Topic: [CLOSED] R12: Black Arrow BF Bullet Run $123 = 39% cheaper than cex.io! (Read 8794 times)

Thank you 2  th is nice

 BTW btc is over 250 usd a coin!

  I see orders for 4-2-2-1-1-1 =  total 11 shares  for my BTC address .  My records show I ordered 11 shares.  across the r9-r10-r11-r12 buys.  So we are good to go.

do you know the address we are sending the minted coins to? and a hash rate meter link?

edit  

 found btc address  https://blockchain.info/address/1JazVMG7E47ceaTnwbGzeGsrAQeURniwZV

second edit

 found hash rate  http://www.dzminercoop.com/?page_id=302    we are at 1.65 th  we should be at 3.3    which if I recall bob is working on this and we should see a higher rate today

Hi,

To simplify things and reduce clutter we're locking R9-12 and moving discussions to this new mega thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/black-arrow-r9-12-threads-dz-miners-co-op-plz-move-s-and-discussion-here-328996

Thanks! See you there!

I see more GH/s comming online. Good job Bobsag3!
Keep it up buddy!

M

Since Saturday morning, I have been waiting for UPS to bring me the PIs I ordered... last Wednesday. With overnight shipping. not to pleased with UPS right now.

Now up to
 Totals (All Active Workers)   2,107.93 GH/s
Working on getting this up to full speed.

Mine looks fine. 

And I knew I missed one

I feel dumb I've had this posted for about half an hour or so and forgot to put in a link its messy but look in the url field for what miner it is

http://www.dzminercoop.com/?page_id=470

Hehe sorry R14 sped up a little faster than intended. Workin on blocking the usernames now.

I just finished putting R12 together right before we launched R14.

Will be putting the updated R9 and 10-12 up shortly.

We need same picture for R12

Black Arrow deserves huge credit alongside with bobsag3.

We can't thank Black Arrow enough for being Good Guy manufacturers about bringing this whole chunk of Terahash over to our shores so quickly.

In return, we're they're ultimate real world post-beta testers that lets them fully test out the design/assembly/shipping process months ahead of their full launch, with partners that can walk and chew gum reliably most of the time.

bobsag3, the man of the Bullet Run hour, deserves massive credit for coming through as well under difficult conditions. He tells me that Alex from Black Arrow has done half the work in getting this working. Thank you Alex!

11/2 update: R9/10 is up to 1.7TH! We're met our minimum hashrate target!

Also, we just passed a co-op milestone that I need to point out...

We just passed the 10 TH mark for PAID orders! It only took 2.5 months to community fund and build this mesh network of miners/investors.

We also just passed the $113K group fundraising mark, meaning that even including our co-op bonuses of: business insurance, world's lowest hosting fees, access to veteran IT pros in software, hardware, networks, and information security, my marketing and project management skills, our tight knit group of co-op creators (11 so far, including mootinator, unknown.usr, philipma, firsttimeuser, and an oil VP that's not on our forum yet), and of course you:

our customers.

For which we wouldn't be celebrating this milestone without you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart, on behalf of the DZ MC Co-op leaders and contributors.

Cheers and best wishes!

Ha! Hilarious!

FWIW: I'm told our facilities are absolutely 100% smoke free. 

Same BFL said no PP said its past our 45 days and credit card said screw them heres your money back. Took 1 phone call and a quick fax and my account was credited and the funds were taken back by them from paypal / BFL

Darnit phil, you literally just gave me an involuntary shiver. They wouldn't refund my 2 Jally pre-orders (or even deign to tell me they weren't refunding after 5 days), and PP was past the 45-60 day window (whatever it is) for refunds, so I went to my CC company for a chargeback.

Now PP has limited my wife's ebay PP acct. because they saw it as an unauthorized transaction. Now we have to go thru 4 diff steps or more to get it back to normal. Also, lost $100 profit I had built into that deal (offset with winning a 2BTC bet that BFL wouldn't meet Sept. deadline for July 6 Jallys).

All because of some bug, still being a worm.  

Now its getting exciting!

GB team,

 Thank you for putting this all together. I really cant thank you guys enough for doing these group buys. I know its taxing on you guys to do these and you will have to make some changes in the future. But just think of all the people you might have saved from possibly giving money to some bad people. I think most of us here have had our not so pleasant experiences. Even when I was getting frustrated during the roll out of R10 It was a million times better than the experience I had with a company I would like to pull the wings off of.

Keep your head up Bobsag3 your doing great. I'm sure it seems all the pressure is on you but dont forget to eat, sleep and drink. Ok, only drink a little.

Best of luck to all of us!

And thanks again.

M

Great job guys

We can now watch the hashrate remotely here via the link below. Thank you Thomas!

http://www.dzminercoop.com/?page_id=302

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Also, all rounds have now been combined for easier accounting and as a bonus to Round 11 and 12 customers. 

This doesn't effect Round 9 and 10 Group Buyer payouts in any way, but it does allow Round 11 and 12 paid customers earlier hashrate access!



bobsag3: needs his own forum meme as Good Guy Bobsag3.

Thanks! We're really trying our best for everyone in the co-op. We're different in that we attempt to be as open, honest, and transparent as possible with the co-op's issues and updates (That and we highly encourage direct representative democracy and voting on major issues in this co-op).

I def. know what it feels like to be an ASIC pre-order customer being kept in the dark like a mushroom being fed BS. At least, this way, we're all getting to see how rough a Bullet Run launch can be with the best of intentions; we're essentially all getting to see how "sausage" gets made. I should have some more pics shortly, but I'm taking a little break before posting them.

I just checked PMs. R12 is definitely SOLD OUT.

If R12 is oversold, bobsag3 will be running it in an unofficial R13 that is not for sale (meant only for oversales). R13 will only come online once R9-12 are fully up to speed. He needs the pause to get R9-12 up to speed and to catch his breath.

Thank you everyone for making the Black Arrow Fundraising for Rounds 9-12 a huge success!

I'm seeing some very good 'customer service' and behind-the-scenes work going on according to DZ's updates. I'd like to give the team compliments for being so quick to dedicate extra boards, hard working and communicative about what's going on. GJ.

Also, in case you are stressing out, don't :p.

Thanks for putting a forum name to the order! Thank you and welcome aboard!

We'll def. have dashboards running, but please give us some time. Our priority is getting everything hashing first as quickly as possible before we do all the fun, extra stuff.

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I need Thomas to confirm numbers but I believe we're down to 15 shares available.

Gents and ladies, a Saturday, 11/2 update:

- Bob's been having problems chaining the miners beyond a certain point which has limited his ability to stack miners as he only has so many Pis to go around. He seems to have gotten past much of the earlier issues but can't stack more than 6 at the moment (the goal was 10 boards per Pi)
- He's blown a few Pis and a couple of PSUs during his testing.
- He's currently up to almost 1 TH (our target is 3.2 - 4 TH, combined from all 4 Rounds
- He's currently short Pis due to them failing,and his overnight shipment of a bunch of extras from Amazon is stuck at UPS till Monday
- We've learned a lot too: Bullet Runs can be messy, best to have waaay more supplies than you think you needed

- Because I promised optimistically that the boards would be running by now, we're going to make up the hashrate difference based on the following schedule:

Rounds 9/10 should be up to 1TH today, the target is 1.68 - 2TH/s: This pool has just started mining, but there's no dashboards set up yet. When mining deposits appear they're heading to this Black Arrow Bullet Run wallet address: https://blockchain.info/address/1JazVMG7E47ceaTnwbGzeGsrAQeURniwZV

For calculation purposes - Since yesterday, Nov.1, for daily coins expected to be mined I'll be using www.bitcoinx.com as a calculator for lost hashrate compensation calculations unless someone else has a better suggestion.

Rounds 11/12 should be running by the end of the day in Missouri by Monday evening: If hashrate is less than the promised 1.68 TH/s for R11/12 by Tuesday morning, then the same calculations listed above for lost hashrate calculations still apply.


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We'd rather take a small hit and keep our co-op members happy, then to have upset co-op members due to the delays. With this in mind, Bobsag3 is adding 3 extra boards per GB (instead of 1 extra) in order to improve hashrate and make up for lost mining power for each Group Buy Round.

If this extra hashrate still doesn't compensate for lost time/hashrate at the end of the mining period, then bobsag3 and the DZ MC will be compensating you directly.

Ive bought 2, but if someone can provide some feed back, I might buy more if it's good =)

So how are these performing currently for older group buys? U guys getting at least 8 ghs for each share?

yes, I bought 10 shares as a trial run.
I'm assuming we can see the machines hash once they're up and running? You may have covered this before, there's just a few threads.
Regards,
Brian

a.k.a. Magiklair on DZ miners coop.

Thanks for the response...much appreciated.  I'm pretty new to buying GHS - anyway we can see how the miners are hashing, like online? How frequently are the payments made?  I'm pretty noob..if all of this is in a FAQ somewhere...can someone just point me in the right direction? 

Correction: 29 shares are available at the moment.

PM sent to thomas_s

Within 10% out of box w/out any software tweaks.

Sorry if that wasn't clear in the good news/bad news update a few posts up. In my defense, I'm under heavy antibiotics and dealing w/ a sinus infection, so I might not be Englishing the best right now.

Since he's the official BA US Reseller, he has extra boards. For underperformance: he'll add a 21st board to the chain in order to get to that minimum 8.34 GH/s hashrate. He's not going to leave you out to dry. We're not you-know-who: those two companies which shouldn't be spoken of IMO.  

He was getting within 10% of the advertised rate with his latest update.

A good sized shipment of Pis are also due in today and is out for delivery.

So are these miners performing at 8 GHS and not 10 GHS? How will we be compensated?

Very nice . How is the performance?

Edit: Never mind, just read the R11 thread.

Hi stex2009, please see post 2 of any of my Rounds for payment info. We offer a variety of options that a lot of GBCs don't offer.

We take USD but under certain conditions. A service we can recommend is www.cashintocoins, if you're in the US.

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Latest pics:

Unboxing
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/SurfSkateKauai/c6c0691a-6c27-4ead-8647-2da4b9a91778.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/SurfSkateKauai/f41e6ac6-274e-42af-b4ca-e2fdcf56d3b6.jpg

chainminer screenshot, 96 chips: http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/SurfSkateKauai/96chips1.png

6 board stack, working: https://www.dropbox.com/s/r77umsa7eoo7x58/Photo%20Nov%2001%2C%202%2003%2000%20PM.jpg
chainminer screenshot from this stack (slight under performance which should be improved by native chainminer support): http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/SurfSkateKauai/ScreenShot2013-11-01at15835PM.png

I realized that I'm a little bummed that they're underperforming, but sometimes things don't always work out with initial implementations. But on the bright side this was guaranteed to be shipping by Nov. 1 and we're fortunate to have already received it! kano has been shipped a simultaneous shipment so he'll hopefully be able to tweak some improvements while he adds native BA support to chainminer.

Group Buyers are going to be compensated for any under performance of the 8.34 GH/s mark per share that was promised.

Can one pay with USD ?

Awesome! Welcome back!

I have an update: some good news, bad news.

Bad: He's still working out the chaining of the miners. This is important because he only has so many Pis. We're also seeing a little under performance as far as hashrate but kano is working on the cgminer chainminer integration so we should see improvements on that. Such is life on the bleeding edge of a bullet run.

Good: Since bobsag3 is basically Good Guy Bob he's going to make sure that to add a board to our 20 board stack to get our min. hashrate to 8.34GH/s as promised while software issues are worked on. He also managed to stack 6 boards, so far, even with the issues he's seeing.

Bobsag's busy as heck but I'll post some pics he shared with me as soon as I upload them to my cloud photos.

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Also: 26 shares available.


There will be a pause before R13 so that we can let bobsag3 get caught up so that R9-12 are taken care of properly.

two more for me to bring it up to 14 total.

https://blockchain.info/tx/e072ab276254f1ed86f7ef11774fc217bb44bb21d2df34e80f42b61ef274da2c


Same payout as the R9 and R10 in the spreadsheet.

R13 will not start directly after R12 is over, there will be a small time period in between R12 closing and R13 opening.

32 shares are left in R12.

If we oversell, don't worry, we'll fit you into an R13, if necessary. 

That fee is for an exchange of your share or shares to another person, where the new person pays the exchange fee (since we can't force the orig. buyer to send us BTC if they bailed with the buy out funds). Hopefully, the new buyer won't be blindsided by this fact, as that's not right to sell a share without giving them this info.

We're GB Coordinators, we're not an exchange, and to handle tons of exchange requests doesn't add any value to the GB that we work hard to build, and  would slow us down from our primary goal of providing some of the world's best values to as many people as we can.

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As for pre-orders, we offer refunds at a 1.5% restock fee up until the hardware ships.

Yes you can pay in Bitcoins.

We do allow you to sell your shares to other users if you really wanted to but they purchaser would need to pay a 0.75% fee for the exchange.



I'm working on orders now so if you entered everything correctly you'll see it change to completed, if not you'll get an email asking for whatever is missing. Both of these means your on a spreadsheet.

Can I buy using bitcoins? Well this is interesting. Also can I sell the shares back?

Excellent, it looks like it is processing! Thank you very much!

As long as your order changed from Oh-hold to processing, it should be fine. I believe they have to 'complete' the order manually.

My transaction has 82 confirmations but I haven't received an email saying that my order is complete.  Can I get an acknowledgement that my payment was received? I'm sure the past few days have been a bit crazy with equipment arriving and multiple GB's filling up and I just want to make sure that everything is in order.  Thanks.

He's busy getting them up and running =) they will more than likely be all brought online tomorrow as tweaking  needs to be done to keep them stable.

aka

He's playing with his new shinies

I sent .61xxx btc

1 share order #393.   I have 11 shares in 9-10-11-12


tx id

https://blockchain.info/tx/4d7037424a5041d51d8e00af4e35de92b7443739d0aa249bfda7fb7cd7a4ea0c



https://blockchain.info/address/1Fo2K52Rz7LZw9fcF5BDdDBjfNaViQ8J3x



confirms are very slow tonite  must be halloween

Thanks guys. Welcome back!

Hey high110. Thanks and welcome aboard!

These boards should be in tomorrow for R11/12. We had expected all rounds to arrive at the same time but they had to break it up in order to ship to us faster and not delay the entire shipment an extra day.

In other words: Black Arrow was looking out for us by doing it this way. This seems to be a recurring pattern from what I've seen so far from this particular company.

I had heard from bobsag3 that the shipment arrived today for R9/10. I haven't seen him online much which is rare   So I know that he must be being a busy bee with other fellow nerds.  

Thanks Bob! Chug chug chug away, my man.

Thanks for the info - i just purchased 2...hope it's closer to the 30 GHs...

Bah, I'm just .1 short, and that's the amount I lost gambling the other day, lol.

He said R11 was arriving today with R10 I thought.

Can I confirm when you are receiving R11?

I'll definitely take 1 if we get to wait for our R6 payouts. Hehe.

I need some coins I was going to stay at 10 shares across 9-10-11 ,

 but I am thinking of 2 more.

 I need the r5-r6 dividends to post  are they posting tonight?  or on nov 1st?  I get 19 shares of  about .123btc or close to 2.337 btc.

 2 shares of this is around 1.2 btc.

I just picked up another share.

Order #385

Tr Id- cfb764d7ebce80de23c6546e037b377c08f6eaa07f7b2cfa2456e401083b3ef6

Payout address- 1DAXoynA9hMQ1fY6nPeBCA2YnmLjptaaev

Is there a list of who is in what round?  Not that it really matters, but it would be cool to know.

I'm told the R9 and R10 boards are already at our colo site!

"Boxes and Boxes..."

R11-12 boards are about 12 hours behind.

This round is now open.

In fact: this 4th BA Round is already halfway sold out. 

50 shares available.*

* Oversales will be moved to a R13, if necessary.

Round 12 Payment Details (Similar to R7-R11, for the most part)

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R12 Orders should be placed here: http://www.dzminercoop.com/?p=379

BTC Payments will be directed to thomas_s via our site for R12 but I will have co-admin to this wallet for auditing or for payments if we're in a rush. We've worked together on 8 different Group Buys with great success including 2 of the fastest GB sellouts in the forum's history for Industrial class Rigs.

For US Customers: for a 3%  fee for USD conversion to BTC, we recommend: www.cashintocoins.com a FinCen compliant MSB who can get BTC sent to the wallet address you want in as little as 15 minutes to an hour.

For Intl. Customers: We are still exploring suggestions for inexpensive BTC conversion but I can recommend www.bitstamp.net at this time as that's the exchange rate used by our payment processor.

PayPal payments (UPDATE): If payment is being made by Paypal place an order on the site and place a note on the order when you place it saying you're paying by paypal...then give whoever you are buying BTC from the order # and the payment address. Please make sure to send it as a gift to "friends and family." This helps keep your share prices as low as possible (no PP fees) and well as protects us against illegal chargebacks after BTC deposits have already been paid out in November. Sorry, this is no longer available. This payment method is "sold out."

If there's any concerns about registering your payment, please follow up with a PM to Thomas or a support ticket. There's two methods to resolve this:

A. Send a support ticket on our website www.dzminercoop.com

OR

B: PM to thomas_s on this site

Subject: DZ HF GB R12, x shares, x BTC
Details: Please include Tx ID, your wallet address for payout, and any concerns you may have about your transaction(s)

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thomas_s -  Primary GBC for Rounds 5-10. Co-GBC during R3-R7. R2 member. Send BTC payments and questions for R12 to thomas_s . Set up Online Auto Reservations for the co-op!

DZ - Need escrowed Group Buy shares? For a 2% extra fee you get 3rd party fund holding, dispute resolution, and $500 insurance per transaction at BTCrow. [DISCLAIMER: I, DyslexicZombei, am an approved Escrow Affiliate at BTCrow.] Please PM Carbon Copy thomas_s please prior to escrow payment.



NEW! 10/18 UPDATE from Thomas:

"Bobsag3 will be accepting wire transfers (for 20+ shares) and chase quick pay (any quantity of shares). and credit cards by Square https://squareup.com/market/miner-hosting-llc/share-r-bitfury-gh-s-min-ups-backup

10/21 Update: Square decided apple bobbing is better than providing service to their customers because Bitcoin = Scary = Eating Square's lunch. They'd rather be run over by the BTC train instead of hopping on to take advantage of a much cheaper remittance infrastructure.

CC payments are currently suspended; we're working on something more long term. Fortunately, Thomas S. works in finance.

Thomas_s will be accepting TD bank and CitiBank (USA) checks (any quantity of shares). At this time no other banks checks are being accepted.

*These payment options are only available for Rounds that don't need BTC conversions. (At the moment the only open Round(s) are 8 and 11)

I've also located the reason for the zombie rounds...apparently there is a bug in the site where it reduces the stock when the order is placed and when it is paid.

The updates on the forum were going by what the site displayed which was effectively doubling what was actually sold so that's where those shares magically popped up from"

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Thomas is handling questions and collecting payments for R12 via our site (unless you require Escrow, in which case you can PM me). He set up the automated reservation site and the GB with my input. Great work Thomas, and it's definitely an improvement over me trying to keep up w/ an avalanche of PMs and payments.  

I will still handle or assist in:

- Ordering
- Shipping details
- (Optional) Escrowed GB shares for those that insist on Escrow Protection from a 3rd party for: holding BTC funds, post-sales dispute resolution, $500 insurance per transaction at 2% extra cost to share price. Semi-automated Escrow is done thru BTCrow.
- Remote miner setup
- Remote troubleshooting/
- Incremental overclocking
- Payouts or assist in payouts
- Auditing hashrate vis-a-vis payouts
- Dispute resolution and arbitration, if necessary. [Should be rare as we're all adults that don't need to yell. ]

Refunds: If we can't raise the funds to buy the full 800GH/s, we'll just order smaller modules with less hashrate. Refunds are discouraged because of the chaos caused in Group Buys, but if necessary, you will be refunded before the miner ships, at a 1.5% restock fee. After the miner ships, no refunds are available.

By sending payment, you agree to these Refund terms before purchase.


NEW (10/21) Share Ownership Transfer Fee: There is now a 0.75% Ownership transfer fee if you're buying someone else's DZ MC co-op shares. We put a ton of time, money, and BTC to offer the GB community many of the world's best at-cost and below-cost deals. Refunds and share transfers cause chaos and extra work for us.

This 0.75% share transfer fee *MUST* by paid by the new owner before we will transfer share ownership.

At cex.io on 10/30 PM, 1GH = 0.1 BTC. Therefore: 1 BTC or about $200 (at BTC rates of $200) equals 10 GH/s there.

In this GB, $123 yields you the *same* hashrate which will be hashing by November 1 at about 39% cheaper than cex.io!

We also price our shares in USD so you don't get screwed over by BTC volatility.

We are also using Bitfury chips, so it's not like their 39% more expensive 10 GH/s boards are better than one of our 10 GH/s boards.