Topic: China bans, Son Jun-ho, 42 others for life for gambling, match-fixing. (Read 610 times)

And just the last month we had a topic in which everyone here was saying that match-fixing doesn't happen in top leagues
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-referees-get-bribed-to-cheat-in-a-match-5507349

Almost everyone was in complete denial a refer or a player could arrange a match in a top league because there are cameras, there is VAR, and so on, now let me remind you what happened and how big this thing was:
- the former vice president of the Chinese Football Association got 11 years
- in March  a former chief of China's soccer association got life in prison
- 10 CFA officials under scrutiny in different cases
- 61 people directly involved in the cases, 43 convicted
- 20 matches, 128 criminal suspects, and 41 football clubs
- just one of the cases involves $10 million in bribes

And as I said just one month ago everyone thought something even remotely close to this scale would be impossible, and in another thread, there was no visible problem with somebody owning more clubs, now adding that one to the corruption here and think what it would lead to!


The club involved Shandong Taishan is owned by State Grid Corporation of China, completely state owned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shandong_Taishan_F.C.
Most clubs are state or province-owned through government companies!

Well you know, money is everything.

When the police caught a scandal, they need to bring something to the public. In this case there are two entities i.e. the player and the casino, if both of them can bribe the police, they will be fine. But, they need to find someone who willing to be the "perpetrator", of course this will make them lose their reputation.

Yes, I always have those suspicion and it's actually true that some of those bad actors have hands with some bookies as they use them to alter the supposed results of matches. With this their evil activity, they cause innocent and genuine players to lose their money. The worst part of the situation is that, it's only the football officials or players that gets caught, they don't mention the casinos they are working with.

It’ll ruin the league, plain and simple. And once the league’s destroyed, the experience for the fans is gone too. That's why this kind of thing shouldn’t happen, because it's the fans who are really keeping the league alive. Without us watching, that league wouldn’t exist, and they wouldn’t make any money.

It's a shame they get so greedy, feeling the need to deceive people just to serve their own interests. I think this calls for much harsher punishments to really send a message and make an example out of them.

I believe they have been doing this for quite a long time already, which means with that long span of time, a lot of people and gambling establishments may have been  involved already. If the case will be more investigated, it's more likely that there will be more prominent people that will come out that are protecting this anomaly.

Lifetime banning may be a hard sanction already, but I think it's not yet enough. At least they should also be in prison and pay their wrongdoings and should serve a lesson that everything that is done wrongly under the table  will never succeed in the long run. There's always comes a time that they will get sanctioned and put into jail, thus losing their freedom in exchange for their bad deeds.

This happens everywhere, it is just that many leagues decide to hide this information as this will hinder the trust of the fans on the fairness of the competition, and casinos do not want this to be found either as the losses they will suffer will be way higher than whatever those scammers could get out of them, it is only when things get out of control when you could see someone taking actions against those criminals, and make no mistake, that is exactly what they are as people are losing money due to their manipulations and they deserve to go to jail.

Those who are greedy are greedy; they will never learn such a type of news. It can only make them stop what they are doing at that point in time, and after that time they will start all over again.
 
Some can even go as far as saying that those who were caught are because there is a loophole among themselves, which could probably be the reason why they get caught without thinking about it in the other way that nothing is always forever hidden.

What a big disappointment for him and that is what greed normally do to people that are not wise and want to make extra money from people's sweat. This is a bad example for other players too that are involved in this kind of activities. I just hope everyone will learn from this and make corrections as soon as possible. China is one country that I liked and they are very strict when it comes to corruption. The country has been trying so hard to bring many corrupt people to book and the penalties are very severe. How I wish other countries too will learn from Chinese anger against infidelity and corruption.

This is pathetic, Son Jun-ho started well in his career and ended badly due to greed. I wonder what else these internationally known players who have been so blessed still want in life that causes this greed. I hope others will learn from his predicament. Shame!



I don't have doubts about match-fixing and its effect on the outcome of any match, but I still wonder how potent it could be on the intended outcome and bettings when it's not all the team members who are privy to the act.

If it were to be for gambling, players should only be suspended for years in my opinion to serve as a deterrent for them. But if it's match-fixing, it's fraud they committed, they should all be jailed for it.

I've heard this allegation many times but I don't believe it.

Match fixing is bad. First I don't know if  the accused actually was involved or not but what I think is that a ban for life is a fair punishment for those who are caught. Match fixing has far reaching and damaging effects on the game, the club, the bookies, fans, and even those who gamble. It should be frowned at and the ban for life is very fair compared to being thrown in jail. Unfortunately, it happens so much in smaller leagues that FIFA or the sports body may not even have the time to look into or follow up with it. Match fixing is not an individual thing even though it is only an individual who is caught that becomes the scapegoat. So many people are all involved in pulling off a successful match fixing including some very corrupt bookies.

Referees are pretty much involved in match fixing. Below are some excerpts I took from the article: When the man in black goes rogue.

"Ghana banned more than 60 officials who had conspired to fix match results for money. Many of them were secretly filmed accepting bribes by investigative journalist Anas Aremeyaw Anas."

"In June 2004, thirty-three people including nineteen referees of the South African Football Association were arrested on match-fixing charges."

"Last year, three tennis umpires – Anucha Tongplew, Apisit Promchai and Chitchai Srililai – from Thailand were handed life bans for match-fixing and betting offences, including manipulating the official scoring system during matches."

I actually made those few mentions. They're many cases of match fixing in the Italian league, though mainly in the 80's. There's one hilarious case that ended 95-0. The scoreline prompted an investigation and it was later discovered that Cremonese’s goal keeper added sleeping pills in the drinking water of his team mates, just because he wanted to pay off his gambling debts.

I don't think that such deals could be possible with grand players who are earning up to hundred millions of dollar per year ^{(some of them even more)} and  most Premier League players are from  such class. Probably small-time  players from the team of the second or even third division could have such temptation to work with bookies but we don't know for sure this, so to be on the safe side in  your betting affairs it  would be clever to make them  for  Premier League  events.

I agree with the punishment of banning such athletes from the official competitions of the respective sports they play. It encourages the fairness and legitimacy of the outcomes and discourage another greedy athletes from following the same shady path. Further punishments is something to think about. I believe the profit they made fixing matches should be also seized and redistributed to those who were prejudiced by their scheme.

Yes, it's possible. The fact casinos or bookies are the main sponsors of sports industry nowadays triggers a serious alert on this matter.

Pretty much related to the topic I just recently created, Which is easier to rig, point spread or total?

I am referring to the rigging situation. This just proves that rigging really happens, but the league in question is smaller compared to major ones we've mentioned like the NBA, NFL, and MLB. These big leagues are popular worldwide, especially in the US.

For a smaller league like the one in the OP, it's probably easier to get caught since it's more obvious. The bookies in these cases are likely to take a big hit because anyone with inside info on the rigging is almost guaranteed a win. A lifetime ban as punishment seems fair, and honestly, jail time should also be on the table to really teach them a lesson.

I don't know how their regulations are being made strict over there, this is not something i think should have attracted a penalty on that extent, but once a rule is always a rule, we have to go by it, abide it or face the consequence, though it may looks absurd on us, but we have to understand that it is not something that has to do with our personal opinion, but the situation of how things were being done under a particular settings.

I don't know why Son Jun-ho, a Korean national team player, was released after being arrested yesterday, unlike the bribery case involving high-ranking Chinese officials such as Chen Yongliang, Yu Hongchen, Dong Zheng and others, they were sentenced to prison and fines, even though the case is the same as they are corrupt, as is the Chinese national team coach, Li Te, only they are not players, but high-ranking officials.

Son should also be punished like those I mentioned above, regardless of his confession there was pressure, if he didn't commit the bribe he shouldn't have to admit to something he didn't do, that's logic, Bad luck had happened to Son's behavior, his friend had to lose his career in football for the rest of his life, whatever happened, it had happened, the rice had become porridge.

Several cases that I have read about involving cheating between players and bookies have been happening for a long time, such as: Cheating, a history: 10 scandals that rocked the world of sports., Whatever happens, the dealer's payment to those who cheat scandals is greater than the payment after finishing the tournament, the payment to the player.

Anyone involved in match fixing and bribery are indeed supposed to be banned from gambling within the jurisdiction, that makes sense to me, but also it is necessary those people to do time in prison because they committed what is considered to be a serious crime or fraud in the most of the civilized world.
If they were just banned from gambling, that would not stop them from continuing to fix matches, as they could get help from third parties to stake and withdraw the money from bookies and casinos, they would not if they are locked up in prison. Also, I generally have a bad perception and opinion on how the government of China is in general, though I am happy to see they at least take bribery and match fixing seriously enough to take actions against officials and players who are corrupt, one can feel the contrast when one lives in a country where much match fixing takes place and yet, there seems to be no consequence for the criminals involved in it.

Chinese authorities are incredibly courageous to come through with such a large crackdown. It's not just players, but officials too. 41 clubs were faced with arrests and 128 suspects were announced:
http://en.people.cn/n3/2024/0911/c90000-20217840.html

I have never seen such a large round of arrests. Authorities in most countries are rarely involved in their sports scene and actually let the rich people owning the teams write the rules completely, but it seems like China won't let it be that way.

It's also funny that Son Jun-ho would go on to say that he was the target of a forced confession, only to later leave the club in his home country after he was banned for life in China. If he's innocent then why would a club in his home country, who truth be told doesn't have the best relations with china Either, let him go also?

In other words, match fixing has affected the performance of most athletes, which behavior now derails the charisma that once existed in games like football. For instance, players two decades ago, invested more energy and skill into soccer compared to recent day footballers. Who barely, make dramatic moves, or utilize sharp opportunities in the pitch, in one way or another, due to their interest in winning a bet.

The next day from the above article, it said that Son Jun-ho denied if he took a part in match-fixing, however his team already terminated his contract. We still don't know the official statement whether Son Jun-ho really took a part in match-fixing or not.

But, what sure is his career already ruined, just like Benjamin Mendy in Manchester City, after his case is already resolved, he's no longer a same Mendy like when he was in Manchester City.

I didn't know about the case of Juventus and AC Milan If not as you mentioned it like this, but apart from this, I have always suspect that some of these football Leagues have some very corrupt officials that carry out match-fixing and not only that, they employ every possible strategy to make sure their plans is carried out successfully, without even having any sympathy for normal gamblers that's going to lose money on the bet.

Chinas has done the right thing. Anyone who is cheating or trying to cheat must get the most severe punishment. Also it will act as a reminder for others, who were just thinking of dreaming. Imho those cheaters must have been banned everywhere, not in China. That will be a true life lesson for them. Despite ban, it will be good to fine them for the amount they have cheated. Because ban does not help those who were cheated.

That serves them right... You can't eat your cake and have it, never! One thing is certain; these officials know too well the influence of this unusual manipulation in the game, but since it adds to their pockets from different sources, they don't really care about the impact.
I've read a couple of comments above saying the punishment was rather too harsh on them -- have you realized the damage these set of corrupt officials have done in the system so far? Considering the fact that they wouldn't stop on their own unless they were apprehended?

i feel, since this is becoming too rampant and the number of recorded cases have skyrocketed over the years, anyone caught should be fined heavily, banned and made to serve time.
I can assume they don't need to colab with bookmakers... They just need to summon the administrative department of the fixed teams, make a huge payment on bribe for both ends and that's it...

This is what you get for choosing money over the prospect of your carrier. How much can you win from making such level of compromise when you already know that it's against the code of conduct as a sports person?  It's only painful that for sports lovers that supports some of these guys are just doing wo without knowing that we're gradually moving into an era where football is now more about money than real entertainment and fun.

some of them knows the worse case scenario that will happen should they get cought and are already prepared to go off the sporting space to enjoy their money. For the pains and the potential loss they've cost gamblers, they deserve to get at least a few months of jail term
do they need to collaborate with the bookies before outsmarting the result of a game? With one or two causual moves from them, it can just cause them to lose a game or make a game go in the direction they've pre willed it.

Big leagues are having less chances of getting tangled up in such scandals, coming from China, I was not expecting to see such things, I considered them a disciplined country - maybe too much discipline makes them crave for a little freedom. I dont blame them, they are human after all.

This dude was also into another match fixing controversy in 2023 and was detained for the same [1]

On the other hand, this is rampant and openly happening from where I live and nobody gets caught. The clubs here are always getting support from politicians and have been pet goons for the same too. When they are not playing they are doing all sorts of debauchery.

Still at least some sort of harsh punishment needs to be done for wrongdoing players like these. It his second rodeo after all.

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[1] https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20230515004200315

Its reasonable for the fact that they are engaging with illegal activities that can affect the result of the game. Banning for life is good actions towards this kind of activities so that no other players or connected to that sports would follow their actions. The decision made by China surely create huge fear to those people who's not yet doing this since for sure their career will be ruined especially if they receive this ban since for sure that they cannot get decent pays especially if those players got ban from big leagues.

This kind of activities is not effective since we are now living on digital era. All people have camera and can able to speak on social media towards the game result they are watching so if they do this activities for sure that they will be easily found out doing things and receive this kind of sanction from league or government like China.

If there will be an ample punishment for this, they wouldn't just go for jail but also pay a penalty fine for the wrong doing they've made. The country leaders should pay attention on this matter because this is really unfair to every person who trusted the game play, and yet in the end their money will suffer without any good returns. Not all players only play for fun, also they're hoping to increase their profit as well.

That will depend on each government and the law in that country. If the law is too strict, those player will get a ban for life from gambling and more punishment will be given. The other punishment can be in a jail for few years or even forever.

That can give a deterrent effect to people so they will not want to gambling especially if their country prohibit gambling. But that will not stop people from gambling secretly because they can gambling in an underground casino. Maybe the government will difficult to find those people because only few people will know the casino places.

So that will depend on the government how to act to gambling. People should know about the punishment so they will think twice to playing gambling. That will be better if the government can

The Chinese league have been involved in many scandals ranging from match-fixing to bribery and other illegalities. Players or officials caught in this shameful act should be heavily sanctioned because this criminal offence can kill the beautiful game of football. These scandals might be the reason why the Chinese league crumbled even after the government invested so much.

The punishment culprits should face will depend on the nature of their offence. First-time offenders should receive more lenient punishment than habitual offenders. Sanctions can include fines and a temporary ban, but in severe cases, a permanent ban from football should be the punishment.

I have not come across any case where casinos partner with players to fix matches, maybe it might exist. But in most cases match fixing is associated with players and officials.

It is very outrageous and disheartening to hear that some people go as far as fixing match for there selfish interest without considering the effect that it will cause on other bettors whom rely on their performance to win some billion of dollars, knowing the consequences that will befall them if caught. I usually hear some speculation in regards to this event, on how most match are fixed but I don't really know how true the information might be, because I wounder how a match played on the pitch with the view of everyone and how it went smoothly will be a fixed match. But sometimes the way some games are being played, I have that instinct that the game didn't play as expected. Now from this information i believe more cases will unfold. But to be sincere, the penalty to the offense where too harsh and uncalled for. They should be punished but not baning them for life. Because many  people have Committed offense above this yet they where given a Fair judgement.

I think a big portion of sports is rigged, it’s just that only a few get caught. Since it’s not the major leagues, not many people hear about it. But if this happened in the NBA, NFL, or MLB, their markets would surely take a hit, and viewership would drop even if those involved were punished.

As a sports bettor, there's not much you can do about it. If you happen to bet on the team that was rigged to win, good for you. If not, just move on. That’s why you shouldn’t forget about bankroll management, so losses don’t sting as much when things go sideways.

I have just known about Calciopoli scandal, although I have read before that Juventus relegated to Seria B but I did not know they were to win the title that season. Calciopoli scandal was common in Seria A before but I do not think it is common now as those clubs in the top leagues were severely punished in the past.

I think referee is not need to be involved because the players and the coaches are enough to do the manipulation.

The decision taken by the China football association is reasonable, with millions of fans involved in a sport with some unscrupulous players fixing matches for nefarious purposes. Fixing matches is not desirable in any way whether it is small or big matches especially fixing in international matches causes more damage than fixing in domestic matches. If match fixing is done in La Liga, English Premier League, Euro Football Champions League, etc leagues, gamblers lose billions of dollars while some unscrupulous players engage in these heinous criminal activities just for their own interests. If I am asked how justified this incident in China is, I would say that the CFA has taken a good enough initiative and brought these players under punishment.

Yes, but you wouldn't know. Clubs, coaches, players and referees are very much involved in it. Lazio, AC Milan, Juventus has been fined and relagated in the past because of matching fixing.

Each sport such as football, baseball, basketball, cricket, lawn tennis etc, has existing laws that forbids players from gambling and the punishment varies depending on the sport, league, and country. The law is clearly made known to the players, and anyone that violates it knows what's at stake and should be ready to face the music.

There's no saying what the real situation was for those players that were banned, that is, if they worked in collaboration with the bookies or not, but it could be possible that something of such can be arranged, because the gambling owners will surely make a good cut and keep the business running.

Still, it is not as if the society sees gambling as a holy and worthy game of sort, but banning such persons shouldn't be just enough punishment without having  a detailed confession on accomplices and alibi present.

Corruption like this, is no longer restricted to politics and football and other sports, it is a shadow that sticks to the money trail of those greedy people who love to exploit systems for their selfish gains.

Match fixing is a serious business and highly secretive. How they were able to uncover this large scale match fixing scandal is really a mystery and shows how big the business is. Now it make more sense how some matches turn out in terms of their results because I remember suffering devastating losses in the Chinese Super League many times in the past. I can only imagine how many matches these group of 128 persons have influenced thereby making the general gambling public to lose money whereas only those with insider information will make money from the fixed matches.

Most of the games that are being fixed are the domestic leagues, most of these top leagues are always difficult to fix because the officials already know the risk involved in fixing matches. That’s why I don’t just involve myself in most of the local sports in my country because I know most of the top officials are corrupt, and even if things like this happen, it’s going to be difficult to figure it out because even the people that are supposed to investigate things like dis are corrupt already.

That’s cheating. seriously, I will say ban is not really enough, their punishment should be more, they have committed a great crime by cheating people, that’s just greediness, so seriously, I will say their punishment should be more, at least it will serve as an example to others trying to do the same.

That would be a good move from the authorities as such criminals should go to jail and they may not get bail for at least a year so they can understand the pain of others. They fulfill their own desires and loot money of the poor players by fixing the matches, and for such act they should get behind the bars for at least a year or more.

I would not like to be this guy, because of all the places to get caught cheating - China is probably one of the worst. The government their does not like anything that tarnishes their reputation, they are quite happy with cheating going on if it makes the country look better, but if it is ever found out and released publicly then you will pay dearly. Not quite to the levels of North Korea punishing generations of your family, but they can make you disappear rather easily or give you a very long jail sentence. It sounds like a wide scale scam as well and the ringleaders usually get punished quite severely. They will likely have to pay back any money with fines on top, along with getting prison sentences.

I doubt if it's just going to be a few million dollars but rather a huge unimaginable sum of money that they have accumulated from their greedy corrupt act, while they must have also cost bettors to lose a huge sum of money. If the authorities can actually go through their account and cease some of those funds, then sentence them to jail too.

The truth is that there is no League that could not be vulnerable to such match fixing scheme, this is the most events that give birth to some games call fixed game's, although the chances for a match to be fixed are lower in the international league and very visible in the local league, the Chinese government have strict punishment for corruption as you can see from the news that some other offenders got life in prison, this is hard enough and I wish other countries around the world will treat corruption in such light as china.


Match fixing have been a lot visible since the coming of gambling and the whales will always want to manipulate the market, that is why most countries bans football officials and players from gambling, but even at that some of them still gamble and involved in match fixing in one way or the other.

From what I read on Portuguese news channels, Son Jun-ho told the South Korean press that he is innocent and did not understand anything of what he was being accused of. He also said that the Chinese threatened his family and that is why he had to confess to something he did not do. But he considers himself innocent. Cameroonian Ewolo Donovan was also punished. In my opinion, I would not trust anything that comes from China. They may be doing this as a way of sending away foreign players who receive high salaries. Because there are cases of players and directors who are involved in this alleged scheme who received less severe punishments. Which clearly shows that this is a case with obscure motivations on the part of the Chinese government.

Am I the only one who is noticing the term Allegedly?

It means there's no proof yet to claim the wrong doings so you can sentence someone based on suspicion and even banning the player doesn't seem fair I smell some political game involved in this.

I doubt we will see any severe punishment even if they were proved to be involved in match fixing, they can ban the player temporarily or permanently.

I'm not sure that either such players work hand in hand with some bookies but I'm pretty sure that match-fixing is a very bad act one does and such person should get proper punishment for that act.

Getting banned from gambling for life time is a good punishment for such match fixers but I believe that there should be some more punishments for such fixers like fining them with at least $100k or even more severe punishment than that.

I do not watch South Korean footballs but I am sure that I have staked in some of their games lately and I can't remember if the match ended well or not. Well, leagues that are not popular can easily tricky, just like the way Son Jun-ho for fixing football games. I don't believe that such things also exist in those popular leagues that you mentioned.

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The ban is okay, and I suggest that they should be given a second chance. Maybe after a long time.
No they don't, the players are just selfish because they are gaining something from the games that they fixed. If they are not gaining anything from in those games that they are fixing they wouldn't have been doing it.

Well the thing is, in China not only is match fixing obviously against the law but also gambling. So the culprits in question basically got double the punishment because of double the damage. A life sentence is truly crazy and over the top but they took the risk and got caught, if you do this in a place like China then god be with you. 
That's what you need to be aware of if you do something like this in China unfortunately, officials ( also obviously corrupt as fk ) don't play around when something like this happens. Guess the guys didn't pay off enough people.

Because it's only a life ban given as an offense, that's why the issue of corruption and match-fixing exists in football matches despite a life ban. If a few months or years of imprisonment are added as an offense to players or top officials who default to gambling, this terrible act will be curtailed

It's quite fortunate that some human beings are ready to risk their careers for personal benefits which can be classified as greediness. You can imagine how shameful it can be that one's career is over because of a simple act they can afford not to be involved with.

Match-fixing is an act that is detrimental to many parties, because it not only benefits the parties involved but also they tarnish the sportsmanship of football through the actions they take. Chinese officials have done the right thing by banning them for life for these despicable activities. This also proves that match-fixing is still a problem in football and there are many mafias, officials, and players, who still take advantage of it to make a profit - and that further risks bettors who want to bet on smaller leagues because of this problem.

The article mentions that they were fixing matches for a period of approximately two years; imagine how many matches were fixed and for what amounts of money we're talking. And that's if we suppose that the two years are actually two and not more. Imagine the amounts of money we're talking about; I'm guessing it should be at least a few million dollars worth of bets. It would be interesting to see if law enforcement went through their bank accounts and confiscated all their funds.

And now I know the reason why an athlete in some sports are usually banned from gambling, most especially same game, in other to avoid stories such as this, because it's literally not fair for these people to have been taking advantage of games to their personal profit, despite the fact that they knew such act was against the rules.

Banning them for life from gambling should be a reasonable punishment giving to people that fall victim to this illegal act, because you literally can't kill them, hence, preventing them from having access to fix a game later in the future and gambling is a better punishment

Most times, I think a casino may have a hand in fix matches, especially on games on small league, whereas, when it comes to big leagues, then the referee or coach likely to do that.

It is true that cases like this must be resolved to the root, where sometimes the champion has to be willing to lose for the sake of greedy people, I think this does not only happen in China but in every country, and this incident often occurs when there is an event between countries such as the World Cup

Match fixing has always been a problem in sports and the stakes are higher at the higher level. At modern times, high level leagues and national sports associations keeps a good eye on players activities and balances and we believe there are lesser of those match and spot fixings. But again sports is also used as a way of laundering your money as well as tax evasion, leagues associated with business and clubs bought by rich people. When there's too much money involved, there could be many loopholes to take advantage of.
The correct response to every proved instance of match fixing and spot fixing is life time ban but it would have not much effect when they are already retired or have kept their money on some safe haven and enjoying their life.

It's good that they have been caught and will be imprisoned for manipulating the games. I think having direct contact with teams and betting on them would result in bad things. I think they would reach the point where they know that they will be caught.

It might have been easy for them if they had the right connections, and people who are greedy will also be influenced.

Their brutal judgement may also be the reason Son accepted he did it, because in an interview his response showed some signs of innocence. And he also mentioned being forced to accept the allegation, or his wife will go into detention. Who do we believe?


In this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyheP28eeuM he testified that the judge promised him freedom, in 3 days, if he agrees to the allegation of receiving $28,120, and he'll also continue his career. We can look into the story from both sides. Is it admissible for a player to risk his career because of 28k dollars? Also, for the profits involved, wouldn't he get a bigger offer above what he allegedly got? Overall, why would he cry for nothing? Something may have been concealed behind the scene.

apart from the lifetime ban, there should also be a hefty fine(or maybe more) because match-fixing can ruin the reputation of an entire league, club, team, etc... players need to realize that getting caught match-fixing is more than just not being able to play the sport on any league.

maybe but I doubt it. What I do think is that they work for an organization that specialises in match-fixing. if I remember correctly there was a thread posted here in the past talking about a large match-fixing syndicate making fixed games on cricket(I can't remember the name of the thread).

You think so? the match Barcelona vs Chelsea in 2009 wasn't a corruption? I don't find any single correct or appropriate explanation to say there was no corruption, except you're a Barcelona's fans which make you can't judge objectively.

Even the organization itself i.e. FIFA, many people think this organization is full of corruption too.

What's what make China great, they're harsh and objective with the punishment they gave. Harsh punishment is better than unfair punishment.

Imagine if law enforcement could track the amount of money they robbed from people. Anything over $1 million stolen results in death by firing squad or something crazy. Really no reason tax payers of any country should have to pay to house these fucktards for the next xxx years. Maximum punishment might really put an end to the corruption.

I agree, a lifetime ban on gambling is such a petty punishment for who knows how much money they've acquired through match fixing. These people were professionals and were experts in what they're doing, it's certainly in cooperation with gambling institutions. Shouldn't they be sentenced to at least a few years in prison, and confiscating their money? This sentence is a slap on the wrist. On the other hand, I'm not sure how the ban is going to be implemented, although China is pretty strict regarding privacy and monitoring its citizens, perhaps they could bypass it with a VPN or proxy.

Even this kind of punishment you speak of is also harsh but I really can not defend players that involves themselves in such kind of corrupt act, they actually deserve what ever punishment they receive. Banning them or dismissal from playing for life is actually a good punishment that others can learn from too.


Same opinion as that of @Woodie, it was exactly the same thought that ran through my head too but I didn't want to sound too harsh. They are supposed to be banned from playing and also sentence to prison because they must have caused some gamblers to lose a huge sum of money.

Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some casinos bookies should be banned the answer is yes but really how you can ban people from gambling

You might can banned one people from one casino but he can still register in other sites and can still play right?
Or he can easily use other people account

I would second that opinion. Some people think that white collar crimes are of a lesser magnitude, which is not true. For example, the thieves who stole billions of USD worth of crypto from MtGox is no less evil when compared to serial murderers such as Ted Bundy or Andrei Chikatilo. The latter killed dozens of people directly, while the former did so indirectly by stealing the life savings of their victims. Depending on the magnitude, financial crimes should be punished with lengthy prison sentences. And hardcore criminals such as Sam Bankman-Fraud should be given the capital punishment.

I believe that there isn't corruption in major leagues like La Liga, Premier League, Serie A, Bundesliga and Ligue 1. World Cup, Copa America, EURO, Champions League and similar ones are definitely out of question. I can't imagine why will any club accept match-fixing because they earn money by winning leagues and they also get a higher reputation, awareness, fanbase, fame and status. Everyone wants to join Real Madrid, FC Barcelona and other top clubs because of these reasons.

Does anyone make a bet on Chinese leagues and other unknown leagues? I have made an experiment myself, I made a bet on 3 matches, each of them had odd 10 and three of them were from unknown leagues. Out of 3, two match with 10 odd won the ticket but one with 10 odd failed. The lesson is, in unknown leagues, never consider that odds represent the chance of winning for each team. Unknown leagues are almost all the time rigged, by club owners, members, referees and sometimes by bookmakers.

If any player is caught in such corrupt act, they shouldn't be banned from playing forever because when you are in a club and depend on the salary, you can't stand up and go like it's nothing. You are forced to participate in this corrupt politics. I think that the club owners should be punished the most to never repeat the same. The root of the problem needs to be fixed. Players don't matter, if one gets banned, he will be replaced by another one and club owners still make lots of money with fixed matches.
In my country, club owners and referees get jail up to 20 years for match fixing.

I would rather see long term prison sentences given to these criminals. They're not only cheating the game, but they are cheating the bettors out of a ton of money. What if someone lost a huge bet and took their life over it? Would you blame the cheaters? Would you tell people they shouldn't be gambling?

Obviously someone taking their life is an extreme situation, but you never know how big or small someone is gambling and the stress behind their situation. Long term prison sentences might stop some from cheating their profession.

It would be good if you edit it from casino to bookies, bookmakers or sport betting sites. Some people do make this mistake. Casinos are for games like Roulettes, Blackjack, Baccarat, Dice, Slots et cetera. Bookies are for Sports, including animal spots, also including other bets.

I do not want to repeat it. Read what I posted above under Dr.Bitcoin_Strange quote. Also bookies may not have any connection with it at all. They are making money without manipulation than giving unfavorable odds that will make bettors to lose more than win.

There are rules and laws for players. The laws are there already and which the players would be conversant with which makes the punishment not harsh at all.

The government cannot prohibit someone from stopping gambling, let alone banning them for life, that is beyond their control and it is not their right to determine someone's decision to gamble. I know this is about a football player and the punishment of not playing football for life is enough to destroy him. Policy of banning football and banning gambling for life seems excessive.
But because this is China, they can implement whatever rules they want so that their citizens obey and can be controlled. China is a country with a completely controlled system, not only gambling but also sports, life and how to determine beliefs are not free from the control of the government.

I don't know how frequently people watch the Chinese leagues and other leagues that are not too popular. But if I must say I understand and agree that match-fixing can happen in those leagues. Their officials are not so strict like the Premier League and other top leagues in football. And any player who has decided to be part of those who are interested in fixing a match even then does not value their football career. Such players are not allowed to support their country in international games.

Also, I can agree with you that is nearly impossible for players in the Premier League, La Liga, UCL Serie, and a few more leagues will agree to be involved in match-fixing. Even referees and coaches are not exempted from this act. It has huge consequences in their career, so they don't think of doing that at all.

It is true, the chances of match fixing in top leagues like the ones you mentioned should be next to impossible because the clubs and players are very rich. I doubt that anybody that is personally involved in these leagues will risk their reputations and the kind of money that they earn to be involved in match fixing. But I won't be surprised about match fixing scandals in lower and unpopular leagues because you can't compare them in anyway with these top reputable leagues. I'm not very familiar with the Chinese football league and I guess that match fixing is possible there and in any other regular leagues. China, is a no nonsense country and I'm not surprised to hear about their harsh punishment on the offenders

When I used to work in this casino/lotto club in some years just after the 2000-s we all suspected that match fixing were massive in China and that website of that time SBOBET don't know if it exists yet used to accept games from less, really less known leagues like 8th division of Norway or Denmark for betting huge amounts, sometimes they accepted 2nd or 3rd leagues from Balkan countries and in this lotto club where I worked these leagues at that time were totally excluded and banned to bet on these. So I am not surprised from China being able to track down some of such activities and this is the way it should be, they should make some examples by clearly punishing really heavy the people who do this.

I also think that the fixing back then happened from presidents of soccer clubs playing each other team and they decided the correct result, number of goals and sometimes even exact number of corners so the odds used to become huge, this I doubt can be cleared 100% but most other countries should start doing what China just did to these match fixing shitheads.

In my opinion, the punishment should go beyond just a lifetime ban. Corruption in sports affects millions of fans and bettors worldwide who trust the outcomes to be fair. Players who take part in these activities should face criminal charges as well, depending on the severity of their involvement.

As for the connection with casinos, it’s quite possible that some of these players work with gambling establishments or criminal networks behind the scenes. It’s not just an individual decision, it often involves organized groups that profit from rigged outcomes. The whole system, from players to gambling institutions, should be investigated and held accountable to protect the integrity of the game.

How? Read this: https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/policies/betting-rules

The person that is guilty of fixing match can be suspended or banned from playing. There are some that may later be reconsidered if taken to Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS). Example: https://soccernet.ng/2024/08/samson-siasia-when-will-fifas-ban-be-lifted-on-former-super-eagles-star-with-two-olympic-games-medals.html/amp

How much could they have paid him to make him risk ruining his career? Well, he has learned his lesson and this is a life time lesson as he will no longer be able to play for any team again.


More punishment should be added to it - because rather than play for passion they turn to bribery and made so many gamblers lose their money, there are matches that could have made some gamblers more money that these fixed matches cheated spoilt for them.


Nah! I don’t think they work with them - I believe it is those predictions sites that usually work with them, imagine charging a high fee for your predictions- you definitely will have to go extra mile to satisfy those paying the fees so that you can get more from them thus the reason why they engage in fixed matches.

The Chinese don't play around when it comes to sentencing wrongdoers 🥵, and for a country that I dont really consider as a footballing nation .this is a harsh punishment to be honest, why not go for a hefty fine and a couple of years behind bars so that when they serve they can be the ambassadors to dicourage their fellow professional footballers from this bad business practice that seems to be growing all around the world...

Am just hoping these are the big fish and not some agents being implicated.

It is avoidable and you can reduce the chance of your bet to be of fixed matches. Go for top leagues like EPL, La Liga, Seria A, France Lique 1 and some the top leagues.

They should also be put in jail for like 6 months would be better. But the reason they are not doing that is because they believe the name of the player has no reputation again. No club will buy the player. No salary again. So they do not consider jail to be worth it.

They do not need to work with bookies before they will manipulate.

We usually hear how some players and top officials are corrupt in terms of football matches, just in China, Son Jun-ho, a form former South Korean player and 43 other were banned for life for gambling and match-fixing.


This suggests that some match that we stake on usually get influenced by some corrupt players or top football official and we are not aware of this.

If any player is caught is such corrupt act, do you think they should only be ban for life from gambling or more punishment should be attached to it?

Also, do you think that those players work hand in hand with some casinos bookies?