Topic: Case vs Trezor - page 2. (Read 2947 times)
I like the case design better than the trezor. I asked them on their own thread about recovery in case they go offline or disappear and they didn't respond :/
I agree we have different definitions of open source and why I cited the exact license they switched to.
Would be great to stop that troll, because they went back to the original license immediately after the change and even documented it on their blog
What if case goes under? Are your bitcoins locked since there servers cant verify the transaction?
Case seems like it has potential but it hasnt even been released yet. For now Trezor all the way 
Ok, so I'm looking at this case thing more and I really like it. It's easy Bitcoin use for simple people.
First off, you can load it up with Bitcoin and use it easily, pull it out of your wallet and buy stuff. What the average Joe or Mary on the street needs - the equivalent of a credit card.
But then looking deeper into it, why not just use my phone? Well yes you can, except that either the BTC is on your phone or its in a cloud. If it is in a cloud and the company goes down, you're toast. If it's on your phone and you lose your phone, you're toast.
Case on the other hand has two out of three pieces necessary to spend your Bitcoin. One piece is the device, one piece is their cloud, and one is a recovery password. So if someone jacks your device or it dies, you do not lose your Bitcoin. There is the option for you yourself to keep the third recovery password so if the company or cloud goes bust you still can restore your Bitcoin.
In the end, this is a really sweet device. It answers a question I have had for a while: how can we make Bitcoin easy? A wallet that can automatically reload and you can spend easily is definitely easy.
First off, you can load it up with Bitcoin and use it easily, pull it out of your wallet and buy stuff. What the average Joe or Mary on the street needs - the equivalent of a credit card.
But then looking deeper into it, why not just use my phone? Well yes you can, except that either the BTC is on your phone or its in a cloud. If it is in a cloud and the company goes down, you're toast. If it's on your phone and you lose your phone, you're toast.
Case on the other hand has two out of three pieces necessary to spend your Bitcoin. One piece is the device, one piece is their cloud, and one is a recovery password. So if someone jacks your device or it dies, you do not lose your Bitcoin. There is the option for you yourself to keep the third recovery password so if the company or cloud goes bust you still can restore your Bitcoin.
In the end, this is a really sweet device. It answers a question I have had for a while: how can we make Bitcoin easy? A wallet that can automatically reload and you can spend easily is definitely easy.
Im definitely going for Case. Trezor went closed source... are you kidding me? Never mix anything closed source with crypto related. BTC is open source for ar eason.
And this is the exact reason I tried to clarify the difference between "free" and "open source". Reasonable minds can disagree about the definition of "open source", but in absolutely no way is the Trezor system "closed source". You are free to download, review, compile and install the software and firmware for Trezor. It is not closed source.
Yes.... it isn't quite open source and not quite closed source either.
Concern is with company lock in and the ability for others to decide what features they want to incorporate within the hardware and do there own development. The MRSL is better than being completely closed source as you can independently audit the code but does come with strings attached and is somewhat insulting to the community because Trezor was made possible by a lot of code contributed by others for free.
Trezor is still a great device and so is Case... just getting the facts out there with the advantages and disadvantages of each.
Exactly and they had to do something, shit companies were stealing their firmwares and selling devices for much cheaper essentially able to kill Trezors ability to sell.
Valid concern. But trezor could always command a large percentage of marketshare because of branding, trust, and higher build quality over knockoffs . 120 isn't a lot and most people would be willing to spend 20-40 usd more for an authentic trezor even if they kept it on old license. I understand the tradeoffs , but believe they made the wrong decision ...
Im definitely going for Case. Trezor went closed source... are you kidding me? Never mix anything closed source with crypto related. BTC is open source for ar eason.
And this is the exact reason I tried to clarify the difference between "free" and "open source". Reasonable minds can disagree about the definition of "open source", but in absolutely no way is the Trezor system "closed source". You are free to download, review, compile and install the software and firmware for Trezor. It is not closed source.
Im definitely going for Case. Trezor went closed source... are you kidding me? Never mix anything closed source with crypto related. BTC is open source for ar eason.
And this is the exact reason I tried to clarify the difference between "free" and "open source". Reasonable minds can disagree about the definition of "open source", but in absolutely no way is the Trezor system "closed source". You are free to download, review, compile and install the software and firmware for Trezor. It is not closed source.
Im definitely going for Case. Trezor went closed source... are you kidding me? Never mix anything closed source with crypto related. BTC is open source for ar eason.
I like the presentation on Case. I will probably buy one. Something tells me to wait until the bugs are ironed out.
I have a desktop, and mobile devices, not a laptop. So if I have to go home to plug a trezor into my computer in order to use it, it is somewhat useless.
That being said there is no way that I would store more than 5% of my Bitcoin on a credit-card sized device in my wallet. But I wouldn't put all my Bitcoin on one Trezor either.
I have a desktop, and mobile devices, not a laptop. So if I have to go home to plug a trezor into my computer in order to use it, it is somewhat useless.
That being said there is no way that I would store more than 5% of my Bitcoin on a credit-card sized device in my wallet. But I wouldn't put all my Bitcoin on one Trezor either.
Trezor
No longer open source as of v1.3.0 and switched to restrictive Microsoft Reference Source License
No longer open source as of v1.3.0 and switched to restrictive Microsoft Reference Source License
It is still open source. "Open source" does not guarantee free reign to change/re-use the source. There are many different licenses that fall under the umbrella of "open source".
You can download all the source code here: http://doc.satoshilabs.com/trezor-tech/resources.html. You can no longer freely re-use the software for other purposes, but you can still fully validate it.
The whole point of open sourcing the software and firmware for this device is to allow the community to verify that it's doing what they say it's doing, and to check for weaknesses. The switch to MRSL does nothing to prevent that.
I agree we have different definitions of open source and why I cited the exact license they switched to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source
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In production and development, open source as a development model promotes a universal access via a free license to a product's design or blueprint, and universal redistribution of that design or blueprint, including subsequent improvements to it by anyone
Trezor
No longer open source as of v1.3.0 and switched to restrictive Microsoft Reference Source License
No longer open source as of v1.3.0 and switched to restrictive Microsoft Reference Source License
It is still open source. "Open source" does not guarantee free reign to change/re-use the source. There are many different licenses that fall under the umbrella of "open source".
You can download all the source code here: http://doc.satoshilabs.com/trezor-tech/resources.html. You can no longer freely re-use the software for other purposes, but you can still fully validate it.
The whole point of open sourcing the software and firmware for this device is to allow the community to verify that it's doing what they say it's doing, and to check for weaknesses. The switch to MRSL does nothing to prevent that.
I own a trezor and love it, it has a couple of wallets that support it as well and some alt coins are supported like Dash and Litecoin. I haven't tried a case yet but I had owned a different hardware wallet before Trezor and the issue is finding wallet support for the wallet you like.
What are the relative pros and cons?
Case uses biometrics (plus it doesn't actually exist), so it's out for me.
Yes, using biometrics is a no go for me as well. In addition, I really dislike that it's such a security nanny and doesn't give 100% control to the user. In fact the concept does not improve security (you can still obtain fingerprints easily), instead it makes the user dependent on a company, which is a far greater systemic risk than a few users loosing their wallet now and then. I mean, for me it's pretty clear not to carry a wallet with me every day that holds all my funds. A single wallet typically contains only a small portion of money for spending. Therefore it is not essential that a wallet is protected against theft.
Also you could have multisig without company involvement (for example provide a 2nd key transmission device that can communicate with the wallet, which the user can leave at another place).
Essentially I'd really like to have a simple hardware wallet that is also able to broadcast transactions. But not at the price of providing biometrics, linking my identity to every transaction, and giving away control. So I hope a competitor comes in and makes a better Case.
ya.ya.yo!
What are the relative pros and cons?
Case uses biometrics (plus it doesn't actually exist), so it's out for me.
I love my Trezor, it's been very reliable. I'll buy another one as soon as a higher build quality is available.
Case is more expensive but more complete,however it combines personal information...
Trezor is more tested, and cheaper(anyway, I think it should be more)
I think we still need to see case in the market to see how it works,still just seen the annoucement
Trezor is more tested, and cheaper(anyway, I think it should be more)
I think we still need to see case in the market to see how it works,still just seen the annoucement
Personally I can not answer your question as I do not own either of them - actually come to think of it, I don't own any hardware wallets. 
However, you might find this useful: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/overview-bitcoin-hardware-wallets-secure-your-coins-899253
However, you might find this useful: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/overview-bitcoin-hardware-wallets-secure-your-coins-899253
What are the relative pros and cons?
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