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that's funny you once again may have misjudged me Cypher. I understand the importance of meeting people in person when TRUST is needed.

You forget, this is Bitcoin. No trust is needed. Hence irrelevant to need to go to a bitcoin conference unless you are one of the early adopters that just wants to increase the value of his stash he got for $0.005/BTC.

His point was getting people to think before they spend any more money on a possibly pointless conference for their sake. Might not be pointless if you're one of the "elitists".

So now the analogy is that bitcoin conference is like a theme park? How about circus can we use that analogy? 

I know FINALLY A SMART MAN IS STEPPING UP what I have realized when the foundation stated they need to pay Gavin! THANK YOU! I thought I was taking crazy pills for a second.

It's not detracting if I am stating my opinion and looking at the facts.

Weren't you not so long ago "detracting" one of the litecoin threads? Way to be a hypocrit eh?

And you think I'm sad? You went out of your way to the Alt currencies subforum to "make a point". lol

Don't you have more important things to do like promote bitcoin as you obviously seem so eager to evangelize it?

My question is this:

Why does a foundation have to pay Gavin? If they have to pay Gavin then that implies they need Gavin. Why would they need Gavin? Bitcoin doesn't need Gavin. Bitcoin doesn't even need Satoshi.

Flawed model in my opinion.

+1 the money the bitcoin foundation already has been collecting should be going to a conference. Then they can have free admission 

Dates = Prostitution to Casasius? lol

Missed that part of the market in his statement as well. Perhaps he overlooked it. 

what i'm saying has nothing to do with lawyers.  in fact, it shouldn't.  they are probably the worst ones to rely solely upon to assess partnering up with another Bitcoiner as they have a vested interest in constructing a complex deal in terms of fees.

no, the best person to assess the risk of a business partnership is you in a face to face meeting with the potential partner.  i'm not talking about small stuff like most of the businesses around here; i'm talking about real businesses involving substantial amounts of money.  integrity assessment requires multiple sources of input over time.

Okay right. "Let's take attendees monies to promote our businesses that deal in bitcoin"? I'm sure you all are there for the greater good of bitcoin and NOT to turn a profit some how.

My second comment was for the average bitcoin users. You who have gazillions of bitcoins by all means go for it. And that is hardly an analogy when you don't take into account the entire market of bitcoin users to date. Not everyone has social skills (yes we are talking about many geeks) who prefer to keep to themselves and meet and network on the internet. Once again you left out the fact that not all people do what it is you think is "normal" to do in your pretty analogy. 

I propose a competition for the conference: "Spot the fed"

Isn't that what they usually do at defcon ?

1. If I'm a normal bitcoin user I'm not going to the conference to get PRESS COVERAGE. Keep in mind it's not all about the big players in bitcoin....or is it? lol (if so, my point is proven). These conferences as Max Keiser kind of put it is to garner new users, not for the bitcoin ELITE to jerk each other off. We all know how that went with Nefario for example eh? lol (Pay $300+ for a conference to listen to a jackass talk who doesn't know what the word "Arbitrage" means all the while touting his leet skillz with GLBSE).

2. In order to successfully network with others one does not NEED to meet someone in person. That's why we have technology. I mean if that was the case that we overlooked technology why not just snail mail your wallet.dat file on a flash drive to the furthest most point from you in the world to transfer bitcoins? lol

its a matter of comfort level and percentages.  some of us feel more comfortable assessing risk after having met somebody in person.  it may be fine for you to enter highly risky business deals worth lots of money over Skype but not for me.

And smoothie obviously knows about that.

yes, unfortunately not understood by many here.

shaking someone's hand, looking that person in the eye, expressing one's self with body language, and engaging in one-to-one conversation magically strips out most of the bullshit you get on all those internet channels.

Wait you would pay money for something that was pointless.  You said the conference was completely pointless as one could get everything there from forums.  So if it was $50 you would pay for it knowing it was pointless?

As for the Foundation using foundation funds to pay for part of the conference?  Most foundations don't do that.  Not everyone joining or donating may be interested in a conference.  The Linux foundation has something like 100,000 paid members and conferences they sponsor still have a cost.  Nothing the foundation has done is out of the ordinary. 

If the foundation puts of a good conference it will be worth it even at $300.  If they put on a bad one (and to date everyone conference has been just embarrassing) it won't be worth it even at $0.  How good will this one be? I guess we will find out, I am willing to give them the opportunity (if schedule will allow it). 

Then simple solution ... don't go.  You have no intention of joining the foundation and no intention on going to a bitcoin conference.  If it serves no purpose then the price doesn't really matter does it.  It would be just as pointless at $10,000 or $10.  So don't go.  Other people will. 

What exactly was your issue again?

Sounds like you have not been to a conference before!

Bought a ticket.

Living in a place where Bitcoin and monetary freedom are exotic concepts, $300 is well spent just for the psychological boost of being physically surrounded by hundreds of people who think the same way as I do.  Almost by definition, most of the attendees and presenters should be interesting people: independent thinkers, enterpreneurs, scammers , etc.  

Based on quite a few tech & financial conferences I've attended in the past (both Bitcoin and non-Bitcoin), I'll predict that for anyone with a significant financial or ideological stake in Bitcoin's success, $300 is a bargain, and attendees should get much more than that $300 worth of value out of this event.  Bitcointalk has a low signal-to-noise ratio, and the conference should provide a much more realistic picture of the (hopefully positive) state of the Bitcoin ecosystem.  

Last September on Bitcointalk, the mood was suicidal, defaults and scams were omnipresent, and the price had just plummeted.  But one or two presentations and conversations at the London conference made it clear to me that the future was bright and the right move was to add BTC aggressively.  Profits from those purchases easily covered the plane ticket, lodging, and all other attendance costs.  For anyone investing or speculating in BTC, the sneak peeks that you can get at the conference regarding upcoming services, features, and business deals, is as close as you can get to insider information on the medium-term direction for the BTC price.