Topic: [CANN]Cannabis Coin Pre-Mine *BE WARNED* - page 2. (Read 21003 times)

bumping again???


why?... in case we missed it in the 10 other threads you spammed this shit in?  so we can drown in it in case we came up for air investigating into your shady practices?

seriously man, will you ever stop?

More facts.

Bumping the facts.

Well, you make a good point that we did advertise NWGT as a potential userbase for CCN.  Unfortunately, due to things that had nothing to do with Cannacoin there was already a lot of bad blood and drama and it unfolded around the time we were adding tipping features to NWGT.

However, you don't know the facts about how many NWGT supporters we did have and continue to have behind us.  So, it's not a lie.

Don't take the words of a few pissed-off folks that were banned from NWGT before this all started as the general opinion of the entire group.

If we're gonna bring out "medical patients", since that's clearly what all this is about anyway, right, how is that any different than what CCN did in its early days.

I recall a lot of "medical patients" at NWGT coming out and condemning the representations you made early on that CCN was backed by the 1000s of Users of NWGT who were ready, willing and able to use and transact with CCN.  Based on that news, CCN saw some early success and a spike rise in price.

That "representation" turned out to be a pretty fantastic lie too, didn't it?  I'd bet that less than 5% of the Users at NWGT (at the time) had ever even heard of crypto enough to know what CCN was all about.  So CCN's statements that it had a community backing was, in fact, a lie.  People invested based on that lie, people made money based on that lie and I'm sure you and the other Devs profited from that lie, either in sales of CCN or growth in CCN supporters......SO SCANDALOUS!!  

When you shoved the tipping feature down NWGT Users' throats, many of them spoke out.  Many of them wanted NOTHING TO DO WITH CCN, and felt you were "selling them out" to make a buck!  Many of the more vocal contributors of that community had dissented, had expressed themselves only to be banned from NWGT, a place they helped grow through their contributions.  

Some of them even went so far as to come to this shit-hole of a forum to spread news and warn others of your less-than professional conduct.  Things start getting dicey at around the 18th or 19th page when Lemonhoko starts re-hashing his side of the story  -- guess what happened to that ANN thread -- yep, you guessed it, closed and then replaced with a self-moderated one.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=482425.360    


Those vocal dissenters took many other vocal contributors with them in the process.    As a result, you polarized your own precious community, just as you are doing here with the larger cannibis-crypto community.

Well done!

...but these are your plans, correct?  So, why is that hot-air?  Are you suggesting that this won't happen?  I should ignore all of your posts about this "switch" on Nov 1?



Never hyped CCN, really?  So CCN's products and services won't revolutionize the cannbis-crypto industry and you don't have any exciting news to come?  Your CCN products won't prove that you're "Leaders" in this industry?  Okay, great, I suppose I was duped then.


That's a conclusion you are so confident in drawing and are obviously shoving that message down all our throats.

BTW - Potcoin used a DEV's own sick child to raise money for something -- have you sniffed around there to make sure Russell didn't just pocket those donations?



Please, I'm asking YOU to take a step back and stop posting.  You've made your point already, now you guys just sound ridiculous.  Jump in another coin's forum (MAryJane Coin - plenty to be suspicious about there -- Dopecoin, Sativacoin, Ganjacoin, THCoin and all the others) -- sniff them out, audit them, report on them, police the industry for us all since that's what you want to do; otherwise, with each and every one of your "gotta have the last word" posts, you make it more and more obvious that you've targeted only CANN.


Seriously man, the cat's out of the bag, quit wasting time and energy on this and let the people come to their own conclusions.  God, no one will ever say they weren't warned and we all have you and James to thank, but enough already!!  

Focus your attentions on repairing the damage you've done to CCN and think about how to make your transition on Nov 1 a successful one, or will that not happen 'cause it's just "hot-air"?

    

But since no Cannashares have been issued on the blockchain and Cannacoin is still just a protocol at the moment, what you are saying is hot-air.

Nobody is telling you to buy CCN.  We've never hyped CCN ever or told anyone to buy CCN.  Go look at the CannabisCoin thread prior to Oct 20th and then decide who is the one creating false expectations.  It's a get-rich-quick scheme that uses "medical patients" and literally has a poster-child on the main website.

Take a step back and open your eyes.

File a lawsuit? You're the guy chatting on about slander and libel cases.

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, help the dev sue these evil people destroying his reputation.

Go and ask if he wants to sue. Something tells me he won't be interested.

you do know -- none of you - none of us -would be selected as a jury, right?  


In a case, D9 would say something like, ". . . an issue was brought up that I was not fully aware of, or that I had honestly forgotten about.  At the time, we set coins aside to be redeemed, many of them were and an even greater number were not. These coins were discovered by the community, I performed the actions that were requested (although I was not obligated to do so).  I took steps to rectify the perceived-fraud.  For sound business reasons, I decided to keep 5% of those unclaimed funds for marketing / promotion / give-aways to do X-Y-Z with it, here's what we did.  "  

a jury of non-crypto laymen would likely be satisfied that this did not amount to any "fraud" and given we're talking about something worth pennies, I'd be surprised if the judge doesn't throw this out of his/her court without laughing and possibly even reprimanding the attorneys for bringing a frivolous lawsuit!

if you feel so strongly that a fraud has been perpetrated here, please, by all means, embarrass yourself and do it - file a lawsuit.


As for D9, the more I think about it, the more I'm feeling strongly that he'd have more of a case against Patrick and James for libel than (i) they would against this new action group, or (ii) they would against D9 claiming fraud.


So please, let's all simmer down now.

As for Tokyopotato:


You did much more that just put "your credibility on the line", you dragged CCN and its supporters with you.  If you want CCN to be treated as "CannaShares" and "investors" to be treated as "shareholders", and if the convo is now moving towards what "legal / business remedies" would be available, as shareholders, we could demand that you step down for flagrantly putting the good name of CCN into disrepute during your "personal" quests for transparency from other coins / projects in the industry.

 

Ah, the technicality of premine/postmine. Fortunately round here we're not fooled by lawyer-speak, and he won't be getting off.

No effort was made to allow miners to claim these newly discovered coins, because the dev knew they weren't going to be claimed.

So I reckon the jury would see it my way. He lied, got caught, and tried to cover it up.

"I forgot" is probably the most likely defense.


Technically, they did come from the pre-mine, and their distribution was not accounted for.


I never directly accused D9 of fraud, those were other people's words, not mine.


Point taken.

We certainly put our credibility on the line and took the brunt of the collateral damage by presenting the information for people.

precisely, lies upon lies.

Cool story bro.. next time add more Dragons !

I don't suppose your saying all that because you've been exposed huh ? naaaaw that is crazy huh ? not at Bitcointalk the land of 1,000+ "legit" coins LOL

any number of possible defenses are available....the one, which I'm sure none of you "Crypto-people" would accept is, this was an "oversight".  Given everything else that was going on and all his other efforts, traveling, meeting, doing PR, training, etc . . . he didn't think about it after wallets were set aside for payouts to miners under the previous algos.  He was called out in the middle of the first "Event" - a busy time, no doubt, then burned the coins, but apparently not enough of them to satisfy some people.

Technically, these coins didn't come from a "pre-mine" per se, did they?  They were the result of coins left over from an algo-switch.  Not exactly "lies", but I digress.

I won't get into everything that could be brought up to defend a claim for libel.  Facts were presented, coins were burned and yet the libel of "scam artist", "fraud", "thief" still continued.  The 7 million or so coins still out there.....maybe there are very good business reasons to use them for adoption / promotion purposes.  5% for marketing isn't all that bad.  

A jury will likely be satisfied that an issue was presented and dealt with accordingly.  D9's claim for libel would come after all of that -- i.e. dragging CANN and D9 through the mud after the facts and the burning coins.  It's the speculative conclusions drawn by DEVs of other projects that makes the case for libel.

In a "court of law" everything would come out - including the information and details on character of those crying "wolf".  As an attorney defending D9, you would bet your ass they'd subpoena those members of NWGT (i.e. Lemonkoko, or whatever his name was) to discuss the not-so great experiences they've had dealing with CCN people (i.e. claims of outright fraud, theft, threats, releasing private information about their members' families and underage children -- violating their own privacy policies, the list goes on. . . )

In the end, rest assured that a jury in a libel case such as this would likely be filled by rednecks who know little to nothing about cryptos or this shit-slinging forum.  

Again, I urge James and Tokyopotato to stop this nonsense for the good of CCN.  If you wish to continue, fine, but please start using a different alias when representing CCN....please do something to fix the damage your actions have done to CCN's good name.  

 

Actually, the dev has no case, he lied about the premine. He said all 21 million were distributed to miners, which we now know was BS. When he was pulled up on it he said he didn't know whose wallets they were, but would check. Then he reveals they might be from the unclaimed premine, having made no mention of unclaimed coins before. Lo and behold, they ARE from the premine, but rather than alert the mining community that there are still 17 million coins waiting to be swapped over, he quickly burns them instead.

How's that gonna look in a court of law?

I hate to say it Tokyopotato, 'cause I am "still" a supporter of CCN's projects (not you or James as individuals), but you're getting the negative publicity you deserve and should have seen coming.

Another "action group" is calling you out for your less than professional conduct as DEVs.  Their mission is to weed child-like trolling behavior from the crypto-community.  I for one applaud them and don't care who's behind it.  You are convinced its CANN supporters, but have no evidence for jumping to this conclusion -- again, just sheer speculation.  Showing the blockchains for CANN may have been "facts" but your incessant cries for scam, lies, corruption and fraud of another DEV was speculation.  You are not the judge and the jury by any means.


Anyone interested in some lengthy back and forth on the CCN subreddit by a concerned investor (me), check out:

http://www.reddit.com/r/cannacoin/comments/2k19gz/seriously_guys_please_stop/


The exchange there sums up how poorly things were handled and how unnecessary it was for "CCN" to be dragged into this mess.

If James and Patrick felt so strongly about something, that's fine, and they should have done what this group had done and acted anonymously FOR THE SAKE OF CCN.  They didn't and because they represent a much larger CCN and NWGT community, their actions unwittingly reflect poorly on more than just them as individuals.  As an investor, a shareholder in their development project, I am very upset! 

I've been embarrassed and ashamed to be a CCN supporter, but I believe in the projects and won't jump ship.  I will also not blindly defend nor embrace childish behavior of those at the helm.  I have been a very vocal dissenter of their childish behavior.

I've urged James and Patrick to stop this nonsense.  I am a practicing attorney and know a thing or two about libel/slander.  Clearly James and Patrick don't know the definitions because quite frankly D9 would have a strong case against them.  Facts may have been presented, but the conclusions were drawn based on pure speculation. 

James / Patrick (especially you Tokyopotato), for the love of all things IRIE, stop!.  Consider representing CCN under a new alias....."Tokyopotato" has forever tarnished any good will CCN still has left and it's time to stop the bleeding!

Cool, looking forward to it

All the details will be clearly listed for you to reference on the block explorer, without a doubt.

Good man! 

A picture is not evidence, you should also give links to certain parts of the block chain so people can see for themselves what is going on. You can't expect people to believe you, you are a random person on the internet. Especially when what you are doing is not in their best interest. Also I myself can't stand these infographics, I'd just like a normal explanation with words.