Circle of Trust [Game/experiment] -- GAME OVER - page 15.

dooglus

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Quote from: giszmo on July 13, 2012, 11:37:08 PM

Who calculated the total fees paid so far?

I did. It's 0.0435 BTC:

2012-07-11 01:58:39 1 BTC (fee = 0.0005 BTC)
1 #2 Garr255 189JHV6KPzvnPmjYCGPbvMMmZUWppere7h
2012-07-11 02:07:23 1 BTC (fee = 0.0005 BTC)
2 #3 the joint 17EVRSvdPJGhk7uKHCpY9ghnWnx7j3pPAs
2012-07-11 02:08:41 1 BTC (fee = 0 BTC)
3 #4 sadpandatech 13YmfB6TeLzyCdnwsVZ5MdYVCLnfm5eNGF
2012-07-11 02:17:00 1 BTC (fee = 0.0005 BTC)
4 #5 nimda 1KiZGitw2zEr4uPzZsT7dh7F6e5yoKGvE7
2012-07-11 02:34:16 1 BTC (fee = 0.001 BTC)
5 #6 Al the Alpaca 1EWRJ5BeibZxMguujPLzqM8WWiHpFJtLLx
2012-07-11 02:55:11 1.0011 BTC (fee = 0.0005 BTC)
6 #19 pirateat40 1CR5BadHQt8wd4t98mE4rw9hUfSGQ4ZGDg
2012-07-11 02:58:12 1.0011 BTC (fee = 0 BTC)
7 #20 rjk 17qypELtTKqr716m937wLWbapnFG6i4fyZ
2012-07-11 03:09:42 1.0006 BTC (fee = 0.0005 BTC)
8 #21 NothinG 1BjMLLGrwYk3hrcnSqEUEeGchkx9tiykfY
2012-07-11 03:47:36 1.0101 BTC (fee = 0.0005 BTC)
9 #27 PatrickHarnett 1KwECAhJGr8BPGgn6mezf5Z3jT7vG1HaAZ
2012-07-11 04:01:49 1 BTC (fee = 0 BTC)
10 #32 pekv2 12NcNYb2oEh6ANo95AakEjPqQdgbcxh4m9
2012-07-11 04:14:25 1 BTC (fee = 0 BTC)
11 #34 unclemantis 12kM9BocNb5zSG7RMKp9wPxopK5NpayrMZ
2012-07-11 14:39:05 1 BTC (fee = 0.002 BTC)
12 #39 mb300sd 1HVmv5EtQZtcsFfXe6Crz972BrB1MwsNCM
2012-07-11 16:33:35 1 BTC (fee = 0.0005 BTC)
13 #44 rudrigorc2 1MSPwixhqiwMLXxw3WXtNjg2nst6qVWhCX
2012-07-12 02:58:38 1 BTC (fee = 0.0005 BTC)
14 #49 Brunic 16Hz2xA4NmAp4CU3Mr9aJy8H9D5XqXupHG
2012-07-12 03:54:41 1 BTC (fee = 0 BTC)
15 #52 fatigue 1Fj4QZbavJeKfagjDqUPFqQ4iJ4bHqFAMG
2012-07-12 05:15:43 1.013 BTC (fee = 0.0005 BTC)
16 #88 Phraust 15UJrPbxd6ULPJaxASUoWUp6xc473T7mww
2012-07-12 06:18:20 1.013 BTC (fee = 0.01 BTC)
17 #89 adamstgBit 15nutdfqcS38hXdZoL7LNz5wBt8Aq4wCUT
2012-07-12 07:29:35 1.008 BTC (fee = 0.0005 BTC)
18 #90 bluefirecorp 1PsQ8qFp6ZY94gXvFLP4cqcmoLQSDCqLJc
2012-07-12 07:30:56 1.008 BTC (fee = 0 BTC)
19 #91 Drakahn 1C1UMHsdPxgsWGWBhdaTC47kibJjFgWnhb
2012-07-12 07:46:43 1.008 BTC (fee = 0.0005 BTC)
20 #92 Gladamas 1FVySmZNZ6LUvz1mKkt9zgRWjBzvkM4Roh
2012-07-12 16:03:50 1.0395 BTC (fee = 0.0005 BTC)
21 #93 phantitox 1GtGFJskG47Q6Q1NFsfMLWfNV9ivabbyab
2012-07-12 21:06:54 1 BTC (fee = 0 BTC)
22 #98 John (johnthedong) 1Cm2ymVqiHA42jv31rtyze684oWTDkreza
2012-07-12 23:29:08 1 BTC (fee = 0.0005 BTC)
23 #107 Keefe 1BZy1xxwcxQyRZErcYUFke72TSU7cV5Ptf
2012-07-13 02:38:11 1 BTC (fee = 0.0005 BTC)
24 #110 Otoh 1G5apmPvo2iTtmkNWAHTCET7Y842Ufijs8
2012-07-13 08:00:11 1.01010101 BTC (fee = 0.0005 BTC)
25 #75 [Tycho] 1VayNert3x1KzbpzMGt2qdqrAThiRovi8
2012-07-13 09:02:36 2.08811815 BTC (fee = 0 BTC)
26 #67 Dalkore 12SSYCcvaHadm8Myxb3mUTzyv96VNhyzeZ
2012-07-13 14:56:41 2.08811815 BTC (fee = 0.01 BTC)
27 #133 payb.tc 14no5MUE4ur2gyyEE3BHpHhV82gKm8NLbH
2012-07-13 15:05:57 2.08811815 BTC (fee = 0.0005 BTC)
28 #115 damnek 17xbiU6EWdaf74rmwxPv9AQZc1MeKMWh5n
2012-07-13 16:32:44 2.08811815 BTC (fee = 0.0005 BTC)
29 #117 Tril 1Xgeo7EQgrk22paxmKVrhNVSmauczL6EE
2012-07-13 19:43:35 2.07811815 BTC (fee = 0.01 BTC)
30 #118 Scott J 18UVSvCAb6QGjPSdiXxveeu56ujmu3kTt4
2012-07-13 20:36:33 2.08 BTC (fee = 0.0005 BTC)
31 #140 honest bob 14x3n2ntSAGN4gGvGoLhi6NbUuuoWwvfdL
2012-07-13 20:44:19 2.0801337 BTC (fee = 0 BTC)
32 #143 giszmo 1KLYFWyv5aeci2PwJQs9aTRN1JRzDDL96o
2012-07-13 21:50:37 2.0801337 BTC (fee = 0.0005 BTC)
33 #145 arklan 1F4j4Lha8BjL4wxwFVbGaQwMJ4Kd1brfXb
2012-07-13 22:56:41 2.0801337 BTC (fee = 0.001 BTC)
34 #159 dooglus 1BooBz2AEwUd6JepB7NhNsnAe58Q6obpcu
2012-07-13 23:23:42 2.0801337 BTC (fee = 0 BTC)
35 #160 riX 155gBnpiBQcpnP6coTX6V7znSK3G73uNjK
2012-07-13 23:41:53 2.0801337 BTC (fee = 0 BTC)
36 #175 RyNinDaCleM 1Bgi9fX1TD9cnuzBvWGLfm7D7sNVEq96UU
...
101 #1 Return to Sender 18dktRf1EYbyaYTkSSZJiacBmCemxwWdqm

RyNinDaCleM

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Quote from: Garr255 on July 14, 2012, 01:45:31 AM

If you have the coins and there's nobody else on the list, you can hang on to them until someone else posts, unless you only check the forums once a month Tongue

Nope! I'm here every day. I have no life... Undecided

Garr255

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What's a GPU?

If you have the coins and there's nobody else on the list, you can hang on to them until someone else posts, unless you only check the forums once a month Tongue

RyNinDaCleM

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Legen -wait for it- dary

Garr, since there is the new thread, do you just want your coins back or should I just wait for the next address post?
I'm off to bed, but I will check in periodically tomorrow to see who's next.

Garr255

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What's a GPU?

Quote from: giszmo on July 13, 2012, 11:37:08 PM

Who calculated the total fees paid so far?

Lol, this is just an elaborate distraction to increase Cognitive's revenue Wink

giszmo

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Quote from: ?? on ??

See the new 100 BTC "trust roulette"

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/100-btc-trust-roulette-93250

Hey, wait! You didn't give me time to feed my sockpuppets so I can give them the 100BTC from one to the other so nobody is pointing at me in the end Sad

If you are so desperate to loose your money, why not spend it on a good cause? What will this proof? Many here in the forum hold much bigger assets of many of us (aka we trust them already with 100s of our BTC). The OTC rating and many other webs of trust are in place.

With 1BTC play money this is somehow a fun game and I would love to use it as an example later on. Imagine this with bank transfers: "Please post your bank details and I will send you 8$ and after #100 I get my 8$ back." How ridiculous sounds that? Identity theft? Privacy concerns? Fees anybody? This context is why I participated.

Who calculated the total fees paid so far?

fatigue

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Bitcoin is a food group.

Quote from: ?? on ??

I think we could make this a bit more interesting with a larger sum. For the sake of the example let's use 1000 BTC. Now the agreement is this: If the person you pass it to takes it and runs you owe the BTC to the owner. That way there is risk at every hand off. Now I know a handfull of people I would easily trust with 1000 BTC. So I would pass it to them. If they run I owe the 1000 to the owner, but as soon as they pass it on to someone else, hopefully someone they trust with that much - then I am off the hook (and they are on it).

If we do this we should start a new thread and whoever gets the BTC should select who they send it to and just notify us. Something like:

I got the 1000 (or 100, or whatever) BTC from Patrick and passed it on to Kluge. Transaction detail...

Then Kluge would state in the thread: I got the BTC from BurtW and passed it on to PirateAt40. Transaction detail...

Etc. Each post would be exactly one transfer, easy to track.

I love this idea, the only issue is getting someone to put up 1k btc to be distributed as the rest of the line sees fit.

For example, in this current experiment, let's say some known scammer lists his address. The likely thing to happen is that the people involved already dismiss his entry by consensus(this would be more prevalent if it were a larger sum)

Now in your proposed experiment this couldn't happen, though I suspect the recievers would be more carefully chosen.

Just some thoughts.

Garr255

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What's a GPU?

Quote from: ?? on ??

I think we could make this a bit more interesting with a larger sum. For the sake of the example let's use 1000 BTC.

Well that's pretty much, you know, ALL my money. The style points:risk ratio is too high for me Tongue

Same thing with 100 coins. Although it would be a fun game to watch once you're out of it.

Garr255

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What's a GPU?

Quote from: arklan on July 13, 2012, 10:23:10 PM

garr is saying that a five figure sum of bitcoins passed in the same manner as this thread wouldn't make it past ten transactions before being stolen, and he's betting 20 btc on it.

Yup. Apologies for the American slang Tongue

arklan

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garr is saying that a five figure sum of bitcoins passed in the same manner as this thread wouldn't make it past ten transactions before being stolen, and he's betting 20 btc on it.

dooglus

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Quote from: Garr255 on July 13, 2012, 10:12:50 PM

Quote from: luv2drnkbr on July 13, 2012, 10:11:59 PM

This thread is a giant circle jerk. Try the experiment with 5 figures worth of BTC and see how long it lasts.

BTC20 says < 10 transactions, with the same requirements as this thread.

I don't understand what "BTC20 says < 10 transactions" means.

But nobody has to trust anyone here except for the first guy. He needs to trust us all. The rest of us never risk anything.

Garr255

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Quote from: luv2drnkbr on July 13, 2012, 10:11:59 PM

This thread is a giant circle jerk. Try the experiment with 5 figures worth of BTC and see how long it lasts.

BTC20 says < 10 transactions, with the same requirements as this thread.

luv2drnkbr

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This thread is a giant circle jerk. Try the experiment with 5 figures worth of BTC and see how long it lasts.

Edit: To clarify, people like feeling good about themselves, and they'll pay one bitcoint o both feel good and not ruin their reputation. But if your experiment is about complete trustworthiness, then you need to make the bounty something worth stealing, like 10K+ btc.

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Quote from: unclemantis on July 13, 2012, 08:22:13 PM

Quote from: nimda on July 13, 2012, 07:27:35 PM

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I have encrypted the private key using AES 128bit pass phrase.

I call BS. There's no way anybody could decrypt something like that without the pass phrase (unless it was very weak, in which case it was not 128 bit)

Bitcoin Address:
169N4izDwoUb73Abwv8Qc1hSUTwpXanSwK
Private Key (Wallet Import Format):
5KMKBQAUGDayBLVLDxYGky3LfmYvs1U5HK8mGaVER2EeQDUY9ri

Passphrase was "bitcointalk.org"

There you go. "bitcointalk.org" is not 128 bits. it was not a "AES 128bit pass phrase." In fact, given where we are right now, I'd say the entropy is close to 0 bits Roll Eyes

Quote from: unclemantis on July 13, 2012, 08:23:03 PM

NIMDA

Do you wish to put up a larger bounty with a much stronger pass phrase?

If I put up a bounty with a pass phrase which was actually "AES 128bit," you would never crack it.

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(:firstbits => "1mantis")

NIMDA

Do you wish to put up a larger bounty with a much stronger pass phrase?

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Quote from: nimda on July 13, 2012, 07:27:35 PM

Quote

I have encrypted the private key using AES 128bit pass phrase.

I call BS. There's no way anybody could decrypt something like that without the pass phrase (unless it was very weak, in which case it was not 128 bit)

Bitcoin Address:
169N4izDwoUb73Abwv8Qc1hSUTwpXanSwK
Private Key (Wallet Import Format):
5KMKBQAUGDayBLVLDxYGky3LfmYvs1U5HK8mGaVER2EeQDUY9ri

Passphrase was "bitcointalk.org"

payb.tc

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Quote from: riX on July 13, 2012, 07:33:47 PM

Quote from: dooglus on July 13, 2012, 07:30:39 PM

I got the coins and bet them on the pretty safe "under 48000" at satoshidice.

I lost. Oops.

Sent a different 2.0801337 BTC on to riX. Hopefully he won't notice it's not the original bitcoin...

It's not the original anyway..

Also, I'm going to bed now, so unless someone signs up within minutes, this will have to wait until at least tomorrow..

i also sent different coins, because i sent out from some confirmed coins while the incoming game coins were still unconfirmed.

dooglus

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Quote from: Scott J on July 13, 2012, 08:00:58 PM

One more time might do it? Grin

It did, but I forgot that I needed to win both the losses back, and only bet enough to win the 6 BTC back, not the original 2 BTC as well.

Actually, to win back both losses I would had to bet more than the 25 BTC maximum:

>>> (6.4400424 + 2.0801337) / 0.323
26.378254179566564

I think I'll quit while I'm ~~ahead~~ only slightly behind.

Scott J

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Quote from: dooglus on July 13, 2012, 08:00:02 PM

Quote from: Scott J on July 13, 2012, 07:49:52 PM

Quote from: dooglus on July 13, 2012, 07:37:11 PM

I was hoping to use SD to increase the value of the coin a little and pass on the winnings. Didn't quite work out. Roll Eyes

Unlucky, it was a nice thought!

Yes, but I couldn't lose twice in a row, right? So no harm in attempting to win my losses back...

lol

One more time might do it? Grin

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Quote from: Scott J on July 13, 2012, 07:49:52 PM

Quote from: dooglus on July 13, 2012, 07:37:11 PM

I was hoping to use SD to increase the value of the coin a little and pass on the winnings. Didn't quite work out. Roll Eyes

Unlucky, it was a nice thought!

Yes, but I couldn't lose twice in a row, right? So no harm in attempting to win my losses back...

lol

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