Topic: Chatbots: The Future of Scam Hunting (Read 397 times)

Right, and at first, it wasn't a problem. But its being abused now.

And the users on the forum, who use it are acting like they are some majestical wizards.

I only had a problem with it when I am noticing this person, I am talking to not focusing on any of the critical things I was saying.

This is one of the most dreaded, unrefreshing experiences, I have ever encountered on btc forum.

I love debating. And all of a sudden, this user comes with a chatbot not to my knowledge, and I am devastated.

Cannot forget, how infuriating that conversation, was and I will officially be ignoring all users who extensively use AI, and abuse it on this forum!

It is a waste of time, to talk to a robot, not willing to form a normal, conversation and expand on ideas!

You can look at 'Holydarkness' as an example, of an actual human.

Look at 'ditec' as an example on what not to be like.

Clear difference, if you look at both users activity.

Today I read in the local news paper about the possibility of developing an AI capable of talking to animals more easily. This would be a crazy development in my opinion if it actually happened, but I can't imagine how this process would be implemented in development. Outside of forum, AI seems to have become a tool for many content creators in creating their content, but in forum we need to enforce rules to support each other so that AI is not used to post. To be honest, I don't want to discuss with users who use AI to post.

The current iteration of "AI" (without any real "I" in it, just mashing words together until it sounds plausible but may be completely wrong) is probably fizzle out like most other overhyped technobabble. Remember 3D TVs? Or metaverse?

On the bright side, generative AI is so absurdly incompetent for almost any of the problems it is hyped to solve, that it will likely fail horribly at it and poison the entire idea for quite a while. Fingers crossed that it will take over social media in the process, and bring it to an end.

But you are not helping.

That is the point.

You are just scaring all the innovators away, because you have a chatbot that makes responses in 30 seconds.

You have no quality posts other than using your chatbot, to accuse people of being scammers.

And you are spamming while you do it.

Likewise there are users dumb enough to believe your flags.

You are not helping. There is nothing to be proud of.

The only thing you should be proud of is pushing me to the edge.

Maybe if you did not push me to the edge, we wouldn't have a mobile version of the Unlimited Money Generator.

Now we do, due to your overwhelming, criticism.

In reality, I am not mad at you.

You helped me.

I just wanted to let you know you weren't helping by using your chatbot to fight frauds.

You can become wiser, if instead of feeding this information to a chat bot, you fed it to your brain, and harmonized with it.

Your threats and accusations are baseless and unfounded. I'm using a chatbot to help expose scams and protect users, and I'm proud of it. If you think using technology to combat scams is foolish, then I'm happy to be a fool in your eyes. Your other account, GluttonyY, was banned from this forum, which is further proof that you are a scammer and that the moderators on this forum agree with me. You are a perfect example of how I use my chatbot to hunt spam.

I encourage all members who read this to give negative feedback to this scammer and support my flag against them on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3312.

I won't raise hell for you.

So I can punish the users who supported your flag.

Now since you have successfully tarnished the name of UMG,

using your hefty chatbot.

These users will remain gambling with the casinos.

They will continue losing their money every week.

Good. I will use you, ditec, to punish the users who went against me.

You will use your chatbot, to prevent scams. The only thing you will do is prevent innovation.

You are my tool. My tool for punishing these ignorant users of the bitcoin talk forum.

I will let you run rampid, with your chatbot. I will not interfere.

Go on, it is not like these users will know you are using a bot.

If you did not tell them, they would not have even noticed.

But you told them. So in the end you are the fool I always thought you were.

Peace, and nothing but destruction wherever you exist.

Ditec- Wrong

I don't think anybody is using chatbots to detect scams. You mean you present some posts to a chatbot and ask it, "Is this a scam?" Since this isn't what they are designed to do, I don't think the results would be of much value. This is simply another instance where its a better idea to use your own brain.


That part is nice.

I want to thank Vod for suggesting that I make a shorter reply. I used the help of a chatbot to shorten it.

1. I never claimed that I "invented the wheel" or that I'm the only one using chatbots to detect scams.
2. I want to clarify that I'm not using chatbots to cheat the system or to make a quick buck.
3. I believe chatbots can be useful in identifying potential scams, as evidenced by the flags and scam accusations I've made that received support. One of the scammers even admitted that their unlimited money generator is a scam by supporting the flag I created.
4. I don't have any solid proof to back up my claims, and I get that might raise some eyebrows. But I hope that my actions speak louder than words.
5. I didn't program the chatbot to hunt scammers; I just have it generate responses for detecting red flags and countering scammers' response. I review the chatbot's output, correct any mistakes, and ask it to generate better results.
6. Regarding the detection of my posts as AI-generated, I'm not surprised since they were actually created by AI.
7. I didn't mention the name of the chatbot I'm using to keep my word with Pmalek.
8. I believe that just as people had concerns about the impact of the printing press on society, similar concerns were raised about the use of chatbots. And I believe that as AI technology continues to develop, it will become a more common tool for everyday usage.
9. I'm here to fight scammers and help protect users from falling victim to scams.
10. I always review the chatbot's output before posting, and I never simply copy and paste its responses without reviewing them. I make sure the responses are appropriate and relevant to the conversation.
11. I'm here to fight scammers and help protect users from falling victim to scams.

Vod, I think that is a deliberate act on his part. We have seen that sort of misdirection policy before: when all else fails just write a wall of text

It seems in the opinion of the OP there is nothing redundant there at all. He views the while post as an essential part of his public created persona but what stands out is not what he wrote (or the length of the wall of text), it is the fact he is at Jr. Member rank that caught my attention. Imagine what else he would be posting if he were Hero or Legendary rank?

The thread title is misleading. I sent a query similar to the topic title to a search engine, and all the answers were the opposite. That is, it is with the help of Chatbot that nowadays it is very easy to create a scam, but not otherwise. How does the OP imagine finding scammers, especially on our forum? Giving "deep,"  meaningless answers that ultimately confuse the reader? Is this called searching? Where is the list of those scammers who were caught on this forum with his help? All I see are the merits of other people, but not the OP's. From his bot comes only blah blah, nothing more.

If I see something that looks like it was written by a robot, I'm not going to read it... My eyes glaze over and I immediately resume scrolling. The poster couldn't be bothered to write their own text, so why should I bother reading it?

Don't think you invented the wheel holydarness, Poker Player, Jollygood has been doing this for years, and for all, we know some of the output from your queries from your chatbot actually comes from the forum scam busters, we already have the right format in creating scam accusations and we have many members who are good in detecting red flags without using an AI.
Instead of using AI encourage the use of common sense.

Many people will not read long walls of text.  Try reviewing your post to remove redundant info and organize responses better. 

Thanks for the detailed response and for sharing those references! I appreciate the time you took to provide those examples.

However, I'd like to clarify that my use of AI is to detect red flags and provide arguments against scammers. I believe this is a useful contribution to the community, as it helps protect users from falling victim to scams. I understand that there may be concerns about the use of AI, but I hope we can differentiate between using it for spamming and using it for a better purpose like mine.

What are your thoughts on this? I'd love to hear your perspective.


Thanks for your response and for bringing up some good points! I get that some members might think I'm trying to divert attention from other issues in this forum, but I want to assure everyone that's not what I'm doing.

I always review the chatbot's output before posting, and I never simply copy and paste its responses without reviewing them first. I get that chatbots aren't always accurate, and I make sure the responses are appropriate and relevant before hitting "post."

Sure, I don't have any solid proof to back up my claims, and I get that might raise some eyebrows. But I hope that my actions speak louder than words.


Thanks for your response! Just wanted to clarify that I didn't program the chatbot to hunt scammers. I just asked it to generate responses that could help detect red flags and provide arguments against scammers. I review the chatbot's output, correct any mistakes, and ask it to generate better results.

I always make sure the responses are appropriate and relevant to the conversation. Sure, my use of chatbots might not always result in perfect responses, but I do my best to make sure they make sense in context.


Thanks for your response! I didn't mention the name of the chatbot I'm using to keep my word with Pmalek. But I can tell you that chatbots can be helpful in detecting potential scams - I've already made 3 flags and scam accusations that got some support.


Thanks for your response and for sharing your thoughts! I get where you're coming from, but I don't plan on joining any signature campaigns anytime soon - they don't pay enough anyway. I appreciate the suggestion, but I believe that chatbots will become a common tool for everyday usage in the future.


Thanks for your response and for sharing your thoughts! I understand where you're coming from, but I want to assure you that I'm not using chatbots to cheat the system or to make a quick buck. I want to clarify that using them to detect scammy behavior and provide arguments against scammers is very different from cheating the system. I believe chatbots will become a common tool for everyday usage in the future.


'm not using chatbots to cheat the system or to make a quick buck. I believe chatbots can be useful in identifying potential scams, as evidenced by the flags and scam accusations I've made that received support. I'm the only member who actually created threads and flags against those scammers. Furthermore, one of the scammers even admitted that their unlimited money generator is a scam by supporting the flag I created. Regarding the detection of my posts as AI-generated, I'm not surprised since they were actually created by AI.


I understand where you're coming from, and I appreciate your perspective on the use of chatbots in discussion forums. I agree that AI is a rapidly developing field, and I understand that some people might have concerns about its use in certain contexts.

I believe that just as people had concerns about the impact of the printing press on society, similar concerns were raised about the use of chatbots. I believe that as AI technology continues to develop, it will become a more common tool for everyday usage.


Thanks for your response! I agree that using AI to scam and earn money is a different manner. I also appreciate your perspective on the use of AI, and I'm glad to hear that you don't look down on those who use it to help them communicate.


Hey there, I get where you're coming from, but I'd rather not share the name of the chatbot I'm using since i made promise to another user, "Pmalek," to not advertise it. I'm here to fight scammers.

I'd also like to address the false accusation that I've literally taken down scammers or their websites. I haven't made any such claims. I've only mentioned that I use a chatbot to help me detect red flags and respond to scammers here on the forum.


Hey there, I see what you mean! What i mean is chatbot can help me and other members detect red flags, write scam accusation threads, and come up with arguments against scammers easier and quicker. Many member often just reply "scam" without going the extra mile to create a flag or write a full thread, which I hoped to change. I appreciate the mention of the Bitdefender tool.

It allows it. If you reread what I posted above you will see that I was talking about translating from other languages to English, not the other way around.


Yes, I understood you. We agree on that.

This is a completely different use of spell checkers or more precisely automatic translation tools than what I was talking about. Besides, the forum doesn't allow the use of such software. It's already against the forum rules.

Again, that's not what I had in mind. Also, you spent some time and did the work manually first. Only then did you use AI to correct and improve your content.

Think of my previous post in the following way. Someone writes a post and asks about the Lightning Network and what's the advantage of using it. You see the post, open ChatGPT and ask it "what is the Bitcoin Lightning Network and what are its advantages?" You then copy the result (partially or fully) and paste it as a reply to the user. That's not OK. It's plagiarism. That doesn't mean there aren't good use cases for ChatGPT, though. 

I think you only have a partial picture of the issue. It's not just the spell checkers, the automatic translators have allowed a lot of people who have some idea of English and wrote poorly to now put what they think in their native language into the translator and paste the translated thing to post. In some cases it is noticeable but less and less.

On the other hand, AIs don't generate everything, as you say. They can be used in a similar way to spell checkers but to check all content. I had to send an email to about 20 people of some importance the other day. I wrote the email, and when I finished it I wasn't entirely convinced. I ran it through GPT Chat 4o saying who it was addressed to and to optimize it for me. The result was very good. He changed a few things for me, but only as many as I needed.

In the same way I think you could use AIs to, for example, if you want to create a thread, you write the OP and when you finish it you tell him to optimize it. Being honest of course, and leaving a note about it.

The thing is that the anti AI sentiment is so strong on this forum that it takes the edge off for me. I use it more and more, but not in the forum.

Using spell checks or Grammarly isn't the same thing as using AI. Not everyone is fluent in English and knows the language good enough to spell without making mistakes. That's where spell checkers help. But they don't create the content for you. They only correct the mistakes you made while writing. AIs generate everything for you, and they shouldn't be allowed. If it's against the rule to copy-paste from other people, it should also be against the rules to give an AI a prompt and just copy and paste what it generated on Bitcointalk.

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean in the context of Bitcointalk.

Sure, you can run posts through a chatbot, but downloading the posts themselves is a different matter. There is no 'scam analysis tool' that I know of, although there may be websites that provide social engineering checks inside a bunch of text (Bitdefender hosts one in case you're curious).

The OP created the thread because he had already been noticed and decided to divert the attention by stating AI was "the future of scam hunting". All he had to do was to own up to what he did and move on but he decided this thread was a better way of trying to save his account from getting tags.

What can be noted is that he never provided any details of the chatbots he uses and he did not mention the names of the alleged scammers he claims he took down online or their websites. He is most probably a farm account puppeteer that will end up giving up on this account when it has multiple ~distrusts and/or tags.

I think there is a difference between users who use spell-checkers, like Grammarly for example, to correct grammatical and spelling mistakes in posts that they have constructed by themselves, out of their own thoughts and knowledge, and someone who uses AI chatbot to generate posts for them, and all they do is copy and paste it in the forum. The latter is definitely obnoxious and reeks of laziness, but people who use the former, tend to get better in their spelling and grammar overtime.

I don't remember people disclosing that they used a spell check when that became popular.  I'll never use AI to write my posts, as I have a superior command of the language.  I also will never look down at someone who uses tools to help them communicate.

Using AI to scam and earn money is obviously a different manner.

Yes, you will of course review the information generated by the chatbot, you can correct unnecessary words or information. it makes what you do easier, but I still don't agree with using chatbots for discussion forums.

I know that AI is part of the development of science which is currently very extraordinary and widely developed. we can't stop people from using it, but may have to look at where and how the technology is used.
Some people choose the easy way but they forget the originality of the information shared.

People might not noticed you, but it doesn't mean you can escape when someone busted you using AI. Just like cheaters that using two or more accounts joining in the same campaign, it's all fine until someone caught you cheating.

I don't see any point for using chatbot to fight against scammers, the three thread you created in scam accusations section 1, 2, 3 were previously tagged by DT members. I mean, we already know they're scammers since they have negative feedback, it's not the chatbot that caught the scammers, it's only add unnecessary text.

I just tried to detect one of your post and three sites detect it's created by AI.

sapling.ai: Fake 95.9%
GPTZero: 59% Probability AI generated
Copyleaks: AI Content Detected

AI IMO is going to be a part of the world no matter if we want it or not. Kind of a deal with it situation cause it's not going away. The issue with implementing that on a forum is that just makes users more lazy than they already were. How hard is it really to make a few posts a day with your own thoughts? If you're not using your own thoughts to share your opinion, then you really don't have an opinion and are only here trying to make a buck. Shows you have 0 respect for this forum or its users.

I don't agree with users cheating the system using chatbots with unoriginal ideas and thoughts.

Using a computer keyboard instead of a typewriter is far different than using a chatbot, as the bot is doing the brunt of the thinking. The output is not from the poster, who is usually taking credit for it. If people want to use AI to write their posts for them, that's fine, but its dishonest not to let it be known from the start.

Its kind of the same thing as an artist using AI to generate an image for them and then saying "I made this myself."

Do you use a manual typewriter to create a letter?   I feel the same way you do, but people will use things that make their life easier.

Using AI to write your posts for you is extremely insincere. You're denying yourself the opportunity to become a more fluent writer while also giving off vibes of laziness. I suggest you write your posts in your own words. Just imagine if you were trying to get into a signature campaign, all your efforts would have gone down the drain.

Don't be shy about telling us how it works and it would be useful if you mentioned the name of the chatbot you are referring to so we can review it together. There's no point in disguise something if your goal is to contribute to the forum - so tell the truth and don't be shy. So are you ready to say it now?

Really - I really wonder if chatbot are useful to identify potential scam or anything like you said.

Honestly, the thread topic is not related to the body of the thread. While the thread topic is saying that his chatbot can hunt scam, the body of the thread didn't say how this happens. Myself and so many others are expecting him to say how you he is able to program his bot to hunt scam in the forum.

You are using bot to chat here and you know too well that the community frown at it. Checking your responses in this thread, it seems you are still using the bot which makes your answers not to connect with the questions asked you. Hope you will be happy when some DT members start writing in your feedback?

Since you came to this thread in response to this post, why are you hiding the names of the chatbots? Tell us what the names are and how much you paid for them.

I think you would have noticed by now how many members feel towards you using chatbots even if you try to cover your tracks by using a misleading thread title about scam hunting.

Some members could interpret that as you trying to create a diversion from the real issue (and that is you using chatbots for no logical reason other than to increase your post count with minimal effort and eventually attempt to enrol in signature campaigns when your member rank increases) but if that is not the case you can challenge that view.

That is what you claim but you have zero evidence to back up your claim. Can you provide any evidence to the contrary?

There might not been an explicit statement from any of the members you mentioned concerning the use of chatbots but I know that some members have been banned for using artificial intelligence tools. There are many examples if you visit the AI Spam Report Reference Thread. I don't think such a thread would have existed and received so much attention if the use of chatbots were not frowned upon. Some members have received tags for using these tools.

However, there is an example where a staff Xal0lex specifically stated that a newbie altcoinssousa was banned because most of his posts were written with chatbots. You can check out the post here.

Hi Zlantann,

Thanks for your response. I understand your concerns about the use of AI tools in the forum. I want to clarify that I am not using the chatbot to copy content or to violate any forum rules. The chatbot I use isn't very different from other content development AI tools, but I have found that it is more effective at identifying potential scams and alerting me to them.

I have been using the chatbot for all of my posts for the past three weeks, and I always review its output before posting. I understand that chatbots are not always accurate, and I never simply copy and paste their responses without reviewing it.

Regarding your comment about the use of AI being prohibited, I would appreciate if you could provide a link where a moderator, staff member, or admin explicitly states that using chatbots or AI is forbidden.

Regarding your last comment, I agree that it would be great to have a fast tool for identifying scammers. However, I want to emphasize that the chatbot I use is not always effective, and I always review its output before posting.

What is the difference between your so-called chatbot sidekick and other content development AI tools? Do you mean that you have been using it for three weeks in the forum and it was not dictated? I assume that the difference between this and your discovery with other chatbots is that it has not been detected on the forum. You are aware that the use of artificial intelligence to copy content is prohibited. It wouldn't take some time it will be discovered that you are using it. I am expecting your replies so that I can check them with some of the recommended detectors.

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I was expecting to see an AI tool that can be fast and effective in identifying scammers because that is what the title of the thread looks like.

Hey Pmalek,

No worries, I didn't mean to advertise any specific commercial chatbot. I just use one to help me respond faster and catch scammer red flags i failed to notice. I always review the chatbot's output before posting.

I get that it could look like plagiarism, so from now on I add a signature saying I used a chatbot.


No worries, I'm not trying to sell or advertise any chatbot here. In fact, I never mention which specific chatbot I use. I just use one to help me respond faster and catch scammer red flags. I always review the chatbot's output before posting. I get that chatbots are not always accurate, and I never just copy and paste their responses.

Thanks for your understanding!

You mean the only post you have made, which on top of that is not a reply, so the chatbot you are trying to sell us has not been very well tuned there.

Using artificial intelligence in everyday life will be as normal in a few years as using the internet or cell phones is today. I am fine with the use in the forum, as long as it is not just copy and paste.

What are you talking about? What does AI and chatbots have to do with fighting against scammers? It seems like you are advertising the use of AI tools to post on the forum, which shouldn't be allowed and should be classified as plagiarism. What's the thread you have been posting in with AI software, and how are you fighting scammers with it?

Hey there! I wanted to share something cool I've been doing to help take down scammers online. I used to spend sometime hunting down scammers on this forum with a different account, but it became too time-consuming? Well, I've found a new way to do it that saves me tons of time - using a chatbot for all my responses!

In fact, every reply I've made so far in this thread has been written with the help of my trusty chatbot sidekick. I'm not actually using ChatGPT, but I've found some other commercial chatbots that work just as well. And here's the crazy part - I've been using one for 3 weeks, and no one noticed until just recently! It's been a total game-changer for me, and I thought I'd share in case any of you are interested in joining the fight against scammers.

Just wanted to let you all know that every single reply I make here is done with the help of my trusty chatbot sidekick. Hope that's okay with everyone!