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Quote from: logansryche on July 31, 2011, 03:35:34 PM

I told you my hourly rate was 0.2152 btc/per hour and you agreed. That roughs out to $3 USD per hour. Way below what a website designer would charge you. No rounding.

If I can give you some advice...NEVER offer such absurd discounts on your time. Always charge what you are worth. Otherwise you will get people who will not only waste your time but try to stiff you on the (meager) bill. You could not get me to look at a project like this for less than 6 BTC/hour.

I think my advice/suggestion is a contract for the whole project/job. Ask for full charge instead of paying per hour. With pay per hour, you would face problems like this current one. Some will charge you for just looking at your code and claiming they lost time and that their time is money.

Yes, a flat rate for the job is reasonable if it's short and obvious and nothing goes wrong. Installing a shopping cart probably qualifies. Making it work with Bitcoin probably doesn't.

I agree.. I figured the quoted ~2 hours for the job and ~.2btc/h so i paid .4 thinking that it was like 90% paid for. The dollar value for the difference is miniscule. Now it's like, if I want a shopping cart for bitcoin I have to go somewhere else... Pay someone else to do it. I already told him in PM that the 1.5 BTC he asked for originally would be worth it for me to pay if the module was working. And even still, it would be worth 1.5 BTC to me if the module did work. It's very unfortunate that the module doesn't work.

"Typical time to set up the cart software(getting it onto the server, setting up mysql,etc) typicaly runs 2 hours."

I just don't see where the hours went. It's like, pre-made software, and the pluging module takes all of a moment to install.

And how is it his fault that MyBitcoin decides to go offline? It's starting to look to me like you just don't want to pay your bills.

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Quote from: logansryche on July 31, 2011, 03:35:34 PM

I told you my hourly rate was 0.2152 btc/per hour and you agreed. That roughs out to $3 USD per hour. Way below what a website designer would charge you. No rounding.

If I can give you some advice...NEVER offer such absurd discounts on your time. Always charge what you are worth. Otherwise you will get people who will not only waste your time but try to stiff you on the (meager) bill. You could not get me to look at a project like this for less than 6 BTC/hour.

I think my advice/suggestion is a contract for the whole project/job. Ask for full charge instead of paying per hour. With pay per hour, you would face problems like this current one. Some will charge you for just looking at your code and claiming they lost time and that their time is money.

Yes, a flat rate for the job is reasonable if it's short and obvious and nothing goes wrong. Installing a shopping cart probably qualifies. Making it work with Bitcoin probably doesn't.

I agree.. I figured the quoted ~2 hours for the job and ~.2btc/h so i paid .4 thinking that it was like 90% paid for. The dollar value for the difference is miniscule. Now it's like, if I want a shopping cart for bitcoin I have to go somewhere else... Pay someone else to do it. I already told him in PM that the 1.5 BTC he asked for originally would be worth it for me to pay if the module was working. And even still, it would be worth 1.5 BTC to me if the module did work. It's very unfortunate that the module doesn't work.

"Typical time to set up the cart software(getting it onto the server, setting up mysql,etc) typicaly runs 2 hours."

I just don't see where the hours went. It's like, pre-made software, and the pluging module takes all of a moment to install.

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And that was thing... when I first created my site over on x10hosting and then moved it over to dot com, everything was running smooth. Now suddenly mybitcoin.com is offline for good and I'm SOL, so I sought out the creator of the module and he said he couldn't make the module unless mt gox released acess to their merchant tools, so I sent an email off to mt gox for acess and have yet to hear a reply. I'll probly send them another one in the morning but the point here is now that i've put all this time and effort into this and all I'm getting is flack from the customer. Time is money and I do have other projects/bills to pay so I need to get this fixed asap.

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Quote from: error on July 31, 2011, 03:37:23 PM

Quote from: logansryche on July 31, 2011, 03:35:34 PM

I told you my hourly rate was 0.2152 btc/per hour and you agreed. That roughs out to $3 USD per hour. Way below what a website designer would charge you. No rounding.

If I can give you some advice...NEVER offer such absurd discounts on your time. Always charge what you are worth. Otherwise you will get people who will not only waste your time but try to stiff you on the (meager) bill. You could not get me to look at a project like this for less than 6 BTC/hour.

I think my advice/suggestion is a contract for the whole project/job. Ask for full charge instead of paying per hour. With pay per hour, you would face problems like this current one. Some will charge you for just looking at your code and claiming they lost time and that their time is money.

Yes, a flat rate for the job is reasonable if it's short and obvious and nothing goes wrong. Installing a shopping cart probably qualifies. Making it work with Bitcoin probably doesn't.

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Quote from: logansryche on July 31, 2011, 03:38:35 PM

you're right. Ok well if you want to go that route, then I put 5 hours into it instead of 7 due to internet latency. One more thing to add to a revised contract -.-

ok i think that is reasonable.

0.2152 x 5 (hours) = 1.076

1.076 - 0.40 (deposit paid) = 0.676

pay logansryche 0.676 BTC

How about since the bitcoin module doesn't work, I pay 0.5 btc? I think that's fair.

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That's fair

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Quote from: logansryche on July 31, 2011, 03:35:34 PM

I told you my hourly rate was 0.2152 btc/per hour and you agreed. That roughs out to $3 USD per hour. Way below what a website designer would charge you. No rounding.

If I can give you some advice...NEVER offer such absurd discounts on your time. Always charge what you are worth. Otherwise you will get people who will not only waste your time but try to stiff you on the (meager) bill. You could not get me to look at a project like this for less than 6 BTC/hour.

I didn't want to come off as charging too much, but yeah my time is worth alot.

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you're right. Ok well if you want to go that route, then I put 5 hours into it instead of 7 due to internet latency. One more thing to add to a revised contract -.-

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Quote from: logansryche on July 31, 2011, 03:35:34 PM

I told you my hourly rate was 0.2152 btc/per hour and you agreed. That roughs out to $3 USD per hour. Way below what a website designer would charge you. No rounding.

If I can give you some advice...NEVER offer such absurd discounts on your time. Always charge what you are worth. Otherwise you will get people who will not only waste your time but try to stiff you on the (meager) bill. You could not get me to look at a project like this for less than 6 BTC/hour.

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I told you my hourly rate was 0.2152 btc/per hour and you agreed. That roughs out to $3 USD per hour. Way below what a website designer would charge you. No rounding.

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I can't rush people, ya know? Ya might want to try and push yourself by sending mt gox an email or even tabsa an email.. i've done all I can do without sounding like an idiot. The other carts ive come across want you to run the bitcoin software on your computer or server and set up an rpc username and password. It confused me too much so I didn't look into it further. OS Commerce did have a bitcoin module but when you go to his page, it sends you a readme file instead of the actual module. I sent him an email as well. I also told you that when mt gox releases their merchant tools so tabsa can redo his module, you'd get it for free. I don't have any control over anything else.

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There are a few things I don't quite understand here.

The first one is... 0.21 BTC per hour?!? That seems ridiculous. Was this a typo that was meant to be 2.1 BTC per hour?

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Quote from: logansryche on July 31, 2011, 03:25:10 PM

No and it was stated in the contract that stuff like that I'm not responsible for. I should be fully compensated the 7 hours I put into it.

and I am still left w/o bitcoin module.

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No and it was stated in the contract that stuff like that I'm not responsible for. I should be fully compensated the 7 hours I put into it.

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offer: i'll give you 0.3 btc. this is just because you tried your best. your internet connection taking hours isn't my fault.

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Quote from: mc_lovin on July 31, 2011, 03:14:43 PM

The thing that I don't like, though, is bad numbers in a deal of numbers.

Opencart + modules = 150MB. It's stretching the truth and saying the .4 was a gift (originally) that's what made me mad.

Yeah.. and we worked around that. I agreed that I would accept .4 btc as a down payment towards the overall bill, but because i put as much time and effort into it, the price is still going to cost 1.1064
The ammount of labor I put into trying to fix that plugin costed way more then that. Sorry you don't like it, but it is the truth and I have several people to back me up on it(none on the forum), including my wife.

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The thing that I don't like, though, is bad numbers in a deal of numbers.

Opencart + modules = 150MB. It's stretching the truth and saying the .4 was a gift (originally) that's what made me mad.

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And here I thought building a contract would make me secure so stuff like this wouldn't happen -.-

Dude, I liked working with you, but if you worked on something all night you should tell the person. What if you worked on it for 100 hours? Would I have to pay for 100 hours? 7 hours seems a bit of a stretch, it took me 14 minutes to upload the software myself. At the 3 hour mark, the software was all good to go. If you spent a long time working on the plugin module, that should have been done before offering the service.

No because no one forsaw mybitcoin.com going offline permantly, so yes.. i made an attempt to fix it. I put more then 100 hours in downtime to get that plugin to work and try different carts and plugins. Why? Because that's good business practice. Would I charge you for it? no because labor wasn't listed in the contract.

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Quote from: logansryche on July 31, 2011, 03:00:44 PM

And here I thought building a contract would make me secure so stuff like this wouldn't happen -.-

Dude, I liked working with you, but if you worked on something all night you should tell the person. What if you worked on it for 100 hours? Would I have to pay for 100 hours? 7 hours seems a bit of a stretch, it took me 14 minutes to upload the software myself. At the 3 hour mark, the software was all good to go. If you spent a long time working on the plugin module, that should have been done before offering the service.

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And here I thought building a contract would make me secure so stuff like this wouldn't happen -.-

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