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Topic: CipherTrace Enters Race to Solve Crypto's FATF Compliance Headache - page 2. (Read 340 times)

legendary
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That's not set in stone. Nothing the FATF does is binding. They just pressure individual governments to implement their standards -- it often doesn't actually happen. None of the FATF member countries have even passed complying legislation yet, let alone the rest of the world. Anything that exchanges do to comply at this point is completely voluntary, not required. And then, once laws are actually passed, enforcement is another question entirely.

Does what they propose somehow become a regulation or law overtime? What would an ideal timeline be like for something to be set into place?

The FATF has set a June 2020 deadline (one year) for countries to codify the Travel Rule into national law. At that time, they'll issue a statement flagging countries that are non-compliant or not working towards implementing the rules.

They have no real power to enforce anything of course, but there is an element of "soft power" as governments pressure each other into compliance. My guess is that some/most of the 36 member countries will have passed complying laws by that time. It might take a while longer than that before laws take effect and compliance is widespread.
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Purpose of the Travel Rule:
" The Rule was created to help law enforcement agencies detect, investigate and prosecute money laundering and other financial crimes by preserving an information trail about persons sending and receiving funds through funds transfer systems." Source : https://medium.com/@sashahodler/the-fincen-travel-rule-d9e6e2cd8b28

My take on this is a little bit different, because I think it was created to have full control over people's financial data and to use this as a tool to collect more income tax for the government.

The Money laundering and terrorism funding nonsense is just used as a scare tactic to influence people to give up control over their financial privacy.  Roll Eyes
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Well from the sounds of it exchanges are going to have to abide by the travel rule regardless.

That's not set in stone. Nothing the FATF does is binding. They just pressure individual governments to implement their standards -- it often doesn't actually happen. None of the FATF member countries have even passed complying legislation yet, let alone the rest of the world. Anything that exchanges do to comply at this point is completely voluntary, not required. And then, once laws are actually passed, enforcement is another question entirely.

Does what they propose somehow become a regulation or law overtime? What would an ideal timeline be like for something to be set into place?
legendary
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STOP SNITCHIN'
Well from the sounds of it exchanges are going to have to abide by the travel rule regardless.

That's not set in stone. Nothing the FATF does is binding. They just pressure individual governments to implement their standards -- it often doesn't actually happen. None of the FATF member countries have even passed complying legislation yet, let alone the rest of the world. Anything that exchanges do to comply at this point is completely voluntary, not required. And then, once laws are actually passed, enforcement is another question entirely.
jr. member
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Well from the sounds of it exchanges are going to have to abide by the travel rule regardless. Meaning either they are going to have to come up with their own technology to deal with AML or they're going to have to find a reputable source or technology like ciphertrace's.
legendary
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I would rather have a cybersecurity firm like Ciphertrace try to step in and offer something that is working to preserve crypto than the government implementing their own form of regulated tracking.

They're just the "good cop" in a good cop/bad cop scenario. It's easy to think Ciphertrace is here to help you, but their primary role is convincing you to swallow these incredibly invasive AML requirements. At best, they're profiting from government overreach. At worst, they're literally just an arm of governments like the US.
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FinCEN released guidance on May 9th that gave exchanges 180 days to comply with the travel rule.

wow, this was news to me. the new FinCEN requirements are really far-reaching and burdensome. they even plan to designate mixers as financial institutions regulated under the bank secrecy act:

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Providers of anonymizing services, commonly referred to as “mixers” or “tumblers,” are either persons that accept CVCs and retransmit them in a manner designed to prevent others from tracing the transmission back to its source (anonymizing services provider), or suppliers of software a transmittor would use for the same purpose (anonymizing software provider).

An anonymizing services provider is a money transmitter under FinCEN regulations. The added feature of concealing the source of the transaction does not change that person’s status under the BSA.

that means by this coming november, they are expecting mixers to register with FinCEN, perform KYC, and start filing currency transaction and suspicious activity reports! Roll Eyes

fortunately, this new guidance doesn't appear to reflect the FATF travel rule exactly. there don't seem to be any $1000 reporting thresholds. under the BSA, institutions are required to file a CTR at $10k, and they begin filing SARs at $5k.

I agree I didn't realize that FinCen released guidance until reading this post. Same with the mixers I had no idea. I mean it makes sense to see ciphertrace work to step in and try to help exchanges since they focus on compliance
legendary
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FinCEN released guidance on May 9th that gave exchanges 180 days to comply with the travel rule.

wow, this was news to me. the new FinCEN requirements are really far-reaching and burdensome. they even plan to designate mixers as financial institutions regulated under the bank secrecy act:

Quote
Providers of anonymizing services, commonly referred to as “mixers” or “tumblers,” are either persons that accept CVCs and retransmit them in a manner designed to prevent others from tracing the transmission back to its source (anonymizing services provider), or suppliers of software a transmittor would use for the same purpose (anonymizing software provider).

An anonymizing services provider is a money transmitter under FinCEN regulations. The added feature of concealing the source of the transaction does not change that person’s status under the BSA.

that means by this coming november, they are expecting mixers to register with FinCEN, perform KYC, and start filing currency transaction and suspicious activity reports! Roll Eyes

fortunately, this new guidance doesn't appear to reflect the FATF travel rule exactly. there don't seem to be any $1000 reporting thresholds. under the BSA, institutions are required to file a CTR at $10k, and they begin filing SARs at $5k.
jr. member
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I would rather have a cybersecurity firm like Ciphertrace try to step in and offer something that is working to preserve crypto than the government implementing their own form of regulated tracking.
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CipherTrace has published their final white paper and open source software for wallet providers and crypto exchanges to comply with the FATF travel rule.

This means that their Travel Rule Information Sharing Architecture (TRISA) would allow exchanges and wallet providers to share payment details and exchange KYC info.

Exchanges adopting TRISA are essentially creating a 'extended validation know-your-VASP certificate' which would be verified through a third-party trusted certificate authority.

FinCEN released guidance on May 9th that gave exchanges 180 days to comply with the travel rule. I am really interested to see what everyone's thoughts are regarding the travel rule, how exchanges are meant to comply and what your thoughts are with the government making their first step into crypto.



https://www.coindesk.com/ciphertrace-enters-race-to-solve-cryptos-fatf-compliance-headache
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