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Topic: China is getting a lesson in the "Streisand Effect" - page 2. (Read 361 times)

legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1285
Flying Hellfish is a Commie
This is more of what I meant. The Chinese government is the problem, they've forced the Chinese people to work under horrible conditions, be paid nothing, giving companies pretty much all of the power in China, and have stripped them of basically every human right.

Illegals in the US have more rights then regular everyday people in China. That's truly saying something.

Hopefully the protests in HK spark anger all across China -- though I don't think it's going to happen.

I personally understand what you meant, but I think it is important to be explicit, especially since a significant language barrier is involved. The people of China need to understand this is not an attack upon their nation if they are to feel enabled to resist the CCP. This is the CCP's primary strategy to rile up nationalism and cast foreigners as wanting to attack the nation itself rather than its criminal leadership. I don't think most of the mainland Chinese will be as much pissed over what is happening in Hong Kong, as they will see it as an example that resistance is possible. However when China's economy inevitably falters, they will in fact be pissed and be motivated to resist, and that is when the lessons learned in Hong Kong will become more important. China is a great nation with lots of gifted people, but its culture has long been festering under the rule of the CCP. China needs to bury the CCP and grow out of its corpse into the beautiful and strong tree it was always destined to be.

Without a doubt fair, we wouldn't want any of our Chinese friends on the board thinking that we're demonizing them when we're not. So that's something that I without a doubt think is fair to be explicit about.

I just don't see a way for the CCP to fall with the people under their thumb as they are now. It's not something that's going to be easy, and the people are going to need the support of other nations to allow for them to takeover the gov and be replaced with a Democratically elected one.

That's not an easy task -- and regime change always brings about the chance of a power vacuum and violence.

One critical point to keep in mind is China's economy is currently largely based on fraud and fake numbers. The CCP is a mafia. In order to keep criminal cartels functional, the spice must flow. With the world economy faltering, the world waking up to China's bad behavior, and the trade wars lead by Trump, this is putting the CCP in a very untenable position. As the fraud there in China becomes more evident, the people are going to be increasingly unwilling to cooperate with the CCP. I am of the opinion that it is only a matter of time before the CCP falls, and once that happens, then China will become the world's economic powerhouse and displace the USA in this role, largely with international blessings.

Yeah, I've read MANY articles on this sort of thing. Here's one of the many that I've read on the matter.

https://www.ft.com/content/961b4b32-3fce-11e9-b896-fe36ec32aece

Chinas economy is allowed to lie about the numbers because we let them do it. Think about all of the chinese companies that are on US stock exchanges that WITHOUT A DOUBT have fraudulent numbers. We turn a blind eye because China makes us cheap shit and we don't want to mess with the growth.

It's a great thing......
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
This is more of what I meant. The Chinese government is the problem, they've forced the Chinese people to work under horrible conditions, be paid nothing, giving companies pretty much all of the power in China, and have stripped them of basically every human right.

Illegals in the US have more rights then regular everyday people in China. That's truly saying something.

Hopefully the protests in HK spark anger all across China -- though I don't think it's going to happen.

I personally understand what you meant, but I think it is important to be explicit, especially since a significant language barrier is involved. The people of China need to understand this is not an attack upon their nation if they are to feel enabled to resist the CCP. This is the CCP's primary strategy to rile up nationalism and cast foreigners as wanting to attack the nation itself rather than its criminal leadership. I don't think most of the mainland Chinese will be as much pissed over what is happening in Hong Kong, as they will see it as an example that resistance is possible. However when China's economy inevitably falters, they will in fact be pissed and be motivated to resist, and that is when the lessons learned in Hong Kong will become more important. China is a great nation with lots of gifted people, but its culture has long been festering under the rule of the CCP. China needs to bury the CCP and grow out of its corpse into the beautiful and strong tree it was always destined to be.

Without a doubt fair, we wouldn't want any of our Chinese friends on the board thinking that we're demonizing them when we're not. So that's something that I without a doubt think is fair to be explicit about.

I just don't see a way for the CCP to fall with the people under their thumb as they are now. It's not something that's going to be easy, and the people are going to need the support of other nations to allow for them to takeover the gov and be replaced with a Democratically elected one.

That's not an easy task -- and regime change always brings about the chance of a power vacuum and violence.

One critical point to keep in mind is China's economy is currently largely based on fraud and fake numbers. The CCP is a mafia. In order to keep criminal cartels functional, the spice must flow. With the world economy faltering, the world waking up to China's bad behavior, and the trade wars lead by Trump, this is putting the CCP in a very untenable position. As the fraud there in China becomes more evident, the people are going to be increasingly unwilling to cooperate with the CCP. I am of the opinion that it is only a matter of time before the CCP falls, and once that happens, then China will become the world's economic powerhouse and displace the USA in this role, largely with international blessings.
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1285
Flying Hellfish is a Commie
This is more of what I meant. The Chinese government is the problem, they've forced the Chinese people to work under horrible conditions, be paid nothing, giving companies pretty much all of the power in China, and have stripped them of basically every human right.

Illegals in the US have more rights then regular everyday people in China. That's truly saying something.

Hopefully the protests in HK spark anger all across China -- though I don't think it's going to happen.

I personally understand what you meant, but I think it is important to be explicit, especially since a significant language barrier is involved. The people of China need to understand this is not an attack upon their nation if they are to feel enabled to resist the CCP. This is the CCP's primary strategy to rile up nationalism and cast foreigners as wanting to attack the nation itself rather than its criminal leadership. I don't think most of the mainland Chinese will be as much pissed over what is happening in Hong Kong, as they will see it as an example that resistance is possible. However when China's economy inevitably falters, they will in fact be pissed and be motivated to resist, and that is when the lessons learned in Hong Kong will become more important. China is a great nation with lots of gifted people, but its culture has long been festering under the rule of the CCP. China needs to bury the CCP and grow out of its corpse into the beautiful and strong tree it was always destined to be.

Without a doubt fair, we wouldn't want any of our Chinese friends on the board thinking that we're demonizing them when we're not. So that's something that I without a doubt think is fair to be explicit about.

I just don't see a way for the CCP to fall with the people under their thumb as they are now. It's not something that's going to be easy, and the people are going to need the support of other nations to allow for them to takeover the gov and be replaced with a Democratically elected one.

That's not an easy task -- and regime change always brings about the chance of a power vacuum and violence.

legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
This is more of what I meant. The Chinese government is the problem, they've forced the Chinese people to work under horrible conditions, be paid nothing, giving companies pretty much all of the power in China, and have stripped them of basically every human right.

Illegals in the US have more rights then regular everyday people in China. That's truly saying something.

Hopefully the protests in HK spark anger all across China -- though I don't think it's going to happen.

I personally understand what you meant, but I think it is important to be explicit, especially since a significant language barrier is involved. The people of China need to understand this is not an attack upon their nation if they are to feel enabled to resist the CCP. This is the CCP's primary strategy to rile up nationalism and cast foreigners as wanting to attack the nation itself rather than its criminal leadership. I don't think most of the mainland Chinese will be as much pissed over what is happening in Hong Kong, as they will see it as an example that resistance is possible. However when China's economy inevitably falters, they will in fact be pissed and be motivated to resist, and that is when the lessons learned in Hong Kong will become more important. China is a great nation with lots of gifted people, but its culture has long been festering under the rule of the CCP. China needs to bury the CCP and grow out of its corpse into the beautiful and strong tree it was always destined to be.
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1285
Flying Hellfish is a Commie
As it should be.

China is a horrible country. One that has been able to bully the rest of the world into giving them what they want because they have a large amount of trade presence in the world. For decades we've ignored the atrocities committed by the Chinese onto their own people, and to others (think of the uighur's)

No other nation on this earth would be given the leeway that China is given -- the only reason they've been allowed to do this for so long is because no President in any country wants to be the one that causes some short term loss to the economy to allow for long term propserity.

Let China SUFFER.

China is a very fervently nationalist people. I think it is important to make the distinction between the peoples of China, the Nation of China, and the CCP which is largely responsible for most of the abhorrent crimes coming out of the nation. The CCP is not so much popular in China among the people as it is feared. It is essentially a mafia, and that makes them dangerous to oppose in public, creating lots of lip service and public support where it may not actually exist in the minds of the people. I don't think the people of China deserve to suffer, they have already suffered greatly under the CCP, but the CCP needs to be destroyed if China is going to enter the modern era with the support of the rest of the world.

This is more of what I meant. The Chinese government is the problem, they've forced the Chinese people to work under horrible conditions, be paid nothing, giving companies pretty much all of the power in China, and have stripped them of basically every human right.

Illegals in the US have more rights then regular everyday people in China. That's truly saying something.

Hopefully the protests in HK spark anger all across China -- though I don't think it's going to happen.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
As it should be.

China is a horrible country. One that has been able to bully the rest of the world into giving them what they want because they have a large amount of trade presence in the world. For decades we've ignored the atrocities committed by the Chinese onto their own people, and to others (think of the uighur's)

No other nation on this earth would be given the leeway that China is given -- the only reason they've been allowed to do this for so long is because no President in any country wants to be the one that causes some short term loss to the economy to allow for long term propserity.

Let China SUFFER.

China is a very fervently nationalist people. I think it is important to make the distinction between the peoples of China, the Nation of China, and the CCP which is largely responsible for most of the abhorrent crimes coming out of the nation. The CCP is not so much popular in China among the people as it is feared. It is essentially a mafia, and that makes them dangerous to oppose in public, creating lots of lip service and public support where it may not actually exist in the minds of the people. I don't think the people of China deserve to suffer, they have already suffered greatly under the CCP, but the CCP needs to be destroyed if China is going to enter the modern era with the support of the rest of the world.
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1285
Flying Hellfish is a Commie
As it should be.

China is a horrible country. One that has been able to bully the rest of the world into giving them what they want because they have a large amount of trade presence in the world. For decades we've ignored the atrocities committed by the Chinese onto their own people, and to others (think of the uighur's)

No other nation on this earth would be given the leeway that China is given -- the only reason they've been allowed to do this for so long is because no President in any country wants to be the one that causes some short term loss to the economy to allow for long term propserity.

Let China SUFFER.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
If any of you have looked at any social media platforms (based outside of China) you will notice that they are being flooded with Winnie the Pooh and Tienamen Square memes. I think the CCP overplayed their hand regarding the recent NBA and South Park issues. Again, a brilliant satirical take down by Trey Parker and Matt Stone.

The world is finally collectively saying "CHINA IS ASSHOE!", and it is about time. God bless the people of China and of Hong Kong, and fuck the CCP.




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