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Quote from: yayayo on November 21, 2016, 08:08:27 PM

Moving off-topic posts and deleting spam is not censorship.

You think that is very clever. SegWit is the alt. But since your beloved G.Max wants to own Bitcoin, you consider it 'Bitcoin' and move all the other topics to never-never land. And then you pretend it is not censorship. So clever. Didn't fool anyone.

SegWit is fucking garbage that does little at all to increase throughput. It's only true reason for being is to get the network ready for the proprietary side chain bullshit called Lightning Once you force SegWit on people pretending to address throughput, you'll be in a perfect position with a crippled Bitcoin having no ability to get beyond 5 tps, and your proprietary network to handle all the txs with a small fee going to core investors. How could miners be so dumb to get sucked into this?

Blockstream is the biggest scam that every happened.

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Quote from: DGulari on November 21, 2016, 07:49:01 PM

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Blockstream can only win this battle via extreme censorship.

Roger Ver is it you? Cheesy

Hilarious to read the mix of even more escalating FUD, professional victim playing and personal insults...

The whole argument of Ver centers around an imaginary censorship accusation, when an army of first XTCoin, then ClassicCoin and now UnlimitedCoin trolls completely derailed all Bitcoin discussion by engaging in Hearn-style "advertising". In fact, Ver has zero technological argument against SegWit. Moderation of off-topic and pure propaganda posts was completely necessary to allow the majority to continue to use the forum. In fact, moderation was highly reluctant considering the repetitive spamming by altcoin trolls. If you ask me, permabans should have been handed out in quite a few occasions. XTCoin, ClassicCoin and UnlimitedCoin have their own place for discussion after all. Moving off-topic posts and deleting spam is not censorship.

At least you indirectly admit that Ver will not succeed with his narcissistic and outright dangerous approach...

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Quote from: calkob on November 21, 2016, 04:44:43 PM

Why not go ahead and fork it then and see how many people you can get to mine your BU Alt Huh

Why not go ahead and fork it then and see how many people you can get to mine your SegWit Alt Huh

Let's face it, SegWit is the alt. BU is just one very small tweak to blocksize. SegWit is a whole different coin/system and it is full of attack vectors and other bullshit to make Blockstream take over the blockchain and get fees outside of mining.

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Quote from: yayayo on November 21, 2016, 06:51:43 PM

So you're a UnlimitedCoin troll, repeating disinformation a thousand times in the hope it will become truth. Blockstream control is a pure myth and Gregory Maxwell is a very smart guy who is contributing a lot in terms of privacy and security - features that are essential for Bitcoin to remain a truly decentralized currency.

You a such a punk-assed pussy. You are a BlockStreamCoin troll.

None of the information I published is 'disinformation'. Just because you don't agree with something - you call it disinformation. Blockstream is gunning to take control via Lightning. They are punk assed bitches just like you. Saying it is a 'pure myth' doesn't make it a myth.

"G Maxwell is a very smart guy" - you sounds like you can't wait to suck his dick again.

'truly decentralized'? lolololololololol. Bitcoin hasn't been decentralized since G.Max stood up and took control of those few timid Chinese miners via his lies and BS about scaling. Blockstream has done everything imaginable to remove decentralization and take control to make their SegWitCoin come true.

You are the shill my friend. The only way you get your word out there is because the mods keep deleting posts like mine. If you didn't have that advantage, you'd lose the argument 100:1.

Blockstream can only win this battle via extreme censorship.

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Quote from: kiklo on November 21, 2016, 06:36:10 PM

You don't actually believe the Crap coin know as BTC is worth over $700 ?

Why yes. Yes I do. Perhaps you have a fundamental misapprehension about the value of currency.

As long as I can quickly and easily surrender 1 of my BTC, and receive $700 USD for it, then $700 is what it is worth. On a website devoted to magic internet money as a topic, I wouldn't think I would need to explain this.

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no not really as everyone is different that is wont makes the world work
if everyone agreed with each other then there be no debate meaning no improvement and people will stop trying to prove
they are right so making a better future for everyone.

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Everyone getting along would likely result in nothing changing to be honest; forcing people to change something that is fine and then whining about why everyone else can't follow through with their ideas isn't getting people to "all just get along". A "just get along" scenario results in people being mad that everyone else aren't going their way.

Discussions are healthy. Debates are healthy. Competition is healthy. Blind agreement is not.

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Quote from: DGulari on November 20, 2016, 12:48:28 PM

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Not forking is stupid and dangerous. Please fork now. BitcoinA and BitcoinB. Next year, we will have certainty as to which system is better. We've been guessing why the 'other' chain is going to fail for years now. We need to stop arguing about it and do the experiment. Fork the chain now. No more stupid control by GMaxwell/Blockstream. This is precisely what Bitcoin was supposed to prevent.

Not forking is bad.

So you're a UnlimitedCoin troll, repeating disinformation a thousand times in the hope it will become truth. Blockstream control is a pure myth and Gregory Maxwell is a very smart guy who is contributing a lot in terms of privacy and security - features that are essential for Bitcoin to remain a truly decentralized currency.

But as a Ver worshipper, you simply won't be able to realize that. The perceived dissent within the Bitcoin community is mainly a Fata Morgana, manifactured by the Andresen/Hearn/Ver-clan. Their shills and trolls spam all day long to maintain the public perception that UnlimitedCoin and the other altcoins have some meaningful support, while in fact they have not. The vast majority of the Bitcoin community is behind Core, simply because it has the best development team and has proposed the only intelligent solution to scaling Bitcoin without sacrificing decentralization.

SegWit support will soon show the real support for UnlimitedCoin: Ver and a handful of paid shills at ViaBTC.

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Quote from: calkob on November 21, 2016, 04:44:43 PM

Why not go ahead and fork it then and see how many people you can get to mine your BU Alt Huh

Because they know they will be wasting their time,
Chinese Mining Pools will not switch and neither will the Chinese Exchanges.
So you lose the high security difficulty they provide along with their markets, which keep the manipulated price insanely high.
(You don't actually believe the Crap coin know as BTC is worth over $700 ?)

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BTC= Better Trust China

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Why not go ahead and fork it then and see how many people you can get to mine your BU Alt Huh

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Quote from: DGulari on November 20, 2016, 12:48:28 PM

The way Bitcoin is supposed to work is we test both possibilities at the same time. We run an BU experiment at the same time we run a SegWit experiment. One will kick-ass, the other will fail. We don't need to sit around for 18 months arguing about why one is bad and the other is good. Instead, we just run both systems and examine the result.

It's called a 'fork'. A fork is not bad. Forks are good, necessary and important. Preventing a fork also prevents us from discovering what would happen on the other chain. We need this valuable information

You don't need to touch shit to understand that it is not edible

Other than that, what you suggest to do basically boils down to cutting a live man in half to find out what will happen. I don't think this approach would be very useful if you expect to see that poor fellow still alive after the experiment. You don't need to actually cut him in halves to find out the outcome, right? So why do you think it is impossible to evaluate what this or that "improvement" could end up with even without actually trying to "improve" something in practice?

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Everyone has their own interpretation of what is "right", not everyone agrees that one way is the best way to fix things and vice versa.

Debate is health because it forces people t consider the benefits and detractors of each potential course of action, much like how a capitalist or anarcho-capitalist system is supposed to work. The best products compete and each has to one-up the other until there is nothing left to advance.

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a fork only makes sense if one of the chains dies out almost completely and there is no doubt which all will use in the future. if we have two chains split 50/50 this will be bad and with further forks we might end up with 20/20/20/20/20. not a good idea look at the history of money. look at places with several currencies and how superior it was just having one. bad idea.

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we can't, we wont.

we are humans, we are smart and stupid at the same time.

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Re: Can't we all just get along?

Nope ,

BTC Devs need to fork to fix BTC transactions problems.

Chinese Mining Pools don't want those forks , because it would threaten their over 51% control of BTC.

Chinese are winning due to their over 51% control, don't really see them letting things change.

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Fork is not necessarily a good idea I think, but testnet could be used for that purpose. Is it still running or has it been left to death ?

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There will always be a solution found in the end. I mean we all want to make money here don't we?
Eventually we (well, the people that matter) all have to agree to pull in the sake direction.

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Quote from: DGulari on November 20, 2016, 12:48:28 PM

You guys are missing the most important aspect of Bitcoin. The scaling debate is being done by people who don't understand Satoshi or Bitcoin.

We don't have to settle which is the best path to take - either large blocks or small blocks. In fact, deciding on either and leaving the other is FREAKING DANGEROUS!!!!

The way Bitcoin is supposed to work is we test both possibilities at the same time. We run an BU experiment at the same time we run a SegWit experiment. One will kick-ass, the other will fail. We don't need to sit around for 18 months arguing about why one is bad and the other is good. Instead, we just run both systems and examine the result.

It's called a 'fork'. A fork is not bad. Forks are good, necessary and important. Preventing a fork also prevents us from discovering what would happen on the other chain. We need this valuable information.

Not forking is stupid and dangerous. Please fork now. BitcoinA and BitcoinB. Next year, we will have certainty as to which system is better. We've been guessing why the 'other' chain is going to fail for years now. We need to stop arguing about it and do the experiment. Fork the chain now. No more stupid control by GMaxwell/Blockstream. This is precisely what Bitcoin was supposed to prevent.

Not forking is bad.

You say everyone must get along, but you taking sides by bad mouthing the GMaxwell/Blockstream side? You either have very little invested

in this technology or you just do not get the risk. If a fork happens... then it would be a decision made by the people. Would you tolerate

it if banks gambled with other people's money.... Uhm, on second thought ... they are doing it... So we should attempt to be better than

them... right. Huh

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It's not just block size that's significant, there is block generation intervals as well. So lets have four forks, Oh wait there is the problem of miner localisation, so lets have some forks for geo-located miners. Then we need some knives to cut out the failing ones.

I know, lets have a whole canteen of Bitcoin blockchains with side servers as well.

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Forking = ETH/ETC like situation, we don't need another bitcoin.

You are suggesting two seperate chains of bitcoin and wait for which one will win? Take a closer look at what ETH and ETC battle have done to both. ETH still trying to get some movementum rather than usual swings while as ETC still holding some marketcap of ETH.

Split of network = split of marketcap = split of support = disaster for any coin including bitcoin.

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