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legendary
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=488669.60 this security flaw is kind of massive as well, again more reasons why I am shutting up shop and turning my back on vircurex, cryptostocks and Kumula.

Kumala should be ashamed of himself.  Not only did he steal coins from accounts, he stole trade funds in late March in mid-transaction.

I moved some coins into Vircurex to trade them in late March and couldn't get them back.  I don't store coins on Vircurex so the whole in-and-out should have taken a few minutes.  Kumala claimed there was a technical error he was fixing but then he froze (stole) my coins.  He promised to make up his losses without affecting user accounts then went back on his word.  He claimed he was fixing a technical withdrawal issue and stole those funds too.  That second lie costs me a lot of money and heartache.  Here's why:

My autistic son will be graduating from high school in June.  It has been such a long journey for us and we are very proud he has made it.  My wife and I asked him what he wanted as a graduation gift and he said he'd like a cruise to Alaska.  Normally we could never afford that trip but I had enough cryptocurrency to just swing it.  I tried to trade the coins on Vircurex so I could monetize them.  Instead, Kumala stole them from me.  I've tried everything to get him to return them and he won't even respond to me.  Monday, I saw Kumala unfroze .00026808 LTC of my total of 450 LTCs.  I guess I was fooling myself thinking somehow I may get my coins but now I know I won't.  My wife recently cancelled our trip and today I told my son we can't go because someone stole the money. He was heartbroken and I was humiliated.  I'm now selling all of my mining equipment in the hope of raising some cash for a more modest trip.

I don't need sympathy and I certainly don't need people telling me it's my own fault for trading on Vircurex.  I just want people to know (especially Kumala) that what he did had real consequences for people.  Does Kumala realize when he steals people's coins it could effect their lives?  

I'm beyond upset now.  I'm heartbroken that he could be so callous as to steal people's wealth with no regard to how he is hurting them.
really sorry to hear your losses and yes I have an ex gf in the same situation... 12 BTC frozen in vircurex, no sign of any unfrozen though Sad

All I can offer is a token DVC or PPC donation totry and ease the pain on your losses PM me your address and i'll send you a few.  Lives are affected by the loss of such coins, but the real damage was done by hackers (if the site was indeed hacked) and Kumula has only exacerbated the issue by his freezing of funds for mid sized holders.

Going quiet at times like this is never a good sign and the lack of transparency is just not aiding in re building up the broken trust in this exchange.  I told the ex gf to just write the coins off and start submitting more work to devtome to earn back the losses that way... set her back a year and a half at least but remember you are still ahead of 90% of the worlds population.  I get the feeling you will get to take your son on a trip, just might not be this year.

Would it make you feel better if i told you I sold 400 LTC for the price of 2 T-shirts over a year ago... not the best trade but I was not sure what the LTC price was going to do and these were essentially free coins for me!! Shame I didn't hold onto them now... but they are dam nice t-shirts Cheesy

Fuzzybear
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=488669.60 this security flaw is kind of massive as well, again more reasons why I am shutting up shop and turning my back on vircurex, cryptostocks and Kumula.

Kumala should be ashamed of himself.  Not only did he steal coins from accounts, he stole trade funds in late March in mid-transaction.

I moved some coins into Vircurex to trade them in late March and couldn't get them back.  I don't store coins on Vircurex so the whole in-and-out should have taken a few minutes.  Kumala claimed there was a technical error he was fixing but then he froze (stole) my coins.  He promised to make up his losses without affecting user accounts then went back on his word.  He claimed he was fixing a technical withdrawal issue and stole those funds too.  That second lie costs me a lot of money and heartache.  Here's why:

My autistic son will be graduating from high school in June.  It has been such a long journey for us and we are very proud he has made it.  My wife and I asked him what he wanted as a graduation gift and he said he'd like a cruise to Alaska.  Normally we could never afford that trip but I had enough cryptocurrency to just swing it.  I tried to trade the coins on Vircurex so I could monetize them.  Instead, Kumala stole them from me.  I've tried everything to get him to return them and he won't even respond to me.  Monday, I saw Kumala unfroze .00026808 LTC of my total of 450 LTCs.  I guess I was fooling myself thinking somehow I may get my coins but now I know I won't.  My wife recently cancelled our trip and today I told my son we can't go because someone stole the money. He was heartbroken and I was humiliated.  I'm now selling all of my mining equipment in the hope of raising some cash for a more modest trip.

I don't need sympathy and I certainly don't need people telling me it's my own fault for trading on Vircurex.  I just want people to know (especially Kumala) that what he did had real consequences for people.  Does Kumala realize when he steals people's coins it could effect their lives? 

I'm beyond upset now.  I'm heartbroken that he could be so callous as to steal people's wealth with no regard to how he is hurting them.
legendary
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TODAY IS YOUR LAST DAY TO CASH OUT YOUR STOCK HOLDINGS

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED and given plenty of time to sell your stock off.

But in light af the shambles and frozen funds on many Vircurex accounts, Kumula's absence and lack of response I am DEFINITELY taking all my funds out of cryptostocks and vircurex. 

Friend of mine has 12.6BTC frozen in her account on vircurex and I don't see her getting that back, so please every one take action now as I will be closing the listing at the end of today, no exceptions.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=488669.60 this security flaw is kind of massive as well, again more reasons why I am shutting up shop and turning my back on vircurex, cryptostocks and Kumula.

Tragic end to something that had so much promise, but now its just as bad as pirateat40, mtgox and the rest of the scams imo.

Fuzzybear
legendary
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Is this buyback still on? Don't see anything huge on the buy side.
1,471.000000 DVC   2,790 Shares   4,104,090.000000 DVC

This is my buy order that would let me buy all the shares listed. but I see someone has placed buy at 1,472 for 80 shares.

I repeat again PLEASE REMOVE YOUR BUY AND SELL ORDERS I AM CLOSING THIS LISTING AND WILL NOT PAY OUT ANY MORE DIVIDENDS.

I AM TRYING TO BUY BACK ALL SHARES AT MARKET VALUE

YOU HAVE 5 MORE DAYS (deadline 31st March) TILL I CLOSE THE LISTING IF YOU HAVE SOLD YOUR STOCK BACK TO ME OR NOT.

Fuzzybear
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legendary
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1 x AM1 share on havelock valued at ฿0.60310000

current price on vircurex 1DVC = 0.00000041 BTC

1,471,000 DVC = 0.60311000 BTC

1 share of ASCMDVCPT = 1,471 DVC (1 share = 1/1000 AM1 share)

Setting my buy back order once I have transfered some more DVC into cryptostock account.

Fuzzybear
legendary
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I have just had my email added as an admin for the project ASCMDVCPT and I have just paid out a dividend to cover for all the mix up and troubles caused. My way of saying sorry. I have an option for a buyback now as well so I will do some calculations and set this.

Many thanks for all your patience any questions or issues please raise ideally here publicly or PM me if you would prefer.

Fuzzybear
legendary
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Ok i have had a reply from Kumula.

He is going to make one final attempt to contact the email address on the account holder on the listing and if nothing has been heard by the 5th of March he will transfer ownership over to me.

My decision I'm afraid to say has been to start the closure of this listing starting with actions on the 5th March by Kumula passing control of the listing to me and I will pay out dividends to all share holders for backdated dividends.  My shares I hold at that point will not be included in the dividends so I will compensate everyone and pay a little extra for the situation. Dividend payouts will be paid in one lump sum based off the figures from above
Looking at the history on cryptostocks the last dividend payout was made on the 30th October 2013.
Looking at Havelocks ASC1 listing dividend history these are the payouts :

date                                          btc                 dvc/btc     btc*(1/dvcbtc)/1000 = share payout
2014-02-12   2014-02-12   0.00038072  
2014-02-05   2014-02-05   0.00027377
2014-01-29   2014-01-29   0.00061457   0.00000068   0.903779
2014-01-23   2014-01-23   0.00026655   0.00000082   0.325061
2014-01-16   2014-01-16   0.00096215   0.00000050   1.9243
2014-01-08   2014-01-08   0.00066897   0.00000068   0.983779
2014-01-01   2014-01-01   0.00081605   0.00000098   0.832704
2013-12-26   2013-12-26   0.00061248   0.00000096   0.638
2013-12-19   2013-12-19   0.00121710   0.00000114   1.067631
2013-12-11   2013-12-11   0.00134945   0.00000068   1.984485
2013-12-04   2013-12-04   0.00198945   0.00000058   3.430086
2013-11-27   2013-11-27   0.00199664   0.00000027   7.394962
2013-11-20   2013-11-20   0.00132577   0.00000017   7.798647
2013-11-13   2013-11-13   0.00299000   0.00000023  13.0000
2013-11-06   2013-11-06   0.00290692   0.00000025  11.62768

so about 50 DVC per share is needed to be paid out for past dividends missed

After this dividend payout I will be looking to close the listing down no later than the 30th March 2014.  No further dividends will be paid out after the payment on the 5th march.

I have place the following buy order

Code:
Buy	2014-05-28 16:59:59 -0700	2,900	ASCMDVCPT	1,000.000000	DVC	2,900,000.000000	DVC

that is enough for me to buy all the remaining public shares out on the listing so you can sell out your shares for relative ASCMINER share cost in DVC.  I apologise I do not have enough to buy up at current trading price hence I will try make up for it in the final dividend payout.  My decision has been based that I and others have no or infrequent replies from Kumula for support regarding cryptostocks and I can not run this listing if it is going to be a headache to get anything done or fixed,  if there is another DVC listing site like cryptostocks then I may consider re-opening the listing there.

Fuzzybear
legendary
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Lack of active support and replies from Kumula about transferring this listing to my posession is leading me to think that this is NOT going to go well me trying to run this listing.

I currently hold 2000+ shares of the listing.  current value of the stock is

1 full ASCIMINER share = 0.455BTC
dvc/btc on vircurex = 0.00000057

1 ASCMDVCPT share = 0.455 * (1/0.00000057) / 1000 = 798.24DVC

I have placed a buy orders at 1000 DVC for 1000 shares if anyone wants to get out of the listing.  If there is no reply by the end of this weekend I will have to push Kumula to shut the listing down or advise no further trading etc and people to cash out and advise on the DVC main thread and close this thread etc.

Sorry for the way this is playing out but I have tried really hard and it has cost me about 5btc to try and correct this situation so far and i'm hindered all the time by other people's lack of support or adhering to my requests.

Fuzzybear
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Hi FuzzyBear

One of our board members mentioned that we would love to have your participation as part of our Smart Contracts Advisory Board.
 
We are building a consortium of crypto-finance firms to ensure that Bitcoin entrepreneurs benefit from a distributed system of trading firms for issuing smart tokens on Bitcoin.  We believe that will be a BIG revenue opportunity for trading firms like
Asic Miner DVC Passthrough
 
The role of this advisory board is to provide an opportunity for Bitcoin industry members to influence the direction of the Master Protocol.
 
Perhaps we can have a chat about whether this is something you can participate in?
 
Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you.

Mastercoin Foundation
International Community Coordinator
legendary
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Ok I am in the process of getting Kumula to hopefully transfer the listing under my control and I have purchased some ASICMINER shares.  

Looking at the history on cryptostocks the last dividend payout was made on the 30th October 2013.
Looking at Havelocks ASC1 listing dividend history these are the payouts :

date                                          btc                 dvc/btc     btc*(1/dvcbtc)/1000 = share payout
2014-02-12   2014-02-12   0.00038072  
2014-02-05   2014-02-05   0.00027377
2014-01-29   2014-01-29   0.00061457   0.00000068   0.903779
2014-01-23   2014-01-23   0.00026655   0.00000082   0.325061
2014-01-16   2014-01-16   0.00096215   0.00000050   1.9243
2014-01-08   2014-01-08   0.00066897   0.00000068   0.983779
2014-01-01   2014-01-01   0.00081605   0.00000098   0.832704
2013-12-26   2013-12-26   0.00061248   0.00000096   0.638
2013-12-19   2013-12-19   0.00121710   0.00000114   1.067631
2013-12-11   2013-12-11   0.00134945   0.00000068   1.984485
2013-12-04   2013-12-04   0.00198945   0.00000058   3.430086
2013-11-27   2013-11-27   0.00199664   0.00000027   7.394962
2013-11-20   2013-11-20   0.00132577   0.00000017   7.798647
2013-11-13   2013-11-13   0.00299000   0.00000023  13.0000
2013-11-06   2013-11-06   0.00290692   0.00000025  11.62768

any record for the dvc price on those dates?? This way I can work out the dividends owed exactly

Fuzzybear

edit: found this http://www.bitcoinbnk.com/chart/dvc working through the dates

that look right??
legendary
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Just an announcement to let everyone know I am looking to purchase 5 ASCMINER shares direct myself and take over the listing on cryptostocks fully.

I am paying for these shares out of my own pocket and I will see what I can do for past missed dividends on the listing as well.

Sorry for the situation but I am trying to rectify this in the best interest for the shareholder.  I would rather fork out the BTC to show that I am an honest person caught in the middle of someone else not doing their part with this listing.

Updates to come soon Smiley

Fuzzybear
legendary
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Hey everyone,

Sorry for the lack of dividends payout from ASCMDVCPT.  Let me explain the full situation.

Twobits holds all the shares and passwords to the cryptostocks account and thus controlls all payment and processing of dividends.

I am very aware that the last payment was 30th oct, it has been prior to August since I have had an email or PM from him and we had 4-5 methods of contact.  I know he had some laptop issues and then was having to borrow friends PC's to do stuff.. and that is what the last 30th oct would have been.

This is not the only venture I entered into with twobits as he held the passwords for fuzzypool a btc mining pool.  That I have had to close down as well and as I could get the wallet off the pool I was able to make manual payouts.

Regarding the shares there is not much I can offer besides some token dvc from my own personal wallet to say sorry.  I believe twobits will be back, he was a nice guy and not looking to scam peopl, he could have done that longer ago with me and got away with more money / btc if that was his motive, but I know that other matters in real life can take over and I think this is one of those situations.  I hold some 1000+ shares myself so its not as if I am not wanting twobit to return as well.

Post a screenshot of your number of shares with your dvc addy and i'll send you some DVC to say sorry if you want from my own dvc.

Fuzzybear
legendary
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Where are these shares being sold  Huh
https://cryptostocks.com/securities/39

Loads of links on the OP.. click any blue text or the image to take you to cryptostocks and it is the listing with a ticker ASCMDVCPT

FuzzyBear
how about paying out dividends?
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What is this asset's schedule for paying dividends? From the asset page in Cryptostocks, it looks like the last dividends were paid October 30. When is the next dividend payment date going to be?

Thanks!
legendary
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Where are these shares being sold  Huh
https://cryptostocks.com/securities/39

Loads of links on the OP.. click any blue text or the image to take you to cryptostocks and it is the listing with a ticker ASCMDVCPT

FuzzyBear
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Where are these shares being sold  Huh
legendary
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Eighteenth Dividend Payout

The Eighteenth dividends have been paid out to the investors of Asic Miner DVC Passthrough (ASCMDVCPT) each share paid 36.76760657 DVC.

Thank you to all the investors in ASCMDVCPT
legendary
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Seventeenth Dividend Payout

The Seventeenth dividends have been paid out to the investors of Asic Miner DVC Passthrough (ASCMDVCPT) each share paid 29.37595357 DVC.

Thank you to all the investors in ASCMDVCPT
legendary
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Fithteenth Dividend Payout

The Fithteenth dividends have been paid out to the investors of Asic Miner DVC Passthrough (ASCMDVCPT) each share paid 39.37365188 DVC.

Thank you to all the investors in ASCMDVCPT

Sorry the announcement is late on my part, rest assured you received the dividends on the day, not just now.

Sixteenth Dividend Payout

The Sixteenth dividends have been paid out to the investors of Asic Miner DVC Passthrough (ASCMDVCPT) each share paid 23.45942115 DVC.

Thank you to all the investors in ASCMDVCPT
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