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legendary
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May 18, 2020, 04:52:11 PM
#9
~And the rest of things the same. Just think about how fast America got moving in WW2 times, when entering the war.

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It is difficult for me to judge how much America did during World War II, as many history textbooks have been rewritten many times since then. The recent White House tweet about the USSR's involvement in World War II was forgotten (https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1258842411524132865). But it was the Soviet people who lost the most in this war and contributed the most to this victory.

Of course, anybody that has looked at it, has found that Stalin killed more of his own people than Hitler could have dreamed of killing.

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legendary
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May 18, 2020, 02:31:01 PM
#8
~And the rest of things the same. Just think about how fast America got moving in WW2 times, when entering the war.

Cool

It is difficult for me to judge how much America did during World War II, as many history textbooks have been rewritten many times since then. The recent White House tweet about the USSR's involvement in World War II was forgotten (https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1258842411524132865). But it was the Soviet people who lost the most in this war and contributed the most to this victory.
legendary
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May 18, 2020, 02:00:20 PM
#7
^^^ I don't know about that. It didn't take long for USA people to lockdown/shutdown. Once they realize that there isn't any food coming in to the grocery stores, they can start moving pretty fast. Several States, including Arizona, have plenty of beef on the hoof that can be had for a little work. It will be enough to tide them over until next year's crops come in.

And the rest of things the same. Just think about how fast America got moving in WW2 times, when entering the war.

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legendary
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May 18, 2020, 01:31:05 PM
#6
I totally agree. It is not so easy to transfer all production from China to the U.S. and start the whole cycle of production of something on its territory.

Besides the fact that in China one of the cheapest workers they spit on the patent system and tomorrow they can easily start production of almost any product bought in the USA.
legendary
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May 18, 2020, 05:19:45 AM
#5
doesnt matter if china make 200million chips (one each for a iphone device) for under $1 a piece. or they make something else to get their under $1..
china knows how to make and adapt quickly. where it takes america a couple months. china can do in a week.
so they can adapt.
however america would need to create new factories. train new staff which would affect business for a while.
heck america wil probably end up buying the tooling machines and robot arms and conveyor belts from china to fit america's new facilities.
this is china actual power. speed/efficiency.
america pretend they can 'just go elsewhere'. but the delay/price/speed will hurt america more than the loss of a few dollars america gives china for a particular product

america sell maybe a couple hundred million units of iphone in america. but china make billions of different devices. iphones for america is actually a small percentage of the electronics industry.

its actually much easier for china to make their own semiconductors. than it is for america to make their own chips
hero member
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May 18, 2020, 04:42:13 AM
#4
China might be winning the current "economy battle" as a result of Covid, there's no chance they'll win a trade war with the US, and they know it.  The technology in question is American, but China is not the only country where American companies can manufacture stuff affordably.  Any retaliatory measures the Chinese can take will only cause more damage to their economy in the long run.


Would have to agree with this. China relies on US consumers a lot more then US consumers rely on China. In a worst case scenario, where a large majority of manufacturing moved out of china, a large amount of other south east asian countries would be able to pick up the brunt of it -- maybe not instantly, but within a year or two. In the mean time, American manufacturing would have to step up.

Would stuff be more expensive for sometime, and then normalize? Yes.

Would this hurt the US economy? Yes. Consumers paying more for goods and companies not being as profitable is going to hurt.

Will this hurt China more in the long run? Totally. They'd be losing an integral market and US companies / US national security wouldn't want to risk having too much US enterprise in China again. They'd probably incentivize manufacturing being done at home or in allied nations for this very purpose -- to ensure that a shock like this doesn't happen.

China knows all of this though, and they're not going to fuck around.

@DireWolfM14 of course China knows that they stand to loose more if trade war escalates with USA again, but at the same time Xi has to put on a strong face and assure the Chinese citizens that they’re winning the battle otherwise people will start questioning his authority, and he doesn’t like his authority being questioned. @squatz1 it’s not just the US companies who’re looking to exit China, as many foreign companies too are planning to move out of China, hence China must do everything in their power to retain Apple, and failure to do so will have a negative impact on their economy in the long run.

Sources:

https://www.businesstoday.in/current/economy-politics/1000-foreign-firms-mull-production-in-india-300-actively-pursue-plan-as-exit-china-mantra-grows/story/401462.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/04/07/new-data-shows-us-companies-are-definitely-leaving-china/#1b52ffc140fe

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/paramount-and-paranoid-chinas-xi-faces-a-crisis-of-confidence/2019/08/02/39f77f2a-aa30-11e9-8733-48c87235f396_story.html

https://www.straitstimes.com/business/economy/pandemic-speeds-up-iphone-makers-plans-to-exit-china
legendary
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May 17, 2020, 11:50:25 PM
#3
China might be winning the current "economy battle" as a result of Covid, there's no chance they'll win a trade war with the US, and they know it.  The technology in question is American, but China is not the only country where American companies can manufacture stuff affordably.  Any retaliatory measures the Chinese can take will only cause more damage to their economy in the long run.


Would have to agree with this. China relies on US consumers a lot more then US consumers rely on China. In a worst case scenario, where a large majority of manufacturing moved out of china, a large amount of other south east asian countries would be able to pick up the brunt of it -- maybe not instantly, but within a year or two. In the mean time, American manufacturing would have to step up.

Would stuff be more expensive for sometime, and then normalize? Yes.

Would this hurt the US economy? Yes. Consumers paying more for goods and companies not being as profitable is going to hurt.

Will this hurt China more in the long run? Totally. They'd be losing an integral market and US companies / US national security wouldn't want to risk having too much US enterprise in China again. They'd probably incentivize manufacturing being done at home or in allied nations for this very purpose -- to ensure that a shock like this doesn't happen.

China knows all of this though, and they're not going to fuck around.
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May 17, 2020, 11:14:52 AM
#2
China might be winning the current "economy battle" as a result of Covid, there's no chance they'll win a trade war with the US, and they know it.  The technology in question is American, but China is not the only country where American companies can manufacture stuff affordably.  Any retaliatory measures the Chinese can take will only cause more damage to their economy in the long run.
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May 17, 2020, 11:01:30 AM
#1
US wants Huawei to make everything themselves, they restricts it's access to TSMC and Qualcom.

https://www.soyacincau.com/2020/05/17/us-government-tsmc-restrict-semiconductor-sales-huawei-hisilicon-kirin/

China thinks of retaliation by cutting ties with apple, cisco and boeing.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-15/China-to-put-U-S-firms-including-Apple-on-unreliable-list-QwbxVNZ6Xm/index.html


The ban maybe successful in slowing down 5G adoption in China but with current circumstances, China seem to be getting stronger while US fights to open up business.
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