Topic: Casinos after the shutdowns of mixers - page 4. (Read 828 times)
I think there's nothing different. Mixers only use BitcoinTalk for marketing to target their potential customers. Users can use Google or any search engine or do their own research to determine which mixer to use. There are many ways to go about mixing your bitcoin they were just limited or banned here in BitcoinTalk. They can still operate if they want. The thing is, their potential customer base just got lower and BitcoinTalk just wants to warn their community about what bitcoin mixers can do to their community life.
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Okay lets try to assess things on here;Are there any casinos that had been shut down by the government just because of some privacy issues here on this market or into this forum itself?
I didnt remember any platforms who had been able to experience such thing but rather those platforms or companies had closed their doors usually in speaking or pertaining
about on not being profitable and not into some legal issues. They had been existing for a while but i dont see any situations that do connects out with legality
or some culprits in between the government.
So i dont really see any connections in regarding with the recent mixers situations into these gambling platforms or businesses. They do function out differently
on which it is really just that a common approach.
Yes, and that's why we should just leave it there because it's not going to happen at least for now and let's just have that confidence that it will not going to come close unless for those that don't do their compliance that's asked to do. on which it is really just that a common approach.
Now, you may be wondering about the connection between mixers related issues and casinos. The thing lies in casinos capability to facilitate untraceable transactions, enabling scenarios like depositing and withdrawing without a trace, potentially leading to money laundering.
If casinos can be able to do the work of a mixer inside a casino, then that's not just a casino, but could be called something else – or we will say, it's a casino with an inbuilt mixing service enabled.
Let's just use it as a casino, but it's not a casino. Let's use something like any form of business, where someone opens a legitimate business and gets it licensed under a government, but behind that business they are running an illegal business, which they are using the real one to cover up. So any casino which has such features could also be brought down, if they get big enough to attract government attention.
So to me, few casinos might try to add such feature, but I don't think that will be the next moves for those who are in the mixing industry, they will not want to take that part, and beside, casinos are mostly licensed and when they gets knocked out, they could easily trace the owners of such, so they won't want to do such.
I have seen lots of licensed casinos and have you ever seen a licensed mixer? 
Told those mixers to implement KYC for their customers and got a license from the regulator. It may make those mixers will be unbanned again. You are obviously talking nonsense here.
The casinos have always made sure to comply with regulations, as there are many of them. Casino will be banning your account if there will be a suspicious transaction in your account. Have you ever encountered the criminals getting banned when they were using mixer?
Even the hacked case of stake related to the criminal act by lazarus group. Open your eyes!
mixer service is absolutely about privacy and implementing the requirements of KYC for customers does rubbish the usefulness and purpose for inventing and introducing mixer into cryptocurrency. However, that's the only condition with which the government may likely reconsider their operation again but only that it doesn't make sense at all and it's unacceptable if we're talking upholding privacy. Told those mixers to implement KYC for their customers and got a license from the regulator. It may make those mixers will be unbanned again. You are obviously talking nonsense here.
The casinos have always made sure to comply with regulations, as there are many of them. Casino will be banning your account if there will be a suspicious transaction in your account. Have you ever encountered the criminals getting banned when they were using mixer?
Even the hacked case of stake related to the criminal act by lazarus group. Open your eyes!
Casino from inception are known for eventual requesting of KYC even if they never did at registration they will at a point certain size of amount of money is to be withdrawn, this they do in line with the conditions of the license given by the government. Imo, should mixer accept to implement KYC any mixing activity done by a customer is nothing but a facade. What is the need for mixing when you're already KYCed?
potentially leading to money laundering.
Does that justify all the actions take against casinos?
Analogically, you have the potential to kill someone, either using your hands, or a car for that, or a firearm. I don't see countries banning people from using firearm or cars simply because there's a chance they might someone. It's possible that someone will abuse the casino, but there's a chance someone will abuse your computer by sending you a virus that makes your computer send spam. With enough knowledge and dedication you can abuse and damage any of the existing systems, be it financial, political, social...
We should not assume that gambling casinos are having the same service or functions as mixers, what may comes next as well after these is what we remain perplexed about, mixers were only banned on this forum and not on every other platforms online, crypto casinos are also doing well in their businesses offering gambling services and shouldn't be taken for mixers as well, at the end of it all, the government cannot take over the responsibility of making these eradication completely because the more they are shutting them down the more others are coming out and people finding alternatives.
Casinos and mixers are in no way related to each other or have any similarities. A mixer would allow a user to mix their coins and receive coins with no traces or identities whereas a gambling platform wouldn't have an issue finding the person behind a certain transaction since they have the user data available at their disposal. So, the fact that casinos require KYC from users at some point proves that transactions coming out from a casino aren't untraceable because you are the one who made the withdrawal and the casino knows who you are.
If there is anything suspicious about a certain user and if the authorities reach out to the casino, they can easily check all your transactions and gambling history and since you have done KYC with them, they can reach you without a problem. So, I don't think casinos have a threat at all.
Only the casinos that don't ask their users for KYC verification might get in trouble in such situations.
If there is anything suspicious about a certain user and if the authorities reach out to the casino, they can easily check all your transactions and gambling history and since you have done KYC with them, they can reach you without a problem. So, I don't think casinos have a threat at all.
Only the casinos that don't ask their users for KYC verification might get in trouble in such situations.
Numerous bad news and developments unfolded this past week, mainly impacting privacy and decentralization. The recent crackdown by United States authorities on well known mixers has serious implications for users and even businesses or projects. Mixers were originally designed to keep users anonymity, and the current situation appears to be so harming for both sides and a slap for bitcoin users as well.
The worse news, is mixers will no longer be allowed in Bitcointalk for any kind of promotions or even discussions. Along with the risk of getting banned because of that means ; Mixers are dead here in BTT.
Now, you may be wondering about the connection between mixers related issues and casinos. The thing lies in casinos capability to facilitate untraceable transactions, enabling scenarios like depositing and withdrawing without a trace, potentially leading to money laundering.
The important question here: how will casinos respond to this new landscape, and what measures will they take and implement to face the challenges posed by recent developments? Probably many users will join casinos for an alternative of mixer.
The worse news, is mixers will no longer be allowed in Bitcointalk for any kind of promotions or even discussions. Along with the risk of getting banned because of that means ; Mixers are dead here in BTT.
Now, you may be wondering about the connection between mixers related issues and casinos. The thing lies in casinos capability to facilitate untraceable transactions, enabling scenarios like depositing and withdrawing without a trace, potentially leading to money laundering.
The important question here: how will casinos respond to this new landscape, and what measures will they take and implement to face the challenges posed by recent developments? Probably many users will join casinos for an alternative of mixer.
Well first of all, mixers would still very much in operation but just not in this forum, so people would still use mixers to go about their businesses. And then secondly, before the mixers were introduced, casinos were already existing and they didn't have to face any of such threats or fear of being used for malicious activities so I believe they'll just be fine, and then again, most casinos has regulations that tackles situations that relates to this so even if mixers would completely be banned from operation, I doubt that casinos would be the next place users would divert their attentions as alternatives.
Now, you may be wondering about the connection between mixers related issues and casinos. The thing lies in casinos capability to facilitate untraceable transactions, enabling scenarios like depositing and withdrawing without a trace, potentially leading to money laundering.
The important question here: how will casinos respond to this new landscape, and what measures will they take and implement to face the challenges posed by recent developments? Probably many users will join casinos for an alternative of mixer.
The important question here: how will casinos respond to this new landscape, and what measures will they take and implement to face the challenges posed by recent developments? Probably many users will join casinos for an alternative of mixer.
Casinos are not mixers and Casinos can never be like mixers because Casinos don't have that mixing capabilities, they can't hide transaction and make it complex for the chain analyst to decrypt. The people behind most of the mixers are usually anonymous which means they can't be identified even when things go wrong and government agency cannot question how they operate and how they mix coins but casinos can be contacted and if they found out that a person has violate any thing, they will hand over the person identity to them because they mostly ask for KYC.
The government can easily work hand in hand with casino if there is any foul play or any hacker that try to launder money through the casino and they can be easily caught, no serious criminal person will ever look at the casino and want to use it to launder money, they will be trace easily except if there is no KYC and most of the casinos that weren't KYC has become compliant to the government, the have asked their people to undergo a KYC exercise.
Numerous bad news and developments unfolded this past week, mainly impacting privacy and decentralization. The recent crackdown by United States authorities on well known mixers has serious implications for users and even businesses or projects. Mixers were originally designed to keep users anonymity, and the current situation appears to be so harming for both sides and a slap for bitcoin users as well.
The worse news, is mixers will no longer be allowed in Bitcointalk for any kind of promotions or even discussions. Along with the risk of getting banned because of that means ; Mixers are dead here in BTT.
Now, you may be wondering about the connection between mixers related issues and casinos. The thing lies in casinos capability to facilitate untraceable transactions, enabling scenarios like depositing and withdrawing without a trace, potentially leading to money laundering.
The important question here: how will casinos respond to this new landscape, and what measures will they take and implement to face the challenges posed by recent developments? Probably many users will join casinos for an alternative of mixer.
The worse news, is mixers will no longer be allowed in Bitcointalk for any kind of promotions or even discussions. Along with the risk of getting banned because of that means ; Mixers are dead here in BTT.
Now, you may be wondering about the connection between mixers related issues and casinos. The thing lies in casinos capability to facilitate untraceable transactions, enabling scenarios like depositing and withdrawing without a trace, potentially leading to money laundering.
The important question here: how will casinos respond to this new landscape, and what measures will they take and implement to face the challenges posed by recent developments? Probably many users will join casinos for an alternative of mixer.
Mixers were bad news from day one and few even achieved what they claimed to do in the first place. They are the very definition of money laundering and will always be treated as such by law enforcement in every single country. They have some very edge case legitimate usage, but the vast majority of people using them are for illegitimate purposes. There's no point acting like this is a new development either, there have been continuous and repeated waves of shutdowns over the years. In fact they probably stagger such prosecutions so they are able to catch many fish in the net and tie many cases together. Casinos may actually benefit from this in the longer run, as they are rather fluid with their deposits.
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Now, you may be wondering about the connection between mixers related issues and casinos. The thing lies in casinos capability to facilitate untraceable transactions, enabling scenarios like depositing and withdrawing without a trace, potentially leading to money laundering.
The important question here: how will casinos respond to this new landscape, and what measures will they take and implement to face the challenges posed by recent developments? Probably many users will join casinos for an alternative of mixer.
we will continue to adapt to the new conditions and policies that apply, that is a good adaptation, and to be honest, the moderator is actually not easy to make that decision, there are many considerations that must be taken into account for the good of the forum, we all have to be able to accept these changes, regarding what will happen to casinos after the majority of mixers are not allowed to advertise on forums, i don't think it will have a big impact on casinos, there will definitely be some gamblers who use mixers for deposits or withdrawals but after this policy, they have to be prepared for all the risks that exist when using the mixer for deposits and withdrawals. Now, you may be wondering about the connection between mixers related issues and casinos. The thing lies in casinos capability to facilitate untraceable transactions, enabling scenarios like depositing and withdrawing without a trace, potentially leading to money laundering.
The important question here: how will casinos respond to this new landscape, and what measures will they take and implement to face the challenges posed by recent developments? Probably many users will join casinos for an alternative of mixer.
Now, you may be wondering about the connection between mixers related issues and casinos. The thing lies in casinos capability to facilitate untraceable transactions, enabling scenarios like depositing and withdrawing without a trace, potentially leading to money laundering.
The important question here: how will casinos respond to this new landscape, and what measures will they take and implement to face the challenges posed by recent developments? Probably many users will join casinos for an alternative of mixer.
Unless people who wants to launder in casino approved their KYC. To be frank, casino's KYC procedure are more strict than exchanges to be precise and is really against to money laundering due to it's strict regulations. The important question here: how will casinos respond to this new landscape, and what measures will they take and implement to face the challenges posed by recent developments? Probably many users will join casinos for an alternative of mixer.
Well, unless these launderers use unlicensed casinos who are more riskier to lost their funds after depositing there.
If the casino is not licensed then it is clear that I will consider it a fraudulent casino, they do not have legal regulations so even if they will mix there it will lose all the money there.
Isn't mixing only prohibited on forums? So they can still mix without having to involve the casino as an alternative.
All of those are possibiities.
But I don't think that they're going to take it seriously when majority of them are registered and have a trademark unlike the mixers that have unknown developers or owners behind.
Maybe they'll take it as a precaution to do their jobs better and monitor more players accurately. Other than that, I don't see something serious that shall go with the casinos.
But I don't think that they're going to take it seriously when majority of them are registered and have a trademark unlike the mixers that have unknown developers or owners behind.
Maybe they'll take it as a precaution to do their jobs better and monitor more players accurately. Other than that, I don't see something serious that shall go with the casinos.
Aside from what you said, Forum restricting mixers is a not directly gonna impact casino in legal ways. This is just a forum safety precaution agains possible legal charges in the future by hosting illegal mixers while casino is legally compliant so there’s no way for regulators to crack them down without any evidence that they are knowingly allowing money laundering.
I believe only forum users is making it a big deal due to the signature campaign but it’s really not gonna affect casino operations because mixers is different to casino if we remove forum out of the picture.
But they're worried that crypto casinos might go next with the taking down of the regulators and the forum admin has to retaliate with that actions taken by them.
Anyway, there's nothing to be worried about it as casinos are typically normal business and establishments already globally. They'll just be taken down if they are unregistered.
Are there any casinos that had been shut down by the government just because of some privacy issues here on this market or into this forum itself?
I didnt remember any platforms who had been able to experience such thing but rather those platforms or companies had closed their doors usually in speaking or pertaining
about on not being profitable and not into some legal issues. They had been existing for a while but i dont see any situations that do connects out with legality
or some culprits in between the government.
So i dont really see any connections in regarding with the recent mixers situations into these gambling platforms or businesses. They do function out differently
on which it is really just that a common approach.
probably too worried the campaigns are going to also stop. but sure it's going to be worrisome, people have been around in this forum for years, and suddenly things like this mess up the routine.
where else can they advertise but to the biggest crypto community. this is the trade-off for the crypto adoption though. its been widely adopted you might not notice it but the online payment method has changed a lot and even the services provided by freelancers have options to pay BTC and USDT. that is kind of a success.
All of those are possibiities.
But I don't think that they're going to take it seriously when majority of them are registered and have a trademark unlike the mixers that have unknown developers or owners behind.
Maybe they'll take it as a precaution to do their jobs better and monitor more players accurately. Other than that, I don't see something serious that shall go with the casinos.
But I don't think that they're going to take it seriously when majority of them are registered and have a trademark unlike the mixers that have unknown developers or owners behind.
Maybe they'll take it as a precaution to do their jobs better and monitor more players accurately. Other than that, I don't see something serious that shall go with the casinos.
Aside from what you said, Forum restricting mixers is a not directly gonna impact casino in legal ways. This is just a forum safety precaution agains possible legal charges in the future by hosting illegal mixers while casino is legally compliant so there’s no way for regulators to crack them down without any evidence that they are knowingly allowing money laundering.
I believe only forum users is making it a big deal due to the signature campaign but it’s really not gonna affect casino operations because mixers is different to casino if we remove forum out of the picture.
But they're worried that crypto casinos might go next with the taking down of the regulators and the forum admin has to retaliate with that actions taken by them.
Anyway, there's nothing to be worried about it as casinos are typically normal business and establishments already globally. They'll just be taken down if they are unregistered.
Are there any casinos that had been shut down by the government just because of some privacy issues here on this market or into this forum itself?
I didnt remember any platforms who had been able to experience such thing but rather those platforms or companies had closed their doors usually in speaking or pertaining
about on not being profitable and not into some legal issues. They had been existing for a while but i dont see any situations that do connects out with legality
or some culprits in between the government.
So i dont really see any connections in regarding with the recent mixers situations into these gambling platforms or businesses. They do function out differently
on which it is really just that a common approach.
The important question here: how will casinos respond to this new landscape, and what measures will they take and implement to face the challenges posed by recent developments? Probably many users will join casinos for an alternative of mixer.
All of those are possibiities.
But I don't think that they're going to take it seriously when majority of them are registered and have a trademark unlike the mixers that have unknown developers or owners behind.
Maybe they'll take it as a precaution to do their jobs better and monitor more players accurately. Other than that, I don't see something serious that shall go with the casinos.
But I don't think that they're going to take it seriously when majority of them are registered and have a trademark unlike the mixers that have unknown developers or owners behind.
Maybe they'll take it as a precaution to do their jobs better and monitor more players accurately. Other than that, I don't see something serious that shall go with the casinos.
Aside from what you said, Forum restricting mixers is a not directly gonna impact casino in legal ways. This is just a forum safety precaution agains possible legal charges in the future by hosting illegal mixers while casino is legally compliant so there’s no way for regulators to crack them down without any evidence that they are knowingly allowing money laundering.
I believe only forum users is making it a big deal due to the signature campaign but it’s really not gonna affect casino operations because mixers is different to casino if we remove forum out of the picture.
But they're worried that crypto casinos might go next with the taking down of the regulators and the forum admin has to retaliate with that actions taken by them.
Anyway, there's nothing to be worried about it as casinos are typically normal business and establishments already globally. They'll just be taken down if they are unregistered.
Numerous bad news and developments unfolded this past week, mainly impacting privacy and decentralization. The recent crackdown by United States authorities on well known mixers has serious implications for users and even businesses or projects. Mixers were originally designed to keep users anonymity, and the current situation appears to be so harming for both sides and a slap for bitcoin users as well.
The worse news, is mixers will no longer be allowed in Bitcointalk for any kind of promotions or even discussions. Along with the risk of getting banned because of that means ; Mixers are dead here in BTT.
Now, you may be wondering about the connection between mixers related issues and casinos. The thing lies in casinos capability to facilitate untraceable transactions, enabling scenarios like depositing and withdrawing without a trace, potentially leading to money laundering.
The important question here: how will casinos respond to this new landscape, and what measures will they take and implement to face the challenges posed by recent developments? Probably many users will join casinos for an alternative of mixer.
I will quote the entire post so that my response will align with it post better. Well, to respond to your concerns, casinos and mixers are entirely different thing with different terms and conditions even though most of them have some things in common. From my experience, it will be a little bit difficult for bad actors to use casinos for money laundering without the casinos knowing. First, many casinos already have a rule that you must stake certain percentage of your deposited funds to be able to make withdrawals. In this case, you cannot just deposit and make withdrawals without playing games in the platform. The worse news, is mixers will no longer be allowed in Bitcointalk for any kind of promotions or even discussions. Along with the risk of getting banned because of that means ; Mixers are dead here in BTT.
Now, you may be wondering about the connection between mixers related issues and casinos. The thing lies in casinos capability to facilitate untraceable transactions, enabling scenarios like depositing and withdrawing without a trace, potentially leading to money laundering.
The important question here: how will casinos respond to this new landscape, and what measures will they take and implement to face the challenges posed by recent developments? Probably many users will join casinos for an alternative of mixer.
Going forward, casinos that do not have this rule will have to integrate same to protect themselves from this recent crackdown on privacy. I know casinos have some level of legitimacy but crypto-based casinos might still be seen as bit treat, hence the need to tighten loosed ends.
Numerous bad news and developments unfolded this past week, mainly impacting privacy and decentralization. The recent crackdown by United States authorities on well known mixers has serious implications for users and even businesses or projects. Mixers were originally designed to keep users anonymity, and the current situation appears to be so harming for both sides and a slap for bitcoin users as well.
The worse news, is mixers will no longer be allowed in Bitcointalk for any kind of promotions or even discussions. Along with the risk of getting banned because of that means ; Mixers are dead here in BTT.
Now, you may be wondering about the connection between mixers related issues and casinos. The thing lies in casinos capability to facilitate untraceable transactions, enabling scenarios like depositing and withdrawing without a trace, potentially leading to money laundering.
The important question here: how will casinos respond to this new landscape, and what measures will they take and implement to face the challenges posed by recent developments? Probably many users will join casinos for an alternative of mixer.
The worse news, is mixers will no longer be allowed in Bitcointalk for any kind of promotions or even discussions. Along with the risk of getting banned because of that means ; Mixers are dead here in BTT.
Now, you may be wondering about the connection between mixers related issues and casinos. The thing lies in casinos capability to facilitate untraceable transactions, enabling scenarios like depositing and withdrawing without a trace, potentially leading to money laundering.
The important question here: how will casinos respond to this new landscape, and what measures will they take and implement to face the challenges posed by recent developments? Probably many users will join casinos for an alternative of mixer.
The crackdown on mixers would certainly increase the number of people trying to mix their crypto in gambling sites. Specially those which don't enforce KYC.
So, could expect more strict restrictions and more KYC demands in gambling site. One way they would try to stop is requiring people to bet x times their deposit before withdrawing as everyone deposits on a gambling site to gamble. There would be no choice for users for change of mind after they deposit. The exception of gambling site with bankroll investment, they could require the investing users to hold the coin for a longer fixed amount of time before withdrawing. And for suspicious and larger deposit expect a KYC demand.
casinos should never be considered an alternative to mixers.
it is very easy to track funds sent and withdrawal. Their design does not require you to have this function probably due AML.
the only sites that allowed these funds to be partially "obscured" were gambling sites with internal exchanges. If I remember correctly, none of the major companies have introduced this feature
it is very easy to track funds sent and withdrawal. Their design does not require you to have this function probably due AML.
the only sites that allowed these funds to be partially "obscured" were gambling sites with internal exchanges. If I remember correctly, none of the major companies have introduced this feature
Let's hope it's not related to crypto casinos. However, casinos may take serious action to address the recent incidents at mixers by increasing supervision of their users. Crypto casinos will tighten their regulations, and casinos may immediately implement KYC on their users. By implementing this verification, the casino can at least monitor its members who deposit and withdraw large amounts of money. If the government asks questions about money laundering cases, the casino can provide its data for further investigation. Current conditions are increasingly difficult for crypto casinos because they are being monitored more closely by the government, so they have to be more careful in running their business.
All of those are possibiities.But I don't think that they're going to take it seriously when majority of them are registered and have a trademark unlike the mixers that have unknown developers or owners behind.
Maybe they'll take it as a precaution to do their jobs better and monitor more players accurately. Other than that, I don't see something serious that shall go with the casinos.
Aside from what you said, Forum restricting mixers is a not directly gonna impact casino in legal ways. This is just a forum safety precaution agains possible legal charges in the future by hosting illegal mixers while casino is legally compliant so there’s no way for regulators to crack them down without any evidence that they are knowingly allowing money laundering.
I believe only forum users is making it a big deal due to the signature campaign but it’s really not gonna affect casino operations because mixers is different to casino if we remove forum out of the picture.
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