand her backwardness and premitive way of doing things. But what about Canada? Must she go the way of Nigeria?

Not totally on going the same way of Nigeria yet this would really be one of the most common way on where government could impose their power and decisions on different aspects or sections
on which it do really sucks that they could really abuse it out according into their likes which it isnt surprising for them to do so.As long you have done something which is out of their interest
or totally opposing on what they do like then for sure you would be facing up the same problem.So its not surprising for this kind of condition.

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Like Canada like Nigeria. The same freezing of bank accounts happened to Nigeria protesters in October 2020 when dissatisfied Nigerians took to the streets and called for an end to police brutality tagged #endsars. The Godwin Emefiele led Central Bank of Nigeria acted on instructions from the president to freeze accounts of protesters and those who were involved in cryptos. Now, Canada wants to go that way too and that's a shame for a country that prides herself as one of the upward thinking and progressive countries. Quiet alright we know that Nigeria is a poor third world country and we can understand her backwardness and premitive way of doing things. But what about Canada? Must she go the way of Nigeria?

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on February 21, 2022, 06:18:25 AM

There was nothing in what you posted that debated vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional, except that you’re saying that it’s OK for the government force anything on you even if it means breaking the constitution? OK, that’s you, but the truckers are people who are not like you.

I am not saying that government should be mandating anything, all I am saying is that a governments function is to keep the nation civilized, and would you want people who murder others walk freely? You wouldn't, you would want them to be caught by the cops and thrown in jail. By the same logic, government thinks that these people are out there potentially causing others to die, or themselves to die and they want to stop them.

I am not saying they are right or wrong, I am just trying to show people the situation. You may agree or disagree with both sides, just know the angle that they are taking. You can see that Canada is saying these people are dangerous to the public, that is what they are saying, and you expect them to let them protest? I mean that is like asking government to step aside for an ISIS protest, because it is their freedom. You may agree or disagree on governments stance, but just understand WHY they are doing it. That's all.

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The situation in Canada right now is alarming. How can the government use all these drastic measures against protesters? Freezing Bank accounts or retirement funds seems more like extortion than living in a free country. It is one thing to agree or disagree with the truckers, going as hard against them as Trudeau is doing is wrong. Also Trudeau seems to change his mind about truckers quite fast. Last year he was praising them as the backbone of the economy during the covid crisis. It was the truckers that made sure all the supermarkets were stocked and supply chain didn't collapse. I hope they can find some compromise and don't make it worse. Of course the government is in the stronger position and can apply all types of pressure. But us this really necessary? I don't think so.

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As for the situation in Canada, I don't think the important part is that the protesters got support in BTC. But speaking in this vein, then the advantage of cryptocurrencies is certainly on the face, since they are very difficult to limit. Why do I say hard to limit, because there are still tools that can make for example a BTC donation useless. For example, protesters received BTC, but they won’t be able to spend it, because BTC can’t buy food, clothes or gasoline, well, what is needed for support. Of course, you can exchange BTC for fiat money, well, then again it turns out to be a problem since the accounts are blocked. All that remains is illegal measures, which is also not entirely correct from the point of view of defending one's legal rights. And in general, I think that this whole story in Canada is too strange and its real purpose is not yet clear. Of course, it would be nice if BTC could be used to make purchases, but as we know, if the authorities impose restrictions, it turns out that BTC does not make much sense in this case either.

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Quote from: avikz on February 16, 2022, 06:40:42 AM

It's very hard to believe that a progressive country like Canada has taken such a drastic step like an authoritarian country. Peaceful protests comes under human rights. I didn't hear any news of violence during the trucker's protest. So it's surprising that Canadian government has decided to freeze the bank account of the protesters.

But that's where we can clearly see the benefits of bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency. Your money stays with you and no third party has control over it. That should be the norm.

It quit disappointing that a First World Nation like Canada is taking such authoritarian step. Such moves can be easily seen in Africa, Asia and other autocratically governed nation. Its a shame that a nation that preachers and expands the gospel of respect for human right is now the architect of human right violation.

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Quote from: darewaller on February 19, 2022, 03:09:52 PM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on February 19, 2022, 01:22:05 AM

They are not “scared” of the vaccine. They are concerned because vaccine mandates are unconstitutional. What right does the government have to tell its citizens where, and where not to go because someone did, or didn’t take a vaccine?

If you consider that as a problem, realize that you have been doing what the government tells you for a long time now. It may not be as clear as murder for example, of course it is not, but it is the government that tells us that we can't murder anyone, and we agreed, and since then anyone who murders anyone have been jailed, that is literally the government that decided it with the law and the cops who followed that law and caught murderers and judges who jailed those murderers as well. I understand that you may think that it is wildly different, a murderer and an anti-vaccine person is not the same in your mind, and the hurt they do is only to themselves if they get sick and die.

However, you just accepted that government can make decisions and can make you do something which is go to jail, even if you do not want to, that means government always had power over people under the laws, so if you do not follow the law, then government can seize your assets and even jail you. Not a new thing.

There was nothing in what you posted that debated vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional, except that you’re saying that it’s OK for the government force anything on you even if it means breaking the constitution? OK, that’s you, but the truckers are people who are not like you.

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Quote from: macson on February 19, 2022, 07:39:34 AM

Quote from: aysg76 on February 16, 2022, 05:29:11 AM

So some of you might be aware about the ongoing truckers protest in Canada or so called Freedom Convoy against the fully vaccinated measures by Justin Trudeau.The truckers are protesting against this and beleive it to be monopoly and have put restrictions to their trade between the busy American-Canadian border Ambassadors Bridge.They need to be Fully vaccinated or they have to go through 14 days quarantine period which is what the protest are going for.

https://i.imgur.com/1GJWcLN.jpg

i am a person who supports vaccination but does not support mandatory vaccination, especially to the point of having to close the bank accounts of all truck drivers! it's really inhumane. hopefully bitcoin adoption can happen quickly, so people can live free from authoritarian governments.

Yes, vaccination can be advised. Whether to take the shot or not needs to be decided by the user and not by the government. The democracy have failed in Canada. It is a country where the President Justin Trudeau is highly supportive to the people in all ups and down. Now with this issue he have been under hatred. This can affect his political life. Canada is at 5th position among the list of democratic country, but the same taking control of users account is against democratic rule.

Nothing surprises me on which there would be particular u-turns which would totally oppose on what kind of government they are running in.Even if its a democratic one but decisions on locking out or blocking something

according into their likes or shall we say some sort of band-aid solution just for them to enforce such rule or mandatory application then these kind of decisions were never been new.
Even into the country which i do live in does mandate out vaccination on which to those people who chose not to do so will really be having a hard time on acquiring those common
services in everyday living which do really sucks.

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Quote from: macson on February 19, 2022, 07:39:34 AM

Quote from: aysg76 on February 16, 2022, 05:29:11 AM

So some of you might be aware about the ongoing truckers protest in Canada or so called Freedom Convoy against the fully vaccinated measures by Justin Trudeau.The truckers are protesting against this and beleive it to be monopoly and have put restrictions to their trade between the busy American-Canadian border Ambassadors Bridge.They need to be Fully vaccinated or they have to go through 14 days quarantine period which is what the protest are going for.

https://i.imgur.com/1GJWcLN.jpg

i am a person who supports vaccination but does not support mandatory vaccination, especially to the point of having to close the bank accounts of all truck drivers! it's really inhumane. hopefully bitcoin adoption can happen quickly, so people can live free from authoritarian governments.

Yes, vaccination can be advised. Whether to take the shot or not needs to be decided by the user and not by the government. The democracy have failed in Canada. It is a country where the President Justin Trudeau is highly supportive to the people in all ups and down. Now with this issue he have been under hatred. This can affect his political life. Canada is at 5th position among the list of democratic country, but the same taking control of users account is against democratic rule.

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