CEG5952/xarca/poeEDgar farming trust, faking trades and claiming multipel giveaw

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on January 04, 2017, 05:55:05 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 03, 2017, 12:14:49 PM

Quote from: erikalui on January 03, 2017, 05:10:35 AM

Quote from: CEG5952 on January 03, 2017, 04:53:44 AM

Hi to everybody
This account was bought around end of 2015, For commenting and posting for project.
It was handled by one of my worker. who was supposed to comment and do posting on forum.
But as fired him a week ago and loged in to this account and started to do a review, he didnt do hes part of work instead he hired erikalui member to do his work, and didnt payed him.( i have payed erikalui today to close this thing.

Now i want to settle the rest what happened here for a year?
This account was sold and i have bought it.
If there is any problem during year 2016 let me know.
But its not my problem what did previous owner did here on forum, when we bought this account everything was ok and trust level as well.

I can confirm that I was paid.

I used to make posts for the user CEG5952 and he used to pay me on time (it was during October 2015-November 2015). He had paid me 3-4 times for my posts and the last batch of posts was sent to him in November for which he owed me 0.03 BTC which he did not pay. He said he would buy bitcoins and then send the payment (on 17th November 2015).

The user again contacted me in June 2016 and sent the following messages:

Quote from: CEG5952 on June 11, 2016, 07:04:12 AM

Hey erika,

No problem. I'm just waiting for them to pay you up. I've sent the reports you've made. I clearly understand your situation and if I were in your shoes, I'd do the same.

Seems like time flies fast. You were like a full member before and now, you're a hero member already! Congrats to that!

Quote from: CEG5952 on June 06, 2016, 09:13:39 AM

Hi erika!

I'm so sorry I just got back from a huge sudden vacation. I was actually 'fired' on my work for awhile and now got it back. So let us settle this once and for all shall we? Send me all of the reports you have and the payment option you want.

After sending the above two messages, he was online till October but still never honored his payment. I left a trust rating in Feb on his account and today he sent this message:

Quote from: CEG5952 on January 03, 2017, 09:21:20 AM

Good , Day My name is Serge.
We bougt this account year ago, and my worker was handling this account.
As i see now, he lied to you and actualy you bean doing hes work.. and he got payed for it and you not...
He got fired last week.

Please text me back with full story of what happened.

After this, I asked him to honor the payment on behalf of the owner and he paid me the same: https://blockchain.info/tx/ec6b43ae05441db58cc62f75c77e44b4f3fd050034631471955d53d3a6bcdc99

I removed my trust rating as I received the payment. I did not know that the owner had sold his account as he had replied to me in June and his password was not changed. Today, I can see the email has been changed the this user appears to be another user from his writing style.

This is all I wanted to post here.

I know that CEG... is the original owner of the account as of the day I opened this thread because he had taken out a loan to an address linking him to the original owner of the account 7 days prior to me making this thread.

I won't comment on potential changes in ownership since then as they will not matter.

Now this thread is a revelation...

Archived for future reference: http://archive.is/IWmbZ

I don't get what you want to prove with your negative rating on my profile. I have sent you a message and would appreciate you to answer me. Are you saying I am involved in the scam CEG did? What's the point?

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 03, 2017, 12:14:49 PM

Quote from: erikalui on January 03, 2017, 05:10:35 AM

Quote from: CEG5952 on January 03, 2017, 04:53:44 AM

Hi to everybody
This account was bought around end of 2015, For commenting and posting for project.
It was handled by one of my worker. who was supposed to comment and do posting on forum.
But as fired him a week ago and loged in to this account and started to do a review, he didnt do hes part of work instead he hired erikalui member to do his work, and didnt payed him.( i have payed erikalui today to close this thing.

Now i want to settle the rest what happened here for a year?
This account was sold and i have bought it.
If there is any problem during year 2016 let me know.
But its not my problem what did previous owner did here on forum, when we bought this account everything was ok and trust level as well.

I can confirm that I was paid.

I used to make posts for the user CEG5952 and he used to pay me on time (it was during October 2015-November 2015). He had paid me 3-4 times for my posts and the last batch of posts was sent to him in November for which he owed me 0.03 BTC which he did not pay. He said he would buy bitcoins and then send the payment (on 17th November 2015).

The user again contacted me in June 2016 and sent the following messages:

Quote from: CEG5952 on June 11, 2016, 07:04:12 AM

Hey erika,

No problem. I'm just waiting for them to pay you up. I've sent the reports you've made. I clearly understand your situation and if I were in your shoes, I'd do the same.

Seems like time flies fast. You were like a full member before and now, you're a hero member already! Congrats to that!

Quote from: CEG5952 on June 06, 2016, 09:13:39 AM

Hi erika!

I'm so sorry I just got back from a huge sudden vacation. I was actually 'fired' on my work for awhile and now got it back. So let us settle this once and for all shall we? Send me all of the reports you have and the payment option you want.

After sending the above two messages, he was online till October but still never honored his payment. I left a trust rating in Feb on his account and today he sent this message:

Quote from: CEG5952 on January 03, 2017, 09:21:20 AM

Good , Day My name is Serge.
We bougt this account year ago, and my worker was handling this account.
As i see now, he lied to you and actualy you bean doing hes work.. and he got payed for it and you not...
He got fired last week.

Please text me back with full story of what happened.

After this, I asked him to honor the payment on behalf of the owner and he paid me the same: https://blockchain.info/tx/ec6b43ae05441db58cc62f75c77e44b4f3fd050034631471955d53d3a6bcdc99

I removed my trust rating as I received the payment. I did not know that the owner had sold his account as he had replied to me in June and his password was not changed. Today, I can see the email has been changed the this user appears to be another user from his writing style.

This is all I wanted to post here.

I know that CEG... is the original owner of the account as of the day I opened this thread because he had taken out a loan to an address linking him to the original owner of the account 7 days prior to me making this thread.

I won't comment on potential changes in ownership since then as they will not matter.

Now this thread is a revelation...

Archived for future reference: http://archive.is/IWmbZ

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Quote from: erikalui on January 03, 2017, 05:10:35 AM

Quote from: CEG5952 on January 03, 2017, 04:53:44 AM

Hi to everybody
This account was bought around end of 2015, For commenting and posting for project.
It was handled by one of my worker. who was supposed to comment and do posting on forum.
But as fired him a week ago and loged in to this account and started to do a review, he didnt do hes part of work instead he hired erikalui member to do his work, and didnt payed him.( i have payed erikalui today to close this thing.

Now i want to settle the rest what happened here for a year?
This account was sold and i have bought it.
If there is any problem during year 2016 let me know.
But its not my problem what did previous owner did here on forum, when we bought this account everything was ok and trust level as well.

I can confirm that I was paid.

I used to make posts for the user CEG5952 and he used to pay me on time (it was during October 2015-November 2015). He had paid me 3-4 times for my posts and the last batch of posts was sent to him in November for which he owed me 0.03 BTC which he did not pay. He said he would buy bitcoins and then send the payment (on 17th November 2015).

The user again contacted me in June 2016 and sent the following messages:

Quote from: CEG5952 on June 11, 2016, 07:04:12 AM

Hey erika,

No problem. I'm just waiting for them to pay you up. I've sent the reports you've made. I clearly understand your situation and if I were in your shoes, I'd do the same.

Seems like time flies fast. You were like a full member before and now, you're a hero member already! Congrats to that!

Quote from: CEG5952 on June 06, 2016, 09:13:39 AM

Hi erika!

I'm so sorry I just got back from a huge sudden vacation. I was actually 'fired' on my work for awhile and now got it back. So let us settle this once and for all shall we? Send me all of the reports you have and the payment option you want.

After sending the above two messages, he was online till October but still never honored his payment. I left a trust rating in Feb on his account and today he sent this message:

Quote from: CEG5952 on January 03, 2017, 09:21:20 AM

Good , Day My name is Serge.
We bougt this account year ago, and my worker was handling this account.
As i see now, he lied to you and actualy you bean doing hes work.. and he got payed for it and you not...
He got fired last week.

Please text me back with full story of what happened.

After this, I asked him to honor the payment on behalf of the owner and he paid me the same: https://blockchain.info/tx/ec6b43ae05441db58cc62f75c77e44b4f3fd050034631471955d53d3a6bcdc99

I removed my trust rating as I received the payment. I did not know that the owner had sold his account as he had replied to me in June and his password was not changed. Today, I can see the email has been changed the this user appears to be another user from his writing style.

This is all I wanted to post here.

I know that CEG... is the original owner of the account as of the day I opened this thread because he had taken out a loan to an address linking him to the original owner of the account 7 days prior to me making this thread.

I won't comment on potential changes in ownership since then as they will not matter.

erikalui

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Quote from: CEG5952 on January 03, 2017, 04:53:44 AM

Hi to everybody
This account was bought around end of 2015, For commenting and posting for project.
It was handled by one of my worker. who was supposed to comment and do posting on forum.
But as fired him a week ago and loged in to this account and started to do a review, he didnt do hes part of work instead he hired erikalui member to do his work, and didnt payed him.( i have payed erikalui today to close this thing.

Now i want to settle the rest what happened here for a year?
This account was sold and i have bought it.
If there is any problem during year 2016 let me know.
But its not my problem what did previous owner did here on forum, when we bought this account everything was ok and trust level as well.

I can confirm that I was paid.

I used to make posts for the user CEG5952 and he used to pay me on time (it was during October 2015-November 2015). He had paid me 3-4 times for my posts and the last batch of posts was sent to him in November for which he owed me 0.03 BTC which he did not pay. He said he would buy bitcoins and then send the payment (on 17th November 2015).

The user again contacted me in June 2016 and sent the following messages:

Quote from: CEG5952 on June 11, 2016, 07:04:12 AM

Hey erika,

No problem. I'm just waiting for them to pay you up. I've sent the reports you've made. I clearly understand your situation and if I were in your shoes, I'd do the same.

Seems like time flies fast. You were like a full member before and now, you're a hero member already! Congrats to that!

Quote from: CEG5952 on June 06, 2016, 09:13:39 AM

Hi erika!

I'm so sorry I just got back from a huge sudden vacation. I was actually 'fired' on my work for awhile and now got it back. So let us settle this once and for all shall we? Send me all of the reports you have and the payment option you want.

After sending the above two messages, he was online till October but still never honored his payment. I left a trust rating in Feb on his account and today he sent this message:

Quote from: CEG5952 on January 03, 2017, 09:21:20 AM

Good , Day My name is Serge.
We bougt this account year ago, and my worker was handling this account.
As i see now, he lied to you and actualy you bean doing hes work.. and he got payed for it and you not...
He got fired last week.

Please text me back with full story of what happened.

After this, I asked him to honor the payment on behalf of the owner and he paid me the same: https://blockchain.info/tx/ec6b43ae05441db58cc62f75c77e44b4f3fd050034631471955d53d3a6bcdc99

I removed my trust rating as I received the payment. I did not know that the owner had sold his account as he had replied to me in June and his password was not changed. Today, I can see the email has been changed the this user appears to be another user from his writing style.

This is all I wanted to post here.

CEG5952

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Hi to everybody
This account was bought around end of 2015, For commenting and posting for project.
It was handled by one of my worker. who was supposed to comment and do posting on forum.
But as fired him a week ago and loged in to this account and started to do a review, he didnt do hes part of work instead he hired erikalui member to do his work, and didnt payed him.( i have payed erikalui today to close this thing.

Now i want to settle the rest what happened here for a year?
This account was sold and i have bought it.
If there is any problem during year 2016 let me know.
But its not my problem what did previous owner did here on forum, when we bought this account everything was ok and trust level as well.

Quickseller

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It looks like that CEG5952 has defaulted on this loan

Quickseller

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Quote from: CEG5952 on October 26, 2015, 04:25:06 AM

He gave me the private keys to the oldest wallet he has here.

lol. The "proof" that you provided says otherwise Roll Eyes

You have also requested for money to be sent to that same address multiple times since your "purchased" your account which is not the expected behavior of someone in your position.

CEG5952

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The account was sold. He gave me the private keys to the oldest wallet he has here. And now he took the money from it. What a shame.

Yes I am xarca and I bought this account as I've provided proof to QuickSeller.

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Quote from: Blazr on October 12, 2015, 02:22:13 PM

Quote from: CEG5952 on October 12, 2015, 11:24:40 AM

I'm not really affected by your accusation. My conscience is clean and yours are tarnished. You are just pulling everyone down as much as you could with your downfall. Anyway, I just saw this thread and wanted to post and mess around quickseller abit. Man I really thought you were legit but it seems that you turned out to be the hidden devil of the community after all.

And no I'm not poeEDgar just so we are clear (I know you know it). No matter how much you push me down, I won't take your bait nor anyone on this board will believe in you again. Sorry man but that's just how it is. Trust farming for myself? Not really my genre mate. I don't even find it profitable on a large scale.

If you aren't poeEDgar then he must have sold the account. Did you buy this account? do you have any records of the sale?

The account is not sold. The screenshots in the OP were given by CEG and I uploaded them to imgur to reduce the chances of them being deleted by the previous hosting site. There is blockchain evidence that he received BTC both before and after the sale, including both within a week ago and when the account was newly created.

Edit: here is the most relevant PM from CEG

Quote from: CEG5952 on September 26, 2015, 05:06:02 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on September 26, 2015, 04:06:21 AM

Quote from: CEG5952 on September 25, 2015, 07:33:15 AM

Hey QS.

I didn't really messed with you or your issues around the board. This account has been bought long time from poe. I could show you proof of purchase. I didn't really want any negative feedback as i just want to establish this account well.

Sure, just give me screenshots of all the relevant PM's documenting the sale of your account as well as the txid's and I will investigate and remove the negative trust as appropriate.

Regards
QS

Here's the TxID

https://blockchain.info/tx/cc5a658bc681b392f6dec4f1ff22e935ec581127d91ce399a83bbe888f36bf8e

At this screenshot, he offered me the account(s) he have for sale.
http://i57.tinypic.com/2w65uuv.png

Negotiating
http://i61.tinypic.com/2ro11n9.png
http://i60.tinypic.com/348pmco.png

After jumping on the price that we both agreed on, we decided to pick Master-P as our escrow.

Escrow terms
http://i60.tinypic.com/p38ds.png
http://i62.tinypic.com/68efzk.png

Escrow confirmed
http://i60.tinypic.com/20fswhy.png
http://i59.tinypic.com/v6q0wg.png

Escrow sent me the account details
http://i58.tinypic.com/2hx7j8y.png

That's pretty much it.

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Quote from: CEG5952 on October 12, 2015, 11:24:40 AM

I'm not really affected by your accusation. My conscience is clean and yours are tarnished. You are just pulling everyone down as much as you could with your downfall. Anyway, I just saw this thread and wanted to post and mess around quickseller abit. Man I really thought you were legit but it seems that you turned out to be the hidden devil of the community after all.

And no I'm not poeEDgar just so we are clear (I know you know it). No matter how much you push me down, I won't take your bait nor anyone on this board will believe in you again. Sorry man but that's just how it is. Trust farming for myself? Not really my genre mate. I don't even find it profitable on a large scale.

If you aren't poeEDgar then he must have sold the account. Did you buy this account? do you have any records of the sale?

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Quote from: ndnh on October 12, 2015, 11:27:44 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on October 12, 2015, 07:33:24 AM

If you look at the above timeline then you will see that poeEDgar signed a message from his address which shows the addresses are not part of some kind of service or website.

Yes, I noticed. poeEDgar controls the address in question.

if he controls the address in question, then he must also control any other address that signed the same transaction that poeEDgar's address signed. That logic goes on forever until you have found all the addresses that have signed the same tx (excluding coinjoin transactions). Therefore all of the above people are alts of eachother because each of the addresses have signed at least one transaction that at least one other of their transactions has signed.

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Quote from: Blazr on October 12, 2015, 07:06:25 AM

I would then recommend you make a new thread and ask Bitcoin experts if those two addresses are part of the same wallet and what that actually means, and then you should be able to determine for yourself how likely it is that they are the same person. To me its pretty clear that these accounts are the same person however you need to be able to understand the evidence to determine that for yourself. I don't see how you can say it isn't strong evidence when you clearly do not understand it.

I am not stupid. Roll Eyes

Does not support accusation:

Quote from: Blazr on October 12, 2015, 06:40:03 AM

https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/008079b36d4fdaef/addresses

As you can see those 3 addresses are in the same wallet.

Supports the accusation:

Quote from: Blazr on October 12, 2015, 06:55:29 AM

https://blockchain.info/tx/18889c17d0e46e5323699a97b3d195a3905dfb327c0aade66cbc0550591f4693

https://blockchain.info/tx/0d399b5c652c65b62b6c141943a52b5d5e694a98fe5ee8b7d2cce2523eebdc11

Quote from: Quickseller on October 12, 2015, 07:33:24 AM

If you look at the above timeline then you will see that poeEDgar signed a message from his address which shows the addresses are not part of some kind of service or website.

Yes, I noticed. poeEDgar controls the address in question.

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Quote from: CEG5952 on October 12, 2015, 11:24:40 AM

And no I'm not poeEDgar just so we are clear (I know you know it).

There is blockchain evidence that says that you are poeEDgar....

edit: magic8ball was also warned about this prior to you getting your loan, so I really don't see any reason why anyone should wait for you to repay your loan to him before leaving you negative trust considering that he was aware of the accusation prior to funding the loan, and even acknowledged it...

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I'm not really affected by your accusation. My conscience is clean and yours are tarnished. You are just pulling everyone down as much as you could with your downfall. Anyway, I just saw this thread and wanted to post and mess around quickseller abit. Man I really thought you were legit but it seems that you turned out to be the hidden devil of the community after all.

And no I'm not poeEDgar just so we are clear (I know you know it). No matter how much you push me down, I won't take your bait nor anyone on this board will believe in you again. Sorry man but that's just how it is. Trust farming for myself? Not really my genre mate. I don't even find it profitable on a large scale.

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There are no coinjoin transactions in the wallet in question. If there were then the wallet would show as being in MtGox and others, although after a certain point then wallet explorer will exclude the transactions from belonging together (either way it will not show a CJ address as part of a small wallet).

If you look at the above timeline then you will see that poeEDgar signed a message from his address which shows the addresses are not part of some kind of service or website.

Careful consideration were given to make sure no sold accounts (that actually changed ownership, and not simply passing through an escrow in an attempt to farm trust) were tagged.

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Quote from: ndnh on October 12, 2015, 06:58:47 AM

But still I am not sure that presents a strong evidence to support the accusation.

I would then recommend you make a new thread and ask Bitcoin experts if those two addresses are part of the same wallet and what that actually means, and then you should be able to determine for yourself how likely it is that they are the same person. To me its pretty clear that these accounts are the same person however you need to be able to understand the evidence to determine that for yourself. I don't see how you can say it isn't strong evidence when you clearly do not understand it.

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Quote from: Blazr on October 12, 2015, 06:55:29 AM

Quote from: ndnh on October 12, 2015, 06:49:00 AM

It doesn't work. My bitcoin address shows as part of https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/MtGoxAndOthers Tongue

Maybe rely on sensible sites?

This is kind of offtopic. I would recommend you make a new thread fi you want to ask how to determine if two addresses are in the same wallet. The website does work.

https://blockchain.info/tx/18889c17d0e46e5323699a97b3d195a3905dfb327c0aade66cbc0550591f4693

This tx shows 1D2vzaHSedPqRuwMaHQHGsdgBgMQoyeshd (poedgar) and 1CzG3gGAkSy1Tpq4SDbQRF1bP8AVH3r2bg are in the same wallet.

https://blockchain.info/tx/0d399b5c652c65b62b6c141943a52b5d5e694a98fe5ee8b7d2cce2523eebdc11

This tx shows 1CzG3gGAkSy1Tpq4SDbQRF1bP8AVH3r2bg and 1GFLGFz7c9GE8ZGffZ6xS3Wp3crQyyLLvH (habeler) are in the same wallet

hehe, yeah may be. Cheesy

Well, all the few addresses I checked showed some weird wallet (most often MtGoxandothers) may be because sharedcoin transactions distorted the data.

But still I am not sure that presents a strong evidence to support the accusation.

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Quote from: ndnh on October 12, 2015, 06:49:00 AM

It doesn't work. My bitcoin address shows as part of https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/MtGoxAndOthers Tongue

Maybe rely on sensible sites?

This is kind of offtopic. I would recommend you make a new thread if you want to ask how to determine if two addresses are in the same wallet. The website does work. If you get the response MtGoxAndOthers then that means your address is part of a websites wallet or you used coinjoin or another mixer that works similarly.

https://blockchain.info/tx/18889c17d0e46e5323699a97b3d195a3905dfb327c0aade66cbc0550591f4693

This tx shows 1D2vzaHSedPqRuwMaHQHGsdgBgMQoyeshd (poedgar) and 1CzG3gGAkSy1Tpq4SDbQRF1bP8AVH3r2bg are in the same wallet.

https://blockchain.info/tx/0d399b5c652c65b62b6c141943a52b5d5e694a98fe5ee8b7d2cce2523eebdc11

This tx shows 1CzG3gGAkSy1Tpq4SDbQRF1bP8AVH3r2bg and 1GFLGFz7c9GE8ZGffZ6xS3Wp3crQyyLLvH (habeler) are in the same wallet

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Quote from: Blazr on October 12, 2015, 06:40:03 AM

Quote from: ndnh on October 12, 2015, 06:37:26 AM

I didn't quite get it. Any hints?

Quote from: Blazr on October 12, 2015, 06:08:27 AM

...all of those addresses belong to the same Bitcoin wallet ...

tx?

1D2vzaHSedPqRuwMaHQHGsdgBgMQoyeshd has just 2 transactions.

This website groups addresses into wallets:

https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/008079b36d4fdaef/addresses

As you can see those 3 addresses are in the same wallet.

It doesn't work. My bitcoin address shows as part of https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/MtGoxAndOthers Tongue

Maybe rely on sensible sites?

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Quote from: Blazr on October 12, 2015, 06:08:27 AM

I have long been suspicious of this user and his alts. This one looks pretty clear cut, all of those addresses belong to the same Bitcoin wallet and reviewing the posts of each account shows many more indications they belong to the same person. There is plenty of evidence to show that CEG and Habeler are alts of PoeEDgar. He tried to escrow for himself, even though he is of the opinion that this is deceptive and fraudulent. The fact that he would attempt to do something that he preaches is untrustworthy says it all. This is much worse than "faking an escrow" because he attempted to fake the entire trade pretending to be all parties in the trade. Clearly shows him to be a dishonest hypocrite.

Quote from: poeEDgar on October 09, 2015, 02:36:45 PM

Escrowing deals as one of the interested parties under the pretense of being a disinterested third party is deceptive and fraudulent.

Another potential alt:

AceWallen
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/acewallen-131681
https://archive.is/VOh9Y
Bitcoin address on profile page is in the same wallet as the other alts.

Yup that checks out. I previously had a larger list of connections, however that were for the most part repetitive, but I lost the list while I was in the process of archiving the posts so I was going off the recent saves on archive.is and memory.

poeEDgar is 100% a hypocrite for giving trust to himself and advertising that his alts escrow his own (fake) deals

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