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Topic: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ - page 6. (Read 35044 times)

donator
Activity: 335
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Bitcoin, Ripple & Blockchain pioneer
Do you really think vescudero is going to return all your deposits?

Make your escrowed bet for or against his default and win a lot of Bitcoins!!  http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671

Please take your bets with you out of this thread.
hero member
Activity: 868
Merit: 1000
Do you really think vescudero is going to return all your deposits?

Make your escrowed bet for or against his default and win a lot of Bitcoins!!  http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671

Account registered just 8 hours ago, just 7 posts in and is already betting 299 BTC on vescudero paying out. Clearly a shill.

Well, at least he gives the non-believers a way to put their money where their mouth is.




I got a PM spam about it too, despite never having posted in Vescudero's thread.
legendary
Activity: 826
Merit: 1001
rippleFanatic
Do you really think vescudero is going to return all your deposits?

Make your escrowed bet for or against his default and win a lot of Bitcoins!!  http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671

Account registered just 8 hours ago, just 7 posts in and is already betting 299 BTC on vescudero paying out. Clearly a shill.

Well, at least he gives the non-believers a way to put their money where their mouth is.

Yea, I got this PM too (addressed to "Hi Gavin")

Vescudero's scheme has only been operating since late June (and at that time he was still competing with pirate). For a ponzi that short, it would be very easy for him to pay everyone back with interest, and try to make some profits from this little bet. Then re-open later, after proving "not a ponzi" to everyone the first time.
donator
Activity: 289
Merit: 250
Do you really think vescudero is going to return all your deposits?

Make your escrowed bet for or against his default and win a lot of Bitcoins!!  http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671

Account registered just 8 hours ago, just 7 posts in and is already betting 299 BTC on vescudero paying out. Clearly a shill.

Well, at least he gives the non-believers a way to put their money where their mouth is.

420
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 500
Do you really think vescudero is going to return all your deposits?

Make your escrowed bet for or against his default and win a lot of Bitcoins!!  http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671

Someone sure thinks so
newbie
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Merit: 0
Do you really think vescudero is going to return all your deposits?

Make your escrowed bet for or against his default and win a lot of Bitcoins!!  http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
OK. Send my deposit back when you close up shop. Keep up the good work, Victor.
donator
Activity: 335
Merit: 250
Bitcoin, Ripple & Blockchain pioneer
Hello,

I would like inform all of you in advance of the closing of this deposit by the end of this month.

Since the very beginning my deposit has been a very successful operation because of you, my investors. I would like to thank everyone of you, so an operation like this had not been possible without your trust.

After careful consideration, I have decided to close my deposit in order for me to make up part of the free time I used to have in the past.

I know you might be worried thinking about the future of your bitcoins. I can give you my word, that I will return all your coins back with due interests.

Stay tuned.
Victor Escudero
sr. member
Activity: 445
Merit: 250
My requested withdrawal was handled on time as well as all the interest payments while I had BTC deposited.

Thanks very much
I've had the same experience.

Thanks,
full member
Activity: 180
Merit: 100
My requested withdrawal was handled on time as well as all the interest payments while I had BTC deposited.

Thanks very much
legendary
Activity: 910
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★YoBit.Net★ 350+ Coins Exchange & Dice
was able to withdraw all my BTCs with no issues at all Smiley

Thanks again Victor
zyk
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On the side note, although Matthew scammed many people with his "bet", he didn't receive one satoshi out of it, so the damages are limited. But discussing this would be clearly off-topic here.
I didn't receive one Satoshi from Pirate's scam, does it follow that the damages are limited? Yes, Matthew made no profit from the damage he did. How does that show the damages are limited?

deliberately mis-managing another human's expectations about money makes a negative emotional impact on the victims.  This is what Matt did, this is what Pirate did, this is what Vescudero is doing.   Mis-managing expectations of many others in order for himself to profit greatly.

This is all too right.....and even formulated way to softly, how damaging it is for community spirit and the wherewithall of Bitcon !

But : To remind you of the late Sir Alan Greenspan : Bubbles ( ponzis ) are not recognizable in advance, they got to be cleaned up afterwards !

Of course in FIAT world this is a blatant lie, but it applies to bitcoin.

Where are the efforts of the great Moderators of this forum to put scammer - tags on the PPT -operators, who are still "mismanaging human´s expectations"

helping to hide the ill - gotten interest of the ponzi -scams ?  May I deduce that everybody watches out for the next one?...the same as false accusations have

no consequences and are greeted as evidence.....even if its just based on the limited ability to percieve the facts and the inability of nearly all the Super - Egos

to backpaddle, when getting their head handed back to them.

And so, as i love to put perceptions in the realm of reality, nobody is perfect Wink, would you mind, Sir Micon, to put up for otoh´s bet ?

Vescudero was (is) a useful service for me, as I earned his weekly interest in 15 min. after I took out a loan.

Thought of you as a bastion of honor or is your "justice" the last air-bag protecting the heroscammers of legitimate competition ?

Thanks Zyk

P.S. As long as i can´t see the same clean- up efforts  made to prosecute the big profiteers as have been shown for MNW......

bitcoin.org is a typical case of frying the small - fish and let the bigo(tt)nes going on scott -free.....

legendary
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FPV Drone Pilot
On the side note, although Matthew scammed many people with his "bet", he didn't receive one satoshi out of it, so the damages are limited. But discussing this would be clearly off-topic here.
I didn't receive one Satoshi from Pirate's scam, does it follow that the damages are limited? Yes, Matthew made no profit from the damage he did. How does that show the damages are limited?

deliberately mis-managing another human's expectations about money makes a negative emotional impact on the victims.  This is what Matt did, this is what Pirate did, this is what Vescudero is doing.   Mis-managing expectations of many others in order for himself to profit greatly.
legendary
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Merit: 1012
Democracy is vulnerable to a 51% attack.
On the side note, although Matthew scammed many people with his "bet", he didn't receive one satoshi out of it, so the damages are limited. But discussing this would be clearly off-topic here.
I didn't receive one Satoshi from Pirate's scam, does it follow that the damages are limited? Yes, Matthew made no profit from the damage he did. How does that show the damages are limited?
sr. member
Activity: 471
Merit: 252
Admittedly, Im not familiar with CAcert, so I dont know how strong proof that is. The link doesnt mean anything to me, perhaps you can elaborate on that? Other than that, there is nothing that proves his ID.

Go back in the thread, and you'll also find someone who checked his ID in person at a Spanish bitcoin meeting, as well as links to a colloquium where he spoke, with pictures and all.

P4man, those words are about me. I saw vescudero ID card issued by Spanish state and his driver license. He saw mine too. As you already know I'm identified in bitmit and you bought some pendrives from me.

We can discuss about this is a good business model or not, all of these stuff are just guessing. But, for me, otoh, and many others bitcoiners in Spain, vescudero is the person he says to be.
zyk
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 101
Food for thought: do you know who MNW is?

I know his name. And I also know he thinks he is out of touch because he apparently lives somewhere in South Korea. Spain and the USA are hardly comparable in terms of reachability.

On the side note, although Matthew scammed many people with his "bet", he didn't receive one satoshi out of it, so the damages are limited. But discussing this would be clearly off-topic here.
I will repeat myself nonetheless. If I break your window, I don't receive one satoshi from it.

lol why is anyone pissed?

everyone knew he wasn't going to pay up.
no one lost money.
and he got the scammer tag.

probably a lot of people's bets were for 10 times more bitcoin then they actually had, you know just for the off chance that MWN is retarded and did pay out.
I bet (heh) that people did lose money.

1. Investor notices the bet thread
2. Investor notices TYGRR-BOND-P is trading at 0.1 BTC
3. Investor buys 1 share
4. Investor bets 1 BTC
5. MNW exposes the "loophole"
6. Investor is forced to sell his share again, at a loss of 0.04 BTC.

Just because MNW didn't gain doesn't mean others didn't lose. If I break your window, neither of us gain. I'd still be an asshole though, especially if there's no recourse you have against me.

Has this any implications to the topic of this thread?

Is MNW CArated ?

Is Victor the perpetrator of TYGRR-BOND-P ?

Are you able to call a duck a duck?

Please let me in

Thanks Zyk
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1000
0xFB0D8D1534241423
Food for thought: do you know who MNW is?

I know his name. And I also know he thinks he is out of touch because he apparently lives somewhere in South Korea. Spain and the USA are hardly comparable in terms of reachability.

On the side note, although Matthew scammed many people with his "bet", he didn't receive one satoshi out of it, so the damages are limited. But discussing this would be clearly off-topic here.
I will repeat myself nonetheless. If I break your window, I don't receive one satoshi from it.

lol why is anyone pissed?

everyone knew he wasn't going to pay up.
no one lost money.
and he got the scammer tag.

probably a lot of people's bets were for 10 times more bitcoin then they actually had, you know just for the off chance that MWN is retarded and did pay out.
I bet (heh) that people did lose money.

1. Investor notices the bet thread
2. Investor notices TYGRR-BOND-P is trading at 0.1 BTC
3. Investor buys 1 share
4. Investor bets 1 BTC
5. MNW exposes the "loophole"
6. Investor is forced to sell his share again, at a loss of 0.04 BTC.

Just because MNW didn't gain doesn't mean others didn't lose. If I break your window, neither of us gain. I'd still be an asshole though, especially if there's no recourse you have against me.
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
Food for thought: do you know who MNW is?

I know his name. And I also know he thinks he is out of touch because he apparently lives somewhere in South Korea. Spain and the USA are hardly comparable in terms of reachability.

On the side note, although Matthew scammed many people with his "bet", he didn't receive one satoshi out of it, so the damages are limited. But discussing this would be clearly off-topic here.
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1000
0xFB0D8D1534241423
Admittedly, Im not familiar with CAcert, so I dont know how strong proof that is. The link doesnt mean anything to me, perhaps you can elaborate on that? Other than that, there is nothing that proves his ID.

See http://wiki.cacert.org/FAQ/AssuranceByCAP if that helps you understand how it works. You can also follow the links, and see that an assurer must go through a more thorough ID verification than regular people, as he needs to get more points by more assurers.

Go back in the thread, and you'll also find someone who checked his ID in person at a Spanish bitcoin meeting, as well as links to a colloquium where he spoke, with pictures and all. The PGP key he uses is 18 months old and is signed (which implies photo id verification too) by prominent free software developers, faculty staff, etc.

Except by meeting him in real life and checking his id myself, I could not be more convinced than I currently am that Victor is who he says he is!
Food for thought: do you know who MNW is?
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
Admittedly, Im not familiar with CAcert, so I dont know how strong proof that is. The link doesnt mean anything to me, perhaps you can elaborate on that? Other than that, there is nothing that proves his ID.

See http://wiki.cacert.org/FAQ/AssuranceByCAP if that helps you understand how it works. You can also follow the links, and see that an assurer must go through a more thorough ID verification than regular people, as he needs to get more points by more assurers.

Go back in the thread, and you'll also find someone who checked his ID in person at a Spanish bitcoin meeting, as well as links to a colloquium where he spoke, with pictures and all. The PGP key he uses is 18 months old and is signed (which implies photo id verification too) by prominent free software developers, faculty staff, etc.

Except by meeting him in real life and checking his id myself, I could not be more convinced than I currently am that Victor is who he says he is!
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