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Quote from: Niya on May 03, 2018, 02:03:01 AM

1. It doesn't work properly. Sometimes it needs about 10 minutes to 'verify' it. I'm not exaggerating.?

I also experience this kind of scenario, when I do the captcha but it is always error even though it is correct. However if this happens i just usually close my btt tab then surf for news. After that it works well.

Now the solution I do is i check the Always login so that I wont need to log anymore.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 03, 2018, 08:30:18 PM

I'll tell you, I don't use Tor and when I've had to log in in the past from my PC, it has sometimes taken numerous attempts with the captcha. It's a pain in the ass, but the solution is to stay logged in. I understand that when you're managing a stable of alt accounts, all in different campaigns, it can be tiresome but there's a solution for that as well.

I always stay logged in and hadn't figured out why people were complaining... makes sense now.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 03, 2018, 08:30:18 PM

My limited knowledge of internet security keeps me from realizing the advantages of the captcha, but I think helps keep spam bots from running rampant. We had one for a while that made all these new accounts, and late at night they were making these posts advertising weird bodybuilding supplements. I reported them on a nightly basis for a while, and then suddenly they were gone. If I'm wrong--and if anyone actually reads this post--you can correct me.

In the grand scheme of things, it's a minor annoyance. If it assists Theymos in keeping bitcointalk clean, I won't bitch about it.

It doesn't stop bots running rampant but as I explained above it does add a cost for them. That might be enough to persuade some of them to go and spam somewhere else.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on May 03, 2018, 02:31:45 AM

Are you using Tor?

I'll tell you, I don't use Tor and when I've had to log in in the past from my PC, it has sometimes taken numerous attempts with the captcha. It's a pain in the ass, but the solution is to stay logged in. I understand that when you're managing a stable of alt accounts, all in different campaigns, it can be tiresome but there's a solution for that as well.

My limited knowledge of internet security keeps me from realizing the advantages of the captcha, but I think helps keep spam bots from running rampant. We had one for a while that made all these new accounts, and late at night they were making these posts advertising weird bodybuilding supplements. I reported them on a nightly basis for a while, and then suddenly they were gone. If I'm wrong--and if anyone actually reads this post--you can correct me.

In the grand scheme of things, it's a minor annoyance. If it assists Theymos in keeping bitcointalk clean, I won't bitch about it.

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Buddy, this is happen because of the server, and it really impact so far i experience this and before i complain it i first looking for in forum nor group in telegram. And i've got the answer without should make thread about this complain.

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Quote from: trplzr on May 03, 2018, 02:17:06 PM

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Sometimes it needs about 10 minutes to 'verify' it

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Why exactly does it take this eternity?(I got curious Roll Eyes

) , I imagine it was clear to you after all these answers that the problem is there.

Quote from: fokinlipat on May 03, 2018, 02:03:16 PM

If you have to spend 10 minutes solving the captcha, I guess there is some problem at your end. It hardly takes a minute for me and I am asked about 1 out of 10 times only when I log in. We need such additional requirements so as to prevent mass registrations here. Without this image captcha, one can make 1000s of accounts here in few minutes with the use of tools of burp suite.

Quote from: LoyceV on May 03, 2018, 04:35:44 AM

The captcha comes from Google, and it gets more complicate and slower to solve if your connection is less trusted. I assume OP uses Tor, and indeed, it can take very long to solve. Even worse, it can end in a timeout too.

As LoyceV already stated, it takes longer when you are using "abusive" IPs. (Tor, Free/common VPN ips.)

As to why, probably because google doesn't want to have bots registering hundreds of gmail accounts/spamming their search engine ( although the latter seems a bit far-fetched, but is something that you'll endure aswell, it will think you're sending "automated queries", ( probably because there are so many people using that one IP at the same time.))

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Sometimes it needs about 10 minutes to 'verify' it

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Why exactly does it take this eternity?(I got curious Roll Eyes

) , I imagine it was clear to you after all these answers that the problem is there.

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If you have to spend 10 minutes solving the captcha, I guess there is some problem at your end. It hardly takes a minute for me and I am asked about 1 out of 10 times only when I log in. We need such additional requirements so as to prevent mass registrations here. Without this image captcha, one can make 1000s of accounts here in few minutes with the use of tools of burp suite.

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I don't believed that the problem is about using VPN or any proxy related thing. I experienced the same recently about 1-2 times(IIRC about 2 weeks ago that started over a month.) and I understand OP here. My internet is fine and running smooth when I faced that problem. Im using my country's ISP provider. My input is correct but still having a hard time breaching the captcha thing for over 5 minutes.

Quote from: Niya on May 03, 2018, 02:03:01 AM

I'm very tired of completing a captcha to access this forum, for at least two reasons:
1. It doesn't work properly. Sometimes it needs about 10 minutes to 'verify' it. I'm not exaggerating...
2. It requires javascript and many of us don't like to get JS enabled in our browser.

Who else think captcha should be removed and maybe replaced with a better method, for example Solve Media?

The Select all images with a ***** option is the one who always faced the problem. What I did is to just solved the "Select all squares with ***** .If there are none, click skip" option although if there's currently a problem like that, the squares are taking some time to appear.

My theory is, maybe it was just a tyming that there's a problem while Im logging in because it was happened on the same time. Forum Time: 1PM to 4PM.

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Quote from: Niya on May 03, 2018, 02:03:01 AM

I'm very tired of completing a captcha to access this forum, for at least two reasons:
1. It doesn't work properly. Sometimes it needs about 10 minutes to 'verify' it. I'm not exaggerating...
2. It requires javascript and many of us don't like to get JS enabled in our browser.

Who else think captcha should be removed and maybe replaced with a better method, for example Solve Media?

Captcha prevents bots from flooding this forum with spam and protects your account against brute-force attacks. Click the "Always stay logged in" checkbox, the next time you login. I do not have this problem because I do not login every time I visit this forum. Also JavaScript less captcha is not going to work, as client side validation is easy to exploit.

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Quote from: Niya on May 03, 2018, 02:03:01 AM

Who else think captcha should be removed and maybe replaced with a better method, for example Solve Media?

I'm sure you are using VPN or TOR to access bitcointalk. If that is the case you will always face this issue with Captcha. I agree to you somehow instead of using google's captcha, more simplified custom built version can be used and won't requires complex javascript libraries without any google tracking.

However for normal users not using TOR or VPN, google's captcha is one the best at the moment and without any complaints.

You can try this:

1. In case of VPN you can try this,
- turnoff VPN
- Login to bitcointalk with checkbox "Always stay logged in" checked
- After successful login, you can turnon vpn back.

or

2. You can always "Bypass VPN for specific websites", add bitcointalk in this exception and it will go through normal proxy.

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It works for many people, and your case maybe only a minority in here. I suggest you follow loycev's suggestion, download another browser for accesing bitcointalk only and then you can tick that "always log me in" box before you log in. As simple as that.

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Maybe this is not the best verification system, but it works. I do not think that the forum now needs new changes, the merits sytem for this is enough. Although sometimes it greatly lengthens the login process

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Quote from: TryNinja on May 03, 2018, 07:02:00 AM

Solvemedia isn't going to work. Here is theymos' opinion about it:

Quote from: theymos on August 14, 2017, 08:07:29 PM

Elsewhere, someone suggested Solvemedia, but I think that all captchas based on reading text are actually easier for high-quality OCR to solve than for humans. The photo-based ones give computers a major disadvantage over humans. I don't care very much if people use services like 9kw.eu to solve the captchas, since that at least has a cost, but if a captcha can be OCRed, then they have no cost at all, making them completely useless.

If someone has other suggestions for good captcha services/libraries, let me know. I don't really like using Google products, since Google's whole business model is spying on people. Though as I mentioned, I don't have much faith in captchas based on reading mangled text.

I can add to this that all captchas are solvable by bots using captcha solve services. People in third world countries working for $0.25 an hour fed through to the bots. reCaptcha is used because it is the most expensive at roughly 10x the price of others.

reCapatcha is fine if you don't use any VPN, proxy or TOR and you don't solve many of them. I restrict myself to no more than 5 a day and only ever have to tick the 'I'm not a robot' box and don't have to solve anything.

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Quote from: TryNinja on May 03, 2018, 07:02:00 AM

Solvemedia isn't going to work. Here is theymos' opinion about it:

Quote from: theymos on August 14, 2017, 08:07:29 PM

Elsewhere, someone suggested Solvemedia, but I think that all captchas based on reading text are actually easier for high-quality OCR to solve than for humans. The photo-based ones give computers a major disadvantage over humans. I don't care very much if people use services like 9kw.eu to solve the captchas, since that at least has a cost, but if a captcha can be OCRed, then they have no cost at all, making them completely useless.

If someone has other suggestions for good captcha services/libraries, let me know. I don't really like using Google products, since Google's whole business model is spying on people. Though as I mentioned, I don't have much faith in captchas based on reading mangled text.

In this case I have found one captcha which could be interesting for forum login,and it's a relatively new one named RainCaptcha.I try it few times and it seems that it could be fairly resistant to bots.For example user get task to solve carousel or geometry captcha,I think it's more interesting than clicking pictures

There is demo version so everyone can try it here : https://raincaptcha.com/en

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Solvemedia isn't going to work. Here is theymos' opinion about it:

Quote from: theymos on August 14, 2017, 08:07:29 PM

Elsewhere, someone suggested Solvemedia, but I think that all captchas based on reading text are actually easier for high-quality OCR to solve than for humans. The photo-based ones give computers a major disadvantage over humans. I don't care very much if people use services like 9kw.eu to solve the captchas, since that at least has a cost, but if a captcha can be OCRed, then they have no cost at all, making them completely useless.

If someone has other suggestions for good captcha services/libraries, let me know. I don't really like using Google products, since Google's whole business model is spying on people. Though as I mentioned, I don't have much faith in captchas based on reading mangled text.

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Quote from: Niya on May 03, 2018, 02:03:01 AM

I'm very tired of completing a captcha to access this forum, for at least two reasons:
1. It doesn't work properly. Sometimes it needs about 10 minutes to 'verify' it. I'm not exaggerating...
2. It requires javascript and many of us don't like to get JS enabled in our browser.

Who else think captcha should be removed and maybe replaced with a better method, for example Solve Media?

I agree that would be good to add second captcha as an option for users who have problems with Google reCaptcha,I think it is technically easy to do that because some sites have two or even 3 captcha option.On the other side reCaptcha is allegedly considered the safest,so it is probably because of this the only option when logging in to the forum.

I have same problems like you,sometimes only new IP address was the solution to login to forum-try to read that threads LoyceV posted to get some solution.For me problem is just solved,maybe because I send dozens of e-mail to Google captcha support or it is something else-in 50% of cases I do not need to even solve reCaptcha-it just show me green tick and it is solved.

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I've never had a single problem with captcha on my pc or my phone. Don't you get the notification to enable JS once you get to login screen? Also, why not just check to box not to log you out every time.

Also, on the side note: I've never had this problem but lately I can't be logged in on my pc and mobile phone at the same time, always logs me out from another. Any idea why this started happening? Thanks.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on May 03, 2018, 02:31:45 AM

It’s never taken longer than 10 seconds for me. I think you have a problem with your connection, your software, or something, but it’s not the forum captcha the problem.

The captcha comes from Google, and it gets more complicate and slower to solve if your connection is less trusted. I assume OP uses Tor, and indeed, it can take very long to solve. Even worse, it can end in a timeout too.

One workaround is to tick "Always stay logged in:", and set your browser to remember cookies. If you're using Tor, you can keep a dedicated browser just for Bitcointalk and you won't have to solve the captcha anymore.
Unless Cloudflare itself serves you a captcha, I don't think there's any way around it. It's the cost of DDOS protection.

This has been discussed many times already:
"Incorrect recaptcha"
Google captcha login R U Serious?
Regarding the Google Captcha added today when logging here
google recaptcha on bitcointalk
Bitcointalk Login Captcha
(and more)

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While your 2nd concern is valid but someone who really wants to do something with BitcoinTalk they will enable their JS. I strongly suggest your internet connection to check to avoid the time issue. I never faced that sorts of issue even. Usually it takes one or two attempts that's it.

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Quote from: Niya on May 03, 2018, 02:03:01 AM

I'm very tired of completing a captcha to access this forum, for at least two reasons:
1. It doesn't work properly. Sometimes it needs about 10 minutes to 'verify' it. I'm not exaggerating...
2. It requires javascript and many of us don't like to get JS enabled in our browser.

Who else think captcha should be removed and maybe replaced with a better method, for example Solve Media?

It’s never taken longer than 10 seconds for me. I think you have a problem with your connection, your software, or something, but it’s not the forum captcha the problem.

Are you using Tor?

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