Chinese police raid miner factories in its oil capital city, 1k+ miners seized - page 2.

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I am not a sympathizer, but I think they serve some utility.

At least when some hardware can no longer be profitable for people like me, I have the confidence that someone out there can still squeeze some satoshies out of it thus they won't be worthless junk.

I mean the existence of these electricity thieves contributed to the value of secondhand hardware, right?

Be careful the police could be reading Grin

haha, right. Stealing is bad no matter how good you are in justifying it. They should have not steal and they'd be fine I guess, electricity prices are low in China. I don't think this incident will affect the attitude towards Bitcoin in general in China and I think the country will remain staying among the top miners in the world.

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Quote from: Eric Mu on December 02, 2016, 10:09:22 AM

I am not a sympathizer, but I think they serve some utility.

At least when some hardware can no longer be profitable for people like me, I have the confidence that someone out there can still squeeze some satoshies out of it thus they won't be worthless junk.

I mean the existence of these electricity thieves contributed to the value of secondhand hardware, right?

yes these sort of thieves will be happy getting the second hand hardware but i wish all the thieves who stole electricity gets the real taste of prison and i think china does have a harsh punishment for these sort of things

Stealing electricity is a serious crime and for sure those who steal power will end up on jail and I assume that those miners that have been confiscated will be stored or they will use it again by the government.Im not sure but theres a possibility.If that situation happens to my country they will only charge on a small bail and could get out easily with the crime or violation they commited.

Its really a serious crim and as i saw on the pictures those are old miners but still a good way to make profits since they have free source of electricity but their happy mining has ended since they are being busted by government.As mentioned above those second thieves will be happy Cheesy

I may think if they use the old miner because it will make the room wasn't over heat. With the lighter electricity comparing with the new asic and totally it was being worth for running the mining farm for silently.
So this has applied in the silent mining at the apartment. Roll Eyes

They use cheaper older gear - I heard that the reason Avalon A6s maintain strong prices is because they are so reliable and require little human handling thus are highly popular among these guys

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Quote from: Factmine on December 17, 2016, 01:47:33 PM

This is probably why there has been quite a lot of bitcoin mines in china. Especially those miner hosters in China, where a bitcoiner could send his miner and the operator will just charge a fee for running the miner. I think the reason why there has been a lot of those bitcoin miner hosts is that in china it is quite easy to steal electricity. Maybe we should check out some of the hosts offering such service.

This is really incredible news. So I think people should really investigate these chinese operators of bitcoin miners. They might all be stealing electricity to lower cost by a huge margin. I would like other people who try to invest in these mining operators in china to think twice. I saw one thread on the services section that a china man was offering bitcoin mining facilities where you will send over you miner to mine there. If his mining operation was also illegal and then your miners will also be confiscated by their government. Poof, no more miner and bye investments.

I assume you were referring to me. No, the SinoHash Penthouse is literally right next door to the hydro power station; it was built on top of a two storey building shared by their staff.
Most of these illegal operations are near oil fields in Northeastern part of the country. They are usually not staffed - just a bunch of machines humming away, unattended.

Not in Sichuan where I am based in.

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Quote from: Factmine on December 17, 2016, 01:47:33 PM

This is probably why there has been quite a lot of bitcoin mines in china. Especially those miner hosters in China, where a bitcoiner could send his miner and the operator will just charge a fee for running the miner. I think the reason why there has been a lot of those bitcoin miner hosts is that in china it is quite easy to steal electricity. Maybe we should check out some of the hosts offering such service.

This is really incredible news. So I think people should really investigate these chinese operators of bitcoin miners. They might all be stealing electricity to lower cost by a huge margin. I would like other people who try to invest in these mining operators in china to think twice. I saw one thread on the services section that a china man was offering bitcoin mining facilities where you will send over you miner to mine there. If his mining operation was also illegal and then your miners will also be confiscated by their government. Poof, no more miner and bye investments.

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Quote from: Eric Mu on December 02, 2016, 10:09:22 AM

I am not a sympathizer, but I think they serve some utility.

At least when some hardware can no longer be profitable for people like me, I have the confidence that someone out there can still squeeze some satoshies out of it thus they won't be worthless junk.

I mean the existence of these electricity thieves contributed to the value of secondhand hardware, right?

yes these sort of thieves will be happy getting the second hand hardware but i wish all the thieves who stole electricity gets the real taste of prison and i think china does have a harsh punishment for these sort of things

Stealing electricity is a serious crime and for sure those who steal power will end up on jail and I assume that those miners that have been confiscated will be stored or they will use it again by the government.Im not sure but theres a possibility.If that situation happens to my country they will only charge on a small bail and could get out easily with the crime or violation they commited.

Its really a serious crim and as i saw on the pictures those are old miners but still a good way to make profits since they have free source of electricity but their happy mining has ended since they are being busted by government.As mentioned above those second thieves will be happy Cheesy

I may think if they use the old miner because it will make the room wasn't over heat. With the lighter electricity comparing with the new asic and totally it was being worth for running the mining farm for silently.
So this has applied in the silent mining at the apartment. Roll Eyes

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This is probably why there has been quite a lot of bitcoin mines in china. Especially those miner hosters in China, where a bitcoiner could send his miner and the operator will just charge a fee for running the miner. I think the reason why there has been a lot of those bitcoin miner hosts is that in china it is quite easy to steal electricity. Maybe we should check out some of the hosts offering such service.

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Quote from: Oilacris on December 17, 2016, 04:36:00 AM

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Quote from: Eric Mu on December 02, 2016, 10:09:22 AM

I am not a sympathizer, but I think they serve some utility.

At least when some hardware can no longer be profitable for people like me, I have the confidence that someone out there can still squeeze some satoshies out of it thus they won't be worthless junk.

I mean the existence of these electricity thieves contributed to the value of secondhand hardware, right?

yes these sort of thieves will be happy getting the second hand hardware but i wish all the thieves who stole electricity gets the real taste of prison and i think china does have a harsh punishment for these sort of things

Stealing electricity is a serious crime and for sure those who steal power will end up on jail and I assume that those miners that have been confiscated will be stored or they will use it again by the government.Im not sure but theres a possibility.If that situation happens to my country they will only charge on a small bail and could get out easily with the crime or violation they commited.

Its really a serious crim and as i saw on the pictures those are old miners but still a good way to make profits since they have free source of electricity but their happy mining has ended since they are being busted by government.As mentioned above those second thieves will be happy Cheesy

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Quote from: eaLiTy on December 04, 2016, 03:44:29 AM

Quote from: Eric Mu on December 02, 2016, 10:09:22 AM

I am not a sympathizer, but I think they serve some utility.

At least when some hardware can no longer be profitable for people like me, I have the confidence that someone out there can still squeeze some satoshies out of it thus they won't be worthless junk.

I mean the existence of these electricity thieves contributed to the value of secondhand hardware, right?

yes these sort of thieves will be happy getting the second hand hardware but i wish all the thieves who stole electricity gets the real taste of prison and i think china does have a harsh punishment for these sort of things

Stealing electricity is a serious crime and for sure those who steal power will end up on jail and I assume that those miners that have been confiscated will be stored or they will use it again by the government.Im not sure but theres a possibility.If that situation happens to my country they will only charge on a small bail and could get out easily with the crime or violation they commited.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on November 20, 2016, 05:28:03 PM

Quote from: Eric Mu on November 17, 2016, 10:08:17 AM

I wonder how the police would dispose of those seized hardware. Are they mining themselves? Or were they destroyed or auctioned to the mining community that uses legal electricity - which I doubt as it would be unprofitable.

I would think they would destroy it. As it is older gear.

I would love for this to happen more often.

But there just may not be that much really old gear.

In my country all seized things are going to auction. Maybe Chinese have something similar, of course no right away. Process first to finish, and if there were criminal activity all things on the farm will he seized and sold on auction, except drugs and weapons.
Cause of this is just an old gear maybe they will destroy it if there is no one interested for buying them.

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Quote from: Dank14 on November 11, 2016, 01:20:55 PM

Obviously they did think they will get away with it and for a while it seemed as if they actually got away with it.

catch is if they had it go to a throw away shed/building and somehow gotten Inet access...and had it mine remote to a BTC address
..then when they eventually got caught..they could walk away..hoping they got away with it long enough to make sense with likely old ASIC machines.

then again in China they probably have 'cameras' everyplace so putting the stuff in would have been iffy

anyway just a thought...if you are gonna try to be a criminal mastermind..I mean work out a criminal mastermind level of planning

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Quote from: Eric Mu on December 02, 2016, 10:09:22 AM

I am not a sympathizer, but I think they serve some utility.

At least when some hardware can no longer be profitable for people like me, I have the confidence that someone out there can still squeeze some satoshies out of it thus they won't be worthless junk.

I mean the existence of these electricity thieves contributed to the value of secondhand hardware, right?

yes these sort of thieves will be happy getting the second hand hardware but i wish all the thieves who stole electricity gets the real taste of prison and i think china does have a harsh punishment for these sort of things

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Quote from: Eric Mu on December 02, 2016, 10:09:22 AM

I am not a sympathizer, but I think they serve some utility.

At least when some hardware can no longer be profitable for people like me, I have the confidence that someone out there can still squeeze some satoshies out of it thus they won't be worthless junk.

I mean the existence of these electricity thieves contributed to the value of secondhand hardware, right?

Be careful the police could be reading Grin

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I am not a sympathizer, but I think they serve some utility.

At least when some hardware can no longer be profitable for people like me, I have the confidence that someone out there can still squeeze some satoshies out of it thus they won't be worthless junk.

I mean the existence of these electricity thieves contributed to the value of secondhand hardware, right?

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I think if you play by the rules even in China, you can make a decent profit from mining and have a legal business. Why steal electricity! Now they lose all the equipment and they will have a criminal record. Also, they surely pay a fee and they probably going to jail.

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Even communist scum are not that stupid to take away miners for no reason . As others have said it must have been about electricity theft which makes a lot of sense. Whatever mining company that was must have made a killing not paying their electricity bills but now I guess they facing charges that will kill all their profits because of the stack of fines they must pay. So at the end of the day it really was not worth it.

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With electricity so low in some areas, I'd rather win pennies that will become gold some day that win a bit for a week and lose all my gear.

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Quote from: Milkduds on November 11, 2016, 07:53:13 PM

So much strange news coming out of China lately its hard to know for sure if its legit with out knowing how to fact check it.
Seems like the pre election it was Chinese issues and now we are back on it.

Stealing power in one of the cheapest places to get power seems like a good plan.

Electric rates in China VARY - they might see more variation than the USA or Canada sees depending on where in the country someone is at.

A very large part of the "super cheap hydropower" for China is in areas that are low on population, and they don't have anywhere near the transmission infrastructure that the USA has to distribute it.

The 3 Gorges Dam complex in particular seems to have a lot of it's power go to waste 'cause they can't get enough of it to anywhere useful (yet), and they've not gotten enough "close enough TO use it" industry built up to date to fully utilise the capasity of those generators.

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Quote from: Eric Mu on November 17, 2016, 10:08:17 AM

I wonder how the police would dispose of those seized hardware. Are they mining themselves? Or were they destroyed or auctioned to the mining community that uses legal electricity - which I doubt as it would be unprofitable.

I would think they would destroy it. As it is older gear.

I would love for this to happen more often.

But there just may not be that much really old gear.

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I wonder how the police would dispose of those seized hardware. Are they mining themselves? Or were they destroyed or auctioned to the mining community that uses legal electricity - which I doubt as it would be unprofitable.

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Quote from: Milkduds on November 11, 2016, 07:53:13 PM

So much strange news coming out of China lately its hard to know for sure if its legit with out knowing how to fact check it.
Seems like the pre election it was Chinese issues and now we are back on it.

Stealing power in one of the cheapest places to get power seems like a good plan.

If you read the article it looks like all old gear S-2's S-4's S-5's and dragon miners which use .6 to 1.2 watts per gh.

The only way you can earn money with this gear is with free or 1 cent power. So most likely this is a true story. Someone had a lot of old gear and decided to steal to run it.

Now if you can get legit 3-5 cent power. The s-7 still works to make money at 5 cent power the s-7 makes make at a diff of 400 around 16 usd a month.

At 3 cents the s-7 makes money at a diff of 600 around $14.50 usd a month

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