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Quote from: leavolnhals on October 21, 2017, 11:43:00 PM

Situation is very complex. The people of Catalonia protested in the capital of Barcelona about the Spanish government disagreed with the Catalonia out of the country. They also talk about the dismissal of Catalan officials and Put on the Spanish staff, change the media department. This is how the government opposes the isolation, making the situation becomes complicated.

The Spanish government is committing political suicide here. They need to remember that they can't violently suppress the voice of close to 10 million people. The Basque region is already having a decades-long insurgency problem. Now the next is going to be Catalonia. And this time, it is going to be even more violent that that in the Basque region.

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Situation is very complex. The people of Catalonia protested in the capital of Barcelona about the Spanish government disagreed with the Catalonia out of the country. They also talk about the dismissal of Catalan officials and Put on the Spanish staff, change the media department. This is how the government opposes the isolation, making the situation becomes complicated.

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There might be many thing affecting the relations between Spain and Catalonia. There might be pride, greed or anger.
But there two civilized places should settle the issue in a civilized way, whether it be creation of new state or not.

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Quote from: karabasss on October 20, 2017, 01:09:30 AM

Quote from: Blockgraham on October 12, 2017, 11:08:04 AM

The violence of Spanish government towards the Catalonians was insane. No denying. But I'm really stuck at the announcement of the Catalonian president. Is it just a temporary stopover or will Catalonia remain a part of Spain?

Catalonia refused all ultimatums, so we are waiting for either a tough conflict or the adoption of independence, the third is not given.

Why should Catalonia heed to the ultimatums issued by the Spanish government? Catalans are a different people and their language and culture is different from that of the Spanish. The Spaniards have been trying hard for many centuries to forcibly impose their culture on the minority people (Catalans, Basque, Galicians, Extramadurans, Aragonese.etc). This ethnicide needs to stop.

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Quote from: Blockgraham on October 12, 2017, 11:08:04 AM

The violence of Spanish government towards the Catalonians was insane. No denying. But I'm really stuck at the announcement of the Catalonian president. Is it just a temporary stopover or will Catalonia remain a part of Spain?

Well what's happen there was a pure shame, nobody want to see that images again on a democratic country, that's for sure, btw nobody know at the moment what will happen, things are really tense and worst part is to see all those big companies leaving catalonia, in the end what will suffer it are citizens who are not to blame for anything.

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It is very difficult to speculate on whether it is right or not. I can not even guess what the future could be in Catalonia, if they secede from Spain. I don't think they would be better off.

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in the long term there has been so much pushback from the Spanish government that you can tell they are unlikely to completely give independence to Catalonia, at the same time, Catalonias have tried by far their best to gain independence and have the right to do so. Considering that this has been going on for decades, I think they'll come each year closer to independence, they are always pushing a little bit further and this time, it seems, Spain will have to grant them at least a bit more independence than they are comfortable to give them. In that trends continues sonner or later Catalonia might become really independet, but Europe itself will play hard on it, as Europe wants in general more integration and not less of it. So even if they do become independent, I think they'll be worsed off than before.

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I see it as a betrayal on regard of their President! poor catalonians, they were just on the edge of independence!

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Quote from: Blockgraham on October 12, 2017, 11:08:04 AM

The violence of Spanish government towards the Catalonians was insane. No denying. But I'm really stuck at the announcement of the Catalonian president. Is it just a temporary stopover or will Catalonia remain a part of Spain?

Catalonia refused all ultimatums, so we are waiting for either a tough conflict or the adoption of independence, the third is not given.

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Quote from: Blockgraham on October 12, 2017, 11:08:04 AM

The violence of Spanish government towards the Catalonians was insane. No denying. But I'm really stuck at the announcement of the Catalonian president. Is it just a temporary stopover or will Catalonia remain a part of Spain?

Well, here they are separated from Spain, and what's next? I heard that in this case large banks will leave Catalonia, and in Europe their independence will not be accepted. I think they will only lose from this referendum.

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You can never force someone to be part of your country. It is very clear that the vast majority of the Catalans want to secede from Spain, just like the other regions such as Basque Country and Galicia. If the Spaniards use force against these people, then it will make the situation even worse.

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it seems to me that Catalonia will not separate from Spain, since the majority of Catalans are against it, it will be very economically unprofitable, and will also contribute to the general separation. For example, Bayern has long been looking at the separation from Germany. But you need to understand separation and the proclamation of independence provides for exit from European Union.

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catalans finally got their independence.this is an intricate issue which will come a long run to have effects on spain in general.Is catalonis going to take national resources from spain or have their own legislative procedures...?

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Quote from: dinoloverpete on October 14, 2017, 03:12:23 PM

I do not see there being a split from Spain anytime soon, at best the president of Catalonia (I won't attempt to spell his name) will try and use this is a spring board to try and hold a referendum which is actually acknowledged and recognised by Spain.

The real test will come when Catalonia tries to mount its own army. Might might not make right, but it makes what happens.

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Quote from: yoseph on October 14, 2017, 03:08:21 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 14, 2017, 08:00:05 AM

What about California? - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23001092.

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These secessionists can do whatever they damn please and with the California path to independence, its not going to happen at all, None of the people there are original Californians, they don't own the land, We all know that the land belongs to the native Indians.

Might might not make what's right, but might makes what happens. That's why native Indians don't own the land like they might have at one time. However, the native Indians, by their own culture, never attempted to own any land. So, they don't have anything to do with it.

In addition, if they had ever owned the land, there are court rules that they actually could use to get it back. That's why they only win when they attempt to secure their reservations. Before reservations they didn't own any land, even though they could have.

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I do not see there being a split from Spain anytime soon, at best the president of Catalonia (I won't attempt to spell his name) will try and use this is a spring board to try and hold a referendum which is actually acknowledged and recognised by Spain.

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Quote from: BADecker on October 14, 2017, 08:00:05 AM

What about California? - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23001092.

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These secessionists can do whatever they damn please and with the California path to independence, its not going to happen at all, None of the people there are original Californians, they don't own the land, We all know that the land belongs to the native Indians.

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Although I kind of doubt a split will happen, I do hope that Catalonia secedes and becomes self-sufficient and economically prosperous. The Spanish government is incompetent and the economy is complete shit; hopefully this will incite some changes.

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Well, it seems a lot of Catalonians what to remain, or at least have more dialogues for a better deal. But seriously, how serious would this be for Spain? Would all the other component provinces end up separating as well? And how "self-sufficient" are these regions? Seems Italy also have movements like this. Surprising that it's the countries that are not economically well-off that are having these.

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Quote from: BADecker on October 14, 2017, 08:00:05 AM

What about California? - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23001092.

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I don't think it will turn out well because California doesn't have resources like oil and electricity being taken from other states.

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